I have nothing against RTE's coverage of GAA. It is the quality of the coverage that matters. Football Premier league coverage shows a "2 good , 2 bad" issues of the PL games on show.
RTE Sunday Game could do the same- show 2 good points from the game, and 2 controversial points. Not show the 4 controversial points they usually do.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2620 - 10/05/2016 13:03:59    1853586

Mediaman, what are the six rugby autumn internationals that RTE are showing? Ireland have only four games and RTE don't have the rights to them all as far as I know. I've no recollection of them showing other countries autumn internationals as again, they don't have the rights.
Hold on a second, is there a chance that mediaman might be a wind up merchant trying to get us all going and his facts are not facts? Does he make up those figures for the six one news as no one is ever going to check them and thinking about it, who would ever record them all and then time them 365 days a year.
A smell a rat here.
Roger (Meath) - Posts:347 - 09/05/2016 21:05:38RTE will have some of them and they've never shown other international teams games outside of world cup/6 nations. There is a rat...

Someone will have to clarify what Autumn Internationals, if any, RTE are showing later this year. What's interesting from the figures provided is they suggest RTE have already shown more live rugby games in 2016 than they will live gaelic football or hurling games in the entire year (barring possible replays). They have also shown live rugby games at senior international, youth and club level, which is a wider range than they will cover hurling or football also. Considering the most frequent rebuttal of Mediamans stats is that RTE show way more live GAA than rugby them figures do surprise me - it seems disingenuous to lump football and hurling in together as 1 sport for the purposes of comparison with other sports.
Soma (UK) - Posts:1415 - 10/05/2016 10:13:39 RTE are showing Irelands games.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/2013/0131/365434-rte-secure-rights-for-autumn-internationals/
TG4 will show significant numbers of GAA games. The competition with the most amount of games in hurling and gaelic is shown by tg4 and the competition RTE show are knock out so of course hurling with only 12 teams in main championship wont have that many games shown.


as Roger and ormondbannerman have correctly pointed out there wont be 6 autumn tests show ( i think its the 3 home games) i suspect they wont have rights to all blacks game in chicago.
You also left out two camogie games - sunday game- thank gaa its friday- the geansai- the toughest trade -all star awards, the 2017 championship draw (no rugby awards or draws get shown on rte) - but hey why let the fact get in the way of an anti rugby rant.
In order for rte to show more championship games - when would they be played. There are two matches on tv every sunday, one match on sky every saturday evening sometimes two games on saturdays. SO they either have to show live games at Midday or 6pm on sunday or 3pm saturday or play friday night which wont suit a lot of players and supporters and have an effect on club attendances4
Every major hurling game is going to be shown - all munster championship both leinster semis plus some q finals, and the all ireland series
i dont think they can possibly show any more game .
There will be no more rugby on rte til november - going to be great summer of sports with lots of gaa, euro 2016, and olympics and judging by league finals we are going to see a lot of tony kelly and austin gleeson throughout the summer and i for one cannot wait
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:277 - 10/05/2016 10:22:40 excellent post...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/05/2016 13:07:33    1853591

I think I am correct in saying the only GAA they show is senior intercounty
highlights of league games, and some club, minor and 21s
Yes but minor games (all ireland semis and finals) are shown on tg4 with excellent monday night highlights
almost all under 21 hurling games are shown plus two football semis and final
4 league games per week are shown on setanta /tg4
club championships
there are plenty on games been shown on free to air platforms does it really matter whether its on tg4 or rte
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:277 - 10/05/2016 12:04:17 Yep. Lots of games shown live on free to air. Just not RTE all the time.

Janesboro I thought you had accepted some of the the dubious facts already!? No more rugby on RTE until November - incorrect, there will certainly be some rugby 7's from Rio. Every major hurling game is going to be shown - incorrect (qualifiers, current Leinster qualifiers, All-Ireland U-21 final). 2 live games on every Sunday - incorrect, look at this Sunday when neither game is televised. The number of Autumn internationals to be shown is unclear as well, will the Fiji-Barbarians game at Ravenhill be on RTE?
Soma (UK) - Posts:1415 - 10/05/2016 12:06:47Rugby 7s mightn't be covered that much. Every major hurling game will be shown on tv. Qualifiers and the current leinster qualifiers are not major games. If barbarians is shown it will be on Sky

Are the Ireland 7s team all uncapped for the full team and just contracted to their provinces or what's the story? If they are then they're a lot closer to the Olympic ideal than the golfers? Golf is only in there for the advertising cash. Should be made up of amateur players proud to represent their countries and not pros who fancy a few freebies in Brazil. The BMX is yer only man for the Olympics.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2302 - 10/05/2016 12:45:07irish 7s team for men is a mix of academy players, club players.
What exactly is the Olympic ideal. All sports are full of pros and golf shouldn't have to have amateur players. Sure look at the wealth of basketball players, USA dream teams etc...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/05/2016 13:12:48    1853594

now that you are here galwayford i wish to refer to your post on 22/3/2016 --I subsequently asked you to provide one example of any such attack on gaelic football made by me...... you wont find any as i have not made any ..... i

Maybe you might consider furnishing us with a response

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 10/05/2016 14:09:09    1853622

So now that the most commonly used retort by RTE supporters on here, that more live football and hurling games are shown on RTE than live rugby and soccer games, has been shown to be a red herring by mediaman, could those who don't believe there is any imbalance in the coverage provided by RTE to the various sports just sum up their position? Thanks to mediaman we know it is a fact that RTE sports news devotes far more time to rugby and soccer than to the national games throughout the year, we know it is a fact that they show more live rugby and soccer games than hurling or football games, we know it is a fact that they show more live games across a greater range of levels in rugby and soccer (club, international, youth rugby) compared to just senior inter-county hurling and football, and most accept that the tone of coverage of the national games tends to be more negative than towards other sports (think back to the hilarious decision to show players pushing their way into a tunnel at halftime as the only footage from a football league game which had some exceptional scores). Ignoring for now the scandalous paucity of female coverage across most of the sports, on what basis do people believe there is fair and balanced coverage provided?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 10/05/2016 14:55:58    1853645

I don't believe it Soma but it doesn't bother me as much as most. I only wish I had RTE TV as the championship starts.

It's a good question Ormond, what are the Olmpic ideals. I don't know, I have my own view of what it should be, not the same thing. I don't think it's right that an Irish boxer, with a pittance of a grant, should train hard for 4 years for Brazil for the honour if representung while a millionaire golfer can take a few weeks out of his schedule and competes in Brazil because his agent tells him it'll boost his endorsement potential. The Dream Team allowed into the Olympics was a joke, not so much a competition as an exhibition. Same for tennis. The Olympics are not the aim of these sportsmen and women for that month, that year or that 4 years wheras it is for many 'amateur' athletes. I know some do participate for money but just competing at the Olympics is their dream. The Tennis, Golf, Basketball are highly paid sportspeople. I think they should just have amateur participants who strive to medal at the Olympic games and are giving their all and comehome toa hero's welcome rather than half-heartedly competing for a medal to throw in the drawer.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8114 - 10/05/2016 15:57:04    1853680

Soma - I believe there is fair and balanced coverage of hurling and football versus rugby on the basis that RTE show the Major championships in Hurling and football-they dont show the rugby world cup and wont be showing 6 nations from 2018 onwards. They show highlights of league games and no highlights of champions cup and little coverage of pro 12. Tg4 show more rugby than Rte.

I believe there is fair and balanced coverage of hurling and football towards soccer, soccer just gets more games as there is more of it on. I mean if a 50 plus game gaa tournament was on spread over a month attracting crowds for 40k per match RTE would show it. Realistically how many other GAA matches can be shown on TV without resorting to inconvenient throw ins

RTE show sunday game and league sunday vis a vis against the head Gaa wins there
RTE show championship draw and All star awards They dont show the rugby equivalents
Lot more other GAA shows than the other sports the geansai, thank gaa its friday, the toughest trade, blanket coverage on radio. You also have to factor in there is an audience for soccer and rugby as well as the Gaa, quite likely a lot of the same people watch both. If people didnt watch it they would not show it.

Other points

and most accept that the tone of coverage of the national games tends to be more negative than towards other sports

obviously the praising of e.g. kilkenny hurlers skill level by rte pundits is a figment of my imagination

(think back to the hilarious decision to show players pushing their way into a tunnel at halftime as the only footage from a football league game which had some exceptional scores).

Think back to the excellent report of the dublin game which was preceded the same report.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 10/05/2016 16:33:52    1853699

So now that the most commonly used retort by RTE supporters on here, that more live football and hurling games are shown on RTE than live rugby and soccer games, has been shown to be a red herring by mediaman, could those who don't believe there is any imbalance in the coverage provided by RTE to the various sports just sum up their position? Thanks to mediaman we know it is a fact that RTE sports news devotes far more time to rugby and soccer than to the national games throughout the year, we know it is a fact that they show more live rugby and soccer games than hurling or football games, we know it is a fact that they show more live games across a greater range of levels in rugby and soccer (club, international, youth rugby) compared to just senior inter-county hurling and football, and most accept that the tone of coverage of the national games tends to be more negative than towards other sports (think back to the hilarious decision to show players pushing their way into a tunnel at halftime as the only footage from a football league game which had some exceptional scores). Ignoring for now the scandalous paucity of female coverage across most of the sports, on what basis do people believe there is fair and balanced coverage provided?

Soma (UK) - Posts:1416 - 10/05/2016

100% concur with this - good post Soma ( I bet you never thought I would be saying that lol)

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 10/05/2016 16:45:26    1853709

soma maybe you could tell us what you view as fair and balanced coverage e.g.
RE GAA -
should all championship games be shown on RTE
if more are shown when would they be played
would you be insisting rte show league club 21s minor games instead of tg4 if yes why

re soccer -Should RTE show euro 2016 in full or just ireland games and knockout stages
re rugby-should rte only show 6 nations games involving Ireland

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 10/05/2016 17:14:56    1853727

Haha TRS, I think I need a lie down after that bit of praise!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 10/05/2016 18:03:56    1853748

So now that the most commonly used retort by RTE supporters on here, that more live football and hurling games are shown on RTE than live rugby and soccer games, has been shown to be a red herring by mediaman, could those who don't believe there is any imbalance in the coverage provided by RTE to the various sports just sum up their position? Thanks to mediaman we know it is a fact that RTE sports news devotes far more time to rugby and soccer than to the national games throughout the year, we know it is a fact that they show more live rugby and soccer games than hurling or football games, we know it is a fact that they show more live games across a greater range of levels in rugby and soccer (club, international, youth rugby) compared to just senior inter-county hurling and football, and most accept that the tone of coverage of the national games tends to be more negative than towards other sports (think back to the hilarious decision to show players pushing their way into a tunnel at halftime as the only footage from a football league game which had some exceptional scores). Ignoring for now the scandalous paucity of female coverage across most of the sports, on what basis do people believe there is fair and balanced coverage provided?
Soma (UK) - Posts:1417 - 10/05/2016 14:55:58What exactly would be supposedly balanced coverage than?
Rugby/Soccer are professional sports which means they will have more opportunities for coverage than amateur sports. That's obvious(or should be obvious) to all. TG4 provide more coverage of club gaa, underage than anything RTE does for the same in Rugby. The images of players pushing each other into tunnel at halftime is big news and certainly should be part of a news report of a game. Should we then gloss over the fact that supposed elite athletes are scrapping like that on live tv?


I don't believe it Soma but it doesn't bother me as much as most. I only wish I had RTE TV as the championship starts.
It's a good question Ormond, what are the Olmpic ideals. I don't know, I have my own view of what it should be, not the same thing. I don't think it's right that an Irish boxer, with a pittance of a grant, should train hard for 4 years for Brazil for the honour if representung while a millionaire golfer can take a few weeks out of his schedule and competes in Brazil because his agent tells him it'll boost his endorsement potential. The Dream Team allowed into the Olympics was a joke, not so much a competition as an exhibition. Same for tennis. The Olympics are not the aim of these sportsmen and women for that month, that year or that 4 years wheras it is for many 'amateur' athletes. I know some do participate for money but just competing at the Olympics is their dream. The Tennis, Golf, Basketball are highly paid sportspeople. I think they should just have amateur participants who strive to medal at the Olympic games and are giving their all and comehome toa hero's welcome rather than half-heartedly competing for a medal to throw in the drawer.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2305 - 10/05/2016 15:57:04But the NBA players clearly want to play in the Olympics. You are assuming lots of golfers/tennis players etc don't have national pride and are only doing It for money, I think that's unfair on pros. For huge numbers Olympics are extremely important and the only goal.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/05/2016 18:41:32    1853755

I disagree Ormond. I don't think Kobe would handover his NBA rings for a chance to compete in the Olympics or McIlroy would give up his majors or Ryder Cups to compete in the Olympics. But David Oliver Joyce has put his heart and soul into Olympic qualification because it means everything to him. I know it's an old fashioned view but it's my own !

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8114 - 10/05/2016 21:56:14    1853833

I dont see a lot if any posts by Janesboro on the Limerick GAA forum. He just seems to be interested in pushing his own agenda here. We know what his agenda is.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2620 - 11/05/2016 10:11:21    1853864

I dont see a lot if any posts by Janesboro on the Limerick GAA forum. He just seems to be interested in pushing his own agenda here. We know what his agenda is.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts:524 - 11/05/2016 10:11:21

Please advise what is my agenda and while you are at it you might advise me what derogatory comments i made about football (this is the 4th time asking) ...did you find any????????//

If you read some of earlier posts on this thread you will have noted my affection and love for hurling football and rugby and my involvement at coaching level at all 3 sports

I did post yesterday that after watching leicester that if we ever win an all ireland i want andrea bocelli to sing limerick your a lady, if fact galway win the all ireland id be delighted for him to sing the wests awake (sadly that song reminds me of 1980 final)

While i read the threads on the limerick gaa forum ,the reason i do no post on the limerick gaa forum is that the main and most interesting thread relates to our senior hurlers and in particular in relation to performance and team selection, this involves naming players and criticising them and to be honest I knowing the level of effort they put in I do not feel one bit comfortable naming players on such a forum and do not feel that i should question their integrity (deemed or otherwise ) hence i do not post

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 11/05/2016 10:42:49    1853880

Galwayford here is a portion of a post i made on 5th feb giving suggestions as to how to improve GAA coverage (whinging aint going to fix it) - bit inconsistent with the so called gaa agenda you are proclaiming i have - i got little response and certainly none from you - have a look yourself and see what you think

--Press releases with good news stories, look at my club at your club -plenty of them there
e.g. how gaa is helping kids stay fit, the excellent facilities, funding announcements.
--GAA send their own reporters and cameras to events i.e. media days and send them to all the tv stations.
--Maybe do a midweek highlights show (possibly focussing on games not covered by Sunday Game, Ladies football, camogie, underage) -from sunday to saturday there aint any live games to report or talk about. Maybe a second captains style GAA show. If need be GAA could commission it . HAve a referee on it to explain decisions.
Yes it would cost money but it would expose more people /kids to GAA.
--Some sort of kids TV programme with a GAA theme.

This was posted by me in regard to promoting camogie and ladies foodball - the general response was that better to leave ladies finals as standalone gaes as they get good crowd - still think there should be more mens/womens double headers

n regard to womens sports i note that the two of the most popular womens sports are tennis and athletics, in both sport the women get as much kudos as the men, maybe this may be due to the fact that the main events for men and women are run together - you could say run as one - rugby do the same for the six nations which really helps the coverage - maybe GAA could look at doing same i.e. double headers play, camogie final prior to all ireland semi or all ireland under 21 final, maybe as part of triple header even

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:282 - 25/02/2016 09:43:44

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 11/05/2016 11:00:10    1853898

very good suggestions Janesboro. I hope you take them to Croke park H.Q. And if any Croke park "heads" here on forum take note.
Great suggestions!

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2620 - 12/05/2016 13:28:25    1854379

Good stuff janesboro.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/05/2016 13:39:44    1854385

On Thursday the 19th of May the centrepiece of the RTE 6.01 News and Sport preview of the USFC match between Tyrone and Derry was a number of punches swopped between the sides when they met sometime in the 1990's (the VT was so old it was even grainy). In this evening's preview of the USFC match between Cavan and Armagh the centrepiece was a pre-match parade row between the teams from a few years ago. (Even though they met twice this year alone no footage of those games was shown) No other sport is so regularly portrayed in this way. Ignore the positive and accentuate the negative. That's the RTE way when it comes to football/hurling. At least they're consistent. This evening's effort was a particularly blatant attack on our game.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 27/05/2016 19:50:56    1859442

I didn't see it but if it is as you described it's a shocking indictment.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 27/05/2016 20:16:35    1859452

To be fair to whoever puts it together at least they do quite a bit of research to find the occasional flare-up in the archives. Though perhaps just showing some recent footage would allow them time to correct the many many errors they make when reporting the games?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/05/2016 20:43:16    1859459