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Replying To bad.monkey: " Replying To benched: "[quote=ormondbannerman: "What competition are they part of? What trophy is up for grabs?
benched (Tyrone) - Posts:291 - 01/06/2016 13:53:19 They are international tests. Full blooded affairs. Their games are one of the few tests Ireland play that don't have a trophy up for grabs. Like games against Argentina are for the Admiral Brown Cup, games against Australia are for the Lansdowne Cup, games against Scotland are played for the Centenary Quaich
A game doesn't have to be part of a competition to be very important.
A full rugby international game is a test game and is just like a full cricket test game, a senior soccer international etc etc and therefore are the highest level you can reach in the sport" Aah yeah the prestigious Admiral Brown Cup - how could I forget about that. Also the Centenary Quaich Cup - a tournament within a tournament what a quaint idea. I might recommend we in Tyrone start the same with our neighbours for when we meet in the Ulster Championship, so far this year we could of won the Sperrin Cup for victory over Derry. It would look great sitting in Garvaghey along with the McKenna & Div 2 trophies. Imagine the excitement if we could add the Slieve Beagh trophy to the collection by beating Monaghan in the Ulster final, just hope they don't forget to take the Anglo Celt home with them in all the excitement. Coming to think of it we could add Fermanagh into that competition and make it a three team tournament - or would that just be silly? Just because it is an international sometimes doesn't make it anything more than a friendly/trial match - Ireland v Belarus? The highest level you can reach in sport??"
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 02/06/2016 13:55:47
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Aah yeah the prestigious Admiral Brown Cup - how could I forget about that. Also the Centenary Quaich Cup - a tournament within a tournament what a quaint idea.
I might recommend we in Tyrone start the same with our neighbours for when we meet in the Ulster Championship, so far this year we could of won the Sperrin Cup for victory over Derry. It would look great sitting in Garvaghey along with the McKenna & Div 2 trophies.
Imagine the excitement if we could add the Slieve Beagh trophy to the collection by beating Monaghan in the Ulster final, just hope they don't forget to take the Anglo Celt home with them in all the excitement.
Coming to think of it we could add Fermanagh into that competition and make it a three team tournament - or would that just be silly?
Just because it is an international sometimes doesn't make it anything more than a friendly/trial match - Ireland v Belarus? The highest level you can reach in sport??
benched (Tyrone) - Posts:292 - 02/06/2016 09:47:19 But you are then ignorant of what makes rugby different to other sports. There is considerably more internationals than there was in the past due to professionalism/modern era etc but these games are very important to the sport.
Medway In my opinion he is just simply highlighting the bias towards rugby in particular for the posters on this forum, nothing more nothing less.
It doesn't annoy me, in fact I enjoy seeing the stats prove what most of us think anyhow.
At some stage it might also dawn on the egg chasers that they continually fan the flames by posting on this topic more than mediaman himself.
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1244 - 02/06/2016 10:24:32 Why do you call rugby by a derogatory name?
But if these stats prove allegedly poor work/biased work by RTE in favour of one sport over others then where is the public outcry and public demands for change?
If you read the bloody thread you will see that Ormond was having issue with 3 tests v S Africa being called challenge games. Benched came up with his retort and I then responded to that.
So my response was regarding the three challenge matches vs S Africa.
A little tip, context is usually useful when trying to understand something.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:322 - 02/06/2016 11:11:14 But they are far from challenge games.
Rugby don't do friendlies because they have so few countries playing seriously.
There's no qualification for their main competitions for the usual suspects, they all automatically qualify because they're the only countries that play to a good enough level.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9620 - 02/06/2016 12:10:26Or there is a tiered approach and the best play each other and when international rugby is key to finances of the nations sport at all levels there is a closed door approach
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Replying To benched: " Replying To bad.monkey: "[quote=benched: "[quote=ormondbannerman: "What competition are they part of? What trophy is up for grabs?
benched (Tyrone) - Posts:291 - 01/06/2016 13:53:19 They are international tests. Full blooded affairs. Their games are one of the few tests Ireland play that don't have a trophy up for grabs. Like games against Argentina are for the Admiral Brown Cup, games against Australia are for the Lansdowne Cup, games against Scotland are played for the Centenary Quaich
A game doesn't have to be part of a competition to be very important.
A full rugby international game is a test game and is just like a full cricket test game, a senior soccer international etc etc and therefore are the highest level you can reach in the sport" Aah yeah the prestigious Admiral Brown Cup - how could I forget about that. Also the Centenary Quaich Cup - a tournament within a tournament what a quaint idea. I might recommend we in Tyrone start the same with our neighbours for when we meet in the Ulster Championship, so far this year we could of won the Sperrin Cup for victory over Derry. It would look great sitting in Garvaghey along with the McKenna & Div 2 trophies. Imagine the excitement if we could add the Slieve Beagh trophy to the collection by beating Monaghan in the Ulster final, just hope they don't forget to take the Anglo Celt home with them in all the excitement. Coming to think of it we could add Fermanagh into that competition and make it a three team tournament - or would that just be silly? Just because it is an international sometimes doesn't make it anything more than a friendly/trial match - Ireland v Belarus? The highest level you can reach in sport??"
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4653 - 02/06/2016 14:30:55
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Aah yeah the prestigious Admiral Brown Cup - how could I forget about that. Also the Centenary Quaich Cup - a tournament within a tournament what a quaint idea.
I might recommend we in Tyrone start the same with our neighbours for when we meet in the Ulster Championship, so far this year we could of won the Sperrin Cup for victory over Derry. It would look great sitting in Garvaghey along with the McKenna & Div 2 trophies.
Imagine the excitement if we could add the Slieve Beagh trophy to the collection by beating Monaghan in the Ulster final, just hope they don't forget to take the Anglo Celt home with them in all the excitement.
Coming to think of it we could add Fermanagh into that competition and make it a three team tournament - or would that just be silly?
Just because it is an international sometimes doesn't make it anything more than a friendly/trial match - Ireland v Belarus? The highest level you can reach in sport??
benched (Tyrone) - Posts:292 - 02/06/2016 09:47:19 But you are then ignorant of what makes rugby different to other sports. There is considerably more internationals than there was in the past due to professionalism/modern era etc but these games are very important to the sport.
Medway In my opinion he is just simply highlighting the bias towards rugby in particular for the posters on this forum, nothing more nothing less.
It doesn't annoy me, in fact I enjoy seeing the stats prove what most of us think anyhow.
At some stage it might also dawn on the egg chasers that they continually fan the flames by posting on this topic more than mediaman himself.
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1244 - 02/06/2016 10:24:32 Why do you call rugby by a derogatory name?
But if these stats prove allegedly poor work/biased work by RTE in favour of one sport over others then where is the public outcry and public demands for change?
If you read the bloody thread you will see that Ormond was having issue with 3 tests v S Africa being called challenge games. Benched came up with his retort and I then responded to that.
So my response was regarding the three challenge matches vs S Africa.
A little tip, context is usually useful when trying to understand something.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:322 - 02/06/2016 11:11:14 But they are far from challenge games.
Rugby don't do friendlies because they have so few countries playing seriously.
There's no qualification for their main competitions for the usual suspects, they all automatically qualify because they're the only countries that play to a good enough level.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9620 - 02/06/2016 12:10:26Or there is a tiered approach and the best play each other and when international rugby is key to finances of the nations sport at all levels there is a closed door approach" If you read the bloody thread you will see that Ormond was having issue with 3 tests v S Africa being called challenge games. Benched came up with his retort and I then responded to that.
So my response was regarding the three challenge matches vs S Africa.
A little tip, context is usually useful when trying to understand something.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:322 - 02/06/2016 11:11:14 But they are far from challenge games.
Agreed, that was a typo more than anything having already used the phrase challenge matches.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4586 - 02/06/2016 15:03:12
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This is not the time for negativity.
This is the time for reggaetivity !
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8114 - 02/06/2016 15:38:27
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In my opinion he is just simply highlighting the bias towards rugby in particular for the posters on this forum, nothing more nothing less.
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1244 - 02/06/2016 10:24:32
Fair enough but when rte do right by gaa he never mentions it, so mention of live games, the toughest trade programme (portrayed gaa in great light), no mention of blanket radio coverage or the marty squad on rte radio its all negative. on mention of great tg4 coverage. plus he does have an anti rugby agenda, which grates those of us who like both gaa and rugby
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 02/06/2016 15:48:12
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Time now to look at the No.1 Item breakdown for RTE 6.01 News and Sport for May. There were 31 programmes in May.
1. Soccer was the No.1 item on 12 of the 31 programmes (39%).
=2. Golf was the No.1 item 6 times out of 31 programmes (19%).
Gaelic Games (hurling/football) was the No.1 item on 6 of the 31 programmes (19%).
4. Rugby Union was the No.1 item on 3 of the 31 programmes (10%).
5. Boxing was the No.1 item on 2 out of 31 programmes (6%).
=6. Cricket was the No.1 item on 1 programme (3%).
Swimming was the No.1 item on 1 programme as well (3%).
Just the online details to go for May now, then it will be possible to have a full 12 month look at the RTE 6.01 News and Sport details for June 2015 to May 2016. Can't wait.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 02/06/2016 19:49:35
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Replying To mediaman: "Time now to look at the No.1 Item breakdown for RTE 6.01 News and Sport for May. There were 31 programmes in May.
1. Soccer was the No.1 item on 12 of the 31 programmes (39%).
=2. Golf was the No.1 item 6 times out of 31 programmes (19%).
Gaelic Games (hurling/football) was the No.1 item on 6 of the 31 programmes (19%).
4. Rugby Union was the No.1 item on 3 of the 31 programmes (10%).
5. Boxing was the No.1 item on 2 out of 31 programmes (6%).
=6. Cricket was the No.1 item on 1 programme (3%).
Swimming was the No.1 item on 1 programme as well (3%).
Just the online details to go for May now, then it will be possible to have a full 12 month look at the RTE 6.01 News and Sport details for June 2015 to May 2016. Can't wait." just the online details to go for May now, then it will be possible to have a full 12 month look at the RTE 6.01 News and Sport details for June 2015 to May 2016. Can't wait.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:315 - 02/06/2016 19:49:35 1
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janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 02/06/2016 20:50:00
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The RTE Sport Website details for May confirm the RTE website team's love affair with Soccer. (Top 20 Sports articles as of 10pm each evening for the 31 days of May).
1. Soccer - 219 articles out of a total of 620 (35%)
2. Football/hurling combined - 89 articles out of a total of 620 (14%)
3. Rugby Union - 61 articles out of a total of 620 (10%)
Soccer receives more website coverage than the next three sports combined. That's quite a disparity. A number two position for football/hurling probably gives a false impression of their coverage so from now on they will be treated separately and separate figures given for each.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 06/06/2016 19:34:34
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Warning: Saturation coverage ahead for Soccer with the Euros coming up. So I am afraid it is a case of sit back and enjoy it!
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2620 - 06/06/2016 21:55:22
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For years football/hurling followers have harboured the suspicion that our National Broadcaster's main daily TV news RTE 6.01 News and Sport gives priority to Soccer and Rugby Union over Football and Hurling. The only way to prove or disprove this belief was to gather evidence over a long period of time i.e. over a full year. That way all the highs and lows of the different sporting seasons are included. The following statistics were compiled between June 1st 2015 and May 31st 2016 (12 full months)
Sport was included on 364 days of the 366 days possible. The first category to look at is the Frequency or number of times the different sports were included on the 6.01 News and Sport Programmes between the above dates.
Frequency:
1. Soccer featured on 329 of the 364 programmes - that's 90% of the total.
2. Rugby Union featured on 267 of the 364 programmes - that's 73% of the total.
3. Football and Hurling combined featured on 228 of the 364 programmes - that's 63% of the total.
Football and Hurling are quite distinct sports so it is clearly unfair to measure them as one unit. For the next 12 months therefore they will be measured separately.
Not much arguing with these figures however.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 07/06/2016 19:00:51
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The RTE Sport Website details for May confirm the RTE website team's love affair with Soccer. (Top 20 Sports articles as of 10pm each evening for the 31 days of May).
1. Soccer - 219 articles out of a total of 620 (35%)
2. Football/hurling combined - 89 articles out of a total of 620 (14%)
3. Rugby Union - 61 articles out of a total of 620 (10%)
Soccer receives more website coverage than the next three sports combined. That's quite a disparity. A number two position for football/hurling probably gives a false impression of their coverage so from now on they will be treated separately and separate figures given for each.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:317 - 06/06/2016 19:34:34So RTE isn't biased in favour of any sport more it will cover sports biggest at time of year....... Of course Soccer with Ireland in euros and end of premiership will have a lot of articles.
For years football/hurling followers have harboured the suspicion that our National Broadcaster's main daily TV news RTE 6.01 News and Sport gives priority to Soccer and Rugby Union over Football and Hurling. The only way to prove or disprove this belief was to gather evidence over a long period of time i.e. over a full year. That way all the highs and lows of the different sporting seasons are included. The following statistics were compiled between June 1st 2015 and May 31st 2016 (12 full months)
Sport was included on 364 days of the 366 days possible. The first category to look at is the Frequency or number of times the different sports were included on the 6.01 News and Sport Programmes between the above dates.
Frequency:
1. Soccer featured on 329 of the 364 programmes - that's 90% of the total.
2. Rugby Union featured on 267 of the 364 programmes - that's 73% of the total.
3. Football and Hurling combined featured on 228 of the 364 programmes - that's 63% of the total.
Football and Hurling are quite distinct sports so it is clearly unfair to measure them as one unit. For the next 12 months therefore they will be measured separately. Not much arguing with these figures however.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:317 - 07/06/2016 19:00:51Drop the tinfoil hat stuff. Have you ever considered that pro sports with teams that train daily during the day time and media staff can cover much easier will get more coverage than amateur teams who don't train as much and are not as available for media/press events as pro athletes.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/06/2016 19:20:38
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THE 6.01 NEWS AND SPORT IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN MEASURING SPORTS COVERAGE IN RTE - DOES EVERYONE GET THE MESSAGE?????
And of course there's no arguing with the figures......................
jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 07/06/2016 19:49:57
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Replying To jimski: "THE 6.01 NEWS AND SPORT IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN MEASURING SPORTS COVERAGE IN RTE - DOES EVERYONE GET THE MESSAGE?????
And of course there's no arguing with the figures......................" Not forgetting 'For the next 12 months therefore they will be measured separately'.
How can the CSO survive without such a talent ?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8114 - 07/06/2016 21:31:55
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One of the arguments often put forward on this thread to defend the lack of fairness on RTE's 6.01 News and Sport is that RTE cannot be expected to find amateur sportspeople/volunteers available for interview for their midweek programmes. No problem today when they sent a reporter out to Navan to record interviews in relation to the Christy Ring Cup Final. And no problem a few weeks ago when they sent a reporter out to Longford to record an interview in relation to that county's problems with team preparations for the LSFC. The common theme? Both were negative items both highlighting problems in hurling and football.
You can be sure of one thing, had Meath's win (which would have been huge for their hurling development) been completely uncontroversial RTE would most definitely not have sent a reporter out to Navan to do a good news story about their achievement in qualifying for next year's LSHC.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 08/06/2016 22:10:09
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Replying To mediaman: "The RTE Sport Website details for May confirm the RTE website team's love affair with Soccer. (Top 20 Sports articles as of 10pm each evening for the 31 days of May).
1. Soccer - 219 articles out of a total of 620 (35%)
2. Football/hurling combined - 89 articles out of a total of 620 (14%)
3. Rugby Union - 61 articles out of a total of 620 (10%)
Soccer receives more website coverage than the next three sports combined. That's quite a disparity. A number two position for football/hurling probably gives a false impression of their coverage so from now on they will be treated separately and separate figures given for each." Now I'm not 100% on this, but can't websites count the number of hits on a given page/story, thereby allowing them to tailor their output to suit the demand?
So, for example, if GAA articles get an average 10,000 hits per article, but soccer gets 50,000, then they're surely going to have more soccer articles to maximise advertising revenue. Just a thought.
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 08/06/2016 22:55:30
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Replying To mediaman: "One of the arguments often put forward on this thread to defend the lack of fairness on RTE's 6.01 News and Sport is that RTE cannot be expected to find amateur sportspeople/volunteers available for interview for their midweek programmes. No problem today when they sent a reporter out to Navan to record interviews in relation to the Christy Ring Cup Final. And no problem a few weeks ago when they sent a reporter out to Longford to record an interview in relation to that county's problems with team preparations for the LSFC. The common theme? Both were negative items both highlighting problems in hurling and football.
You can be sure of one thing, had Meath's win (which would have been huge for their hurling development) been completely uncontroversial RTE would most definitely not have sent a reporter out to Navan to do a good news story about their achievement in qualifying for next year's LSHC." How can you be sure of that ? I'm amazed you haven't complained about all the positive media coverage Connacht are getting since their historic win.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8114 - 08/06/2016 23:00:35
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in fairness to mediaman...people have their heads in the sand if they think rte would be giving the meath hurlers coverage if it wasnt for the controversy..same goes for the infamous club brawl many years ago which made the late late
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 08/06/2016 23:58:43
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Mediaman, seriously I'm trying to work out what you're doing here, what are you going to do with all the info you've been collating? I mean, this must take some serious time out of your life.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 09/06/2016 00:04:24
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Replying To extranjero: "Now I'm not 100% on this, but can't websites count the number of hits on a given page/story, thereby allowing them to tailor their output to suit the demand?
So, for example, if GAA articles get an average 10,000 hits per article, but soccer gets 50,000, then they're surely going to have more soccer articles to maximise advertising revenue. Just a thought." Ah now, don't be bringing logic into it!
jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 09/06/2016 08:50:54
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