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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns:  "Or a promotion of the national sports at their most important level no matter what the attendance is. A county final is the supreme competition in the GAA.

A hacked up rugby competition of clubs in four countries of Europe is not in the same league"
Is there anything to be said for setting up a flying column in case the Tans come back? This paranoia is contagious!
The failure of Leitrim Gaa to play in Croke Park on a regular basis is their own fault. Nothing to do with rugby or any other sport.

ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 174 - 22/01/2025 18:18:36    2587019

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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns:  "Or a promotion of the national sports at their most important level no matter what the attendance is. A county final is the supreme competition in the GAA.

A hacked up rugby competition of clubs in four countries of Europe is not in the same league"
It is but what county would want their county final moved to croker

The Galway hurling final in athenry was amazing this year moving it to croker would be height of stupidity

You would probably be complaining when super 8 games are played in croker instead of having them in regional towns getting much needed income to those towns

Would you like your championship games in Connacht moved to croker?

This game is not stopping counties playing in croker either.

On a separate note why is the Aviva not been used out of interest? Hard to see a last 16 game that will prob be one sided in a European competition thats lost its luster in recent years doing 50k plus

Far more then 4 countries play in the hacked up competition but I doubt facts are of much interest to you.

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1370 - 22/01/2025 18:37:13    2587027

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Replying To Kew:  "The game has been confirmed. So Leinster will have played more in croke park in 12 months then any county outside Dublin? We have new Zealanders and south Africans playing in croke park more than any Leitrim footballer has in their careers. GAA has lost its way"
Gaa hasn't lost its way and you can't make a criticism of leinster rugby but the structures of gaa competitions etc if some counties haven't played in national stadium in a very long time

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3731 - 22/01/2025 18:48:00    2587028

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Replying To Viking66:  "And I thought there wasn't much Rugby up in Leitrim? Guess I was wrong. It must be taking over altogether up your way to have him that paranoid!"
It hasn't, and long may that continue

boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 150 - 22/01/2025 19:20:08    2587030

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Replying To Square_B:  "LOL my god this is completely ridiculous stuff. Rugby has been played in Croke Park on and off since 2007 and now apparently rugby is 'devaluing' kids dreams of playing in Croke Park. Wow. What decade are you living in? You might want to start closer to home if that's the case... is Dublin devaluing Croke Park because they play all their home games there? You're definitely very insecure about the GAA. Christ on a bike."
Dublin do devalue Croke Park by playing their league games there, that is a separate issue

The minute rugby was allowed to be played in CP it devalued it as a stadium.

Not insecure about the gaa at all, just don't think it is being well run at all at the top at the moment.

boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 150 - 22/01/2025 19:24:19    2587031

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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns:  "Dublin do devalue Croke Park by playing their league games there, that is a separate issue

The minute rugby was allowed to be played in CP it devalued it as a stadium.

Not insecure about the gaa at all, just don't think it is being well run at all at the top at the moment."
This nonsensical idea that Croke Park should be some sort of place reserved only for the use of GAA players belongs to days of the past.... it's nothing but pure protectionism ideology. The GAA has absolutely nothing to fear from other sports using Croke Park. Other sports are charged well for the use of Croke Park and it makes complete commercial sense to do so (unless you believe in magic money trees or what not). And as you well know, most of that money is reinvested in the grassroots of the GAA. I cannot for the life of me understand why GAA people are worried about what other sports are up to. The world will not end because we rent out a stadium to another sporting body when we have no games on ourselves!

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1174 - 23/01/2025 07:52:02    2587074

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The customary inaccurate/incomplete RTE sports reporting this morning . Dez Cahill reporting that Man City need to win their last CL game 'to have a chance' of qualification. In fact, City are guaranteed progression with a win.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3992 - 23/01/2025 10:51:48    2587092

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Replying To Square_B:  "This nonsensical idea that Croke Park should be some sort of place reserved only for the use of GAA players belongs to days of the past.... it's nothing but pure protectionism ideology. The GAA has absolutely nothing to fear from other sports using Croke Park. Other sports are charged well for the use of Croke Park and it makes complete commercial sense to do so (unless you believe in magic money trees or what not). And as you well know, most of that money is reinvested in the grassroots of the GAA. I cannot for the life of me understand why GAA people are worried about what other sports are up to. The world will not end because we rent out a stadium to another sporting body when we have no games on ourselves!"
Why would the world end ? Sports can end though and amateur sports losing crowds and interest can fall away very easily if they are allowing competitors to use their facilities. The GAA can't get casement part built in the second biggest city but rugby has a top of the range one built years ago no problem. It's grand for people like you in Leitrim where you have no competition and the GAA will fund facilitates in areas that won't be able field a team in years to come. No sport bends over for rugby like GAA. Look at the Leinster championship it's dead and now Leinster rugby have taken over croke park. The same rugby fans online complaining about money going to casement park demanding it don't go ahead will be in croke park watching leinster.

Kew (Galway) - Posts: 139 - 23/01/2025 19:03:24    2587211

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Replying To Kew:  "Why would the world end ? Sports can end though and amateur sports losing crowds and interest can fall away very easily if they are allowing competitors to use their facilities. The GAA can't get casement part built in the second biggest city but rugby has a top of the range one built years ago no problem. It's grand for people like you in Leitrim where you have no competition and the GAA will fund facilitates in areas that won't be able field a team in years to come. No sport bends over for rugby like GAA. Look at the Leinster championship it's dead and now Leinster rugby have taken over croke park. The same rugby fans online complaining about money going to casement park demanding it don't go ahead will be in croke park watching leinster."
Good God... a lot to unpack here.... not even sure why I'm replying to such nonsense but anyhow....

1. 'Sports can end though'.... Wow. What complete and utter nonsense. Utter alarmist nonsense. If attendances drop over the coming years that will not be anything to do with other sports. That's on the GAA.
2. The GAA could have refurbished Casement Park but no they decided to close it completely and let it go to rack & ruin. And now the cost of replacing it is in the order of 300million. Ravenhill cost 16.5million to refurbish / build which increased it's capacity to nearly 19k. I'm sure you're well aware the GAA want a stadium holding nearly 35k.
3. 'It's grand for people like you in Leitrim' Wow... we do play other sports in Leitrim ya know. There's a fairly vibrant rugby club in Carrick On-Shannon and a number of soccer clubs through the county. And prey tell what exact facilities are the GAA funding for our clubs in Leitrim?

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1174 - 23/01/2025 20:49:12    2587222

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "The customary inaccurate/incomplete RTE sports reporting this morning . Dez Cahill reporting that Man City need to win their last CL game 'to have a chance' of qualification. In fact, City are guaranteed progression with a win."
Are they ? if Zagreb were to win by 10 plus goals a win for city may not suffice so Des is 100% right in what he said.

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1370 - 23/01/2025 21:11:40    2587232

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Replying To Kew:  "The game has been confirmed. So Leinster will have played more in croke park in 12 months then any county outside Dublin? We have new Zealanders and south Africans playing in croke park more than any Leitrim footballer has in their careers. GAA has lost its way"
That leinster can only be a criticism of the gaa ma it's competition structures and competitions.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3731 - 26/01/2025 17:40:27    2587730

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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns:  "There's no talking to some posters here, they can't see how damaging this road is to the GAA in the long term as an ethos.

If the goal of young kids is to play in our most famous GAA stadiums, then that dream is completely devalued when other sports are allowed in no matter what money they are giving to rent those stadiums for the pleasure"
You should say that to people in many other countries where multiple sports share grounds all the time and it doesn't hurt the various sports.
Nothing is devalued by leinster or any other rugby or any other sports playing in crokw park

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3731 - 26/01/2025 17:42:28    2587733

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Replying To jm25:  "It is but what county would want their county final moved to croker

The Galway hurling final in athenry was amazing this year moving it to croker would be height of stupidity

You would probably be complaining when super 8 games are played in croker instead of having them in regional towns getting much needed income to those towns

Would you like your championship games in Connacht moved to croker?

This game is not stopping counties playing in croker either.

On a separate note why is the Aviva not been used out of interest? Hard to see a last 16 game that will prob be one sided in a European competition thats lost its luster in recent years doing 50k plus

Far more then 4 countries play in the hacked up competition but I doubt facts are of much interest to you."
Aviva not in use as works needed to be completed ahead of another busy period and no other down time for it

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3731 - 26/01/2025 17:45:17    2587734

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The GAA does tremendous work for youths. Especially volunteers at local level. Let me repeat that in case it is missed. "Volunteers at local level". Not saying other sports don't. However the GAA has to be receptive to criticism for its own good so they are kept honest and they don't start to smell themselves. Especially at executive level. This level is necessary also in this day and age to maintain, grow, promote, administer funds etc. to exist and be relevant in this new world. So they to, deserve accolades and also criticism. So marrying our traditional values with modern needs is what is required.
The recent move to charge for kids to view our county games is short sighted and going to damage future growth. I grew up in a parish where a life time volunteer, supporter and patriarch (R.I.P.) would carry one kid on the bar of his bike to matches and one on the carrier. When he got his first car he then stuffed 12 kids in for matches. Wen he retired took his small pension to buy a mower for the new field attained. His grandson is now a household name playing the game because of him. The point ? The importance of maintaining the values of the past to maintain the links to the future. There is always examples. Is it good policy to have Viking need to make choices about bringing his kids to games? In my opinion it is short sightedness. Maybe while he is gone to a match they will wander down the road and into the arms of another sport.
I worry about the suits having any interest in looking in the rear view mirror to make sure not to get run over going forward.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2970 - 30/01/2025 21:30:45    2588551

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Replying To Canuck:  "The GAA does tremendous work for youths. Especially volunteers at local level. Let me repeat that in case it is missed. "Volunteers at local level". Not saying other sports don't. However the GAA has to be receptive to criticism for its own good so they are kept honest and they don't start to smell themselves. Especially at executive level. This level is necessary also in this day and age to maintain, grow, promote, administer funds etc. to exist and be relevant in this new world. So they to, deserve accolades and also criticism. So marrying our traditional values with modern needs is what is required.
The recent move to charge for kids to view our county games is short sighted and going to damage future growth. I grew up in a parish where a life time volunteer, supporter and patriarch (R.I.P.) would carry one kid on the bar of his bike to matches and one on the carrier. When he got his first car he then stuffed 12 kids in for matches. Wen he retired took his small pension to buy a mower for the new field attained. His grandson is now a household name playing the game because of him. The point ? The importance of maintaining the values of the past to maintain the links to the future. There is always examples. Is it good policy to have Viking need to make choices about bringing his kids to games? In my opinion it is short sightedness. Maybe while he is gone to a match they will wander down the road and into the arms of another sport.
I worry about the suits having any interest in looking in the rear view mirror to make sure not to get run over going forward."
I made my choice and bought the tickets before Xmas. I got a League package for 90 euro, but there was no such thing for the kids so their tickets cost 120 euro. More than mine. Not happy at all Canuck tbh.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15033 - 30/01/2025 22:16:06    2588554

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Replying To Canuck:  "The GAA does tremendous work for youths. Especially volunteers at local level. Let me repeat that in case it is missed. "Volunteers at local level". Not saying other sports don't. However the GAA has to be receptive to criticism for its own good so they are kept honest and they don't start to smell themselves. Especially at executive level. This level is necessary also in this day and age to maintain, grow, promote, administer funds etc. to exist and be relevant in this new world. So they to, deserve accolades and also criticism. So marrying our traditional values with modern needs is what is required.
The recent move to charge for kids to view our county games is short sighted and going to damage future growth. I grew up in a parish where a life time volunteer, supporter and patriarch (R.I.P.) would carry one kid on the bar of his bike to matches and one on the carrier. When he got his first car he then stuffed 12 kids in for matches. Wen he retired took his small pension to buy a mower for the new field attained. His grandson is now a household name playing the game because of him. The point ? The importance of maintaining the values of the past to maintain the links to the future. There is always examples. Is it good policy to have Viking need to make choices about bringing his kids to games? In my opinion it is short sightedness. Maybe while he is gone to a match they will wander down the road and into the arms of another sport.
I worry about the suits having any interest in looking in the rear view mirror to make sure not to get run over going forward."
The 'suits' as you rightly say Canuck have no interest in the grassroots of the game… all their emphasis is on finances and how to squeeze the last drop out of ordinary volunteers… There is no way people should have to choose not to bring their kids to GAA games because of nonsensical extra costs imposed by the suits….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3526 - 30/01/2025 22:16:24    2588555

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If GAA can bend over backwards to facilitate rugby and religious ceremonies and what not then they can allow children who play the game free access to games. End of.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3427 - 31/01/2025 10:51:10    2588599

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The 'suits' as you rightly say Canuck have no interest in the grassroots of the game… all their emphasis is on finances and how to squeeze the last drop out of ordinary volunteers… There is no way people should have to choose not to bring their kids to GAA games because of nonsensical extra costs imposed by the suits…."
The b.s. story about safety is an insult to our intelligence. Maybe they want to stop the kids going to the local field to play without supervision. At least be honest about it. MONEY GRAB. Save it by eliminating some of the full time gravy jobs. There are about 5 different ways this could have been addressed if a concern.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2970 - 31/01/2025 20:51:09    2588692

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FAI are wiping our eye when it comes to attracting kids. Free into cup final. Every Dublin LOI team gets bigger numbers at games now partly through concessions.

They won't have commentators waxing lyrical over dozens of kids with hurls at half time because they won't be there.

If they're making money through renting our places then our members shoukd benefit.

CLG was never meant to be a company.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3427 - 31/01/2025 23:13:45    2588711

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Replying To Canuck:  "The b.s. story about safety is an insult to our intelligence. Maybe they want to stop the kids going to the local field to play without supervision. At least be honest about it. MONEY GRAB. Save it by eliminating some of the full time gravy jobs. There are about 5 different ways this could have been addressed if a concern."
It has nothing to do with safety…. they couldn't care less… It's simply all about trying to make up the financial drop because of the dramatic fall in attendance figures… How…? Charge those idiots fool enough to still attend for bringing their kids to games… and be rest assured, next season all ticket prices will increase too…. They will probably blame the war in Ukrainian, the storm or Trump getting elected as a reason…. The GAA are getting more like our numpty Government all the time… Just keep fooling the people….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3526 - 01/02/2025 08:52:35    2588733

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