The bottom line here is Gaelic Games are the best attended sports in Ireland & that is often not reflected on the national broadcaster's news & sports coverage. When it is covered it is frequently portrayed in a negative light. I don't think it has been mentioned here previously but TV3 are equally as guilty of this as RTE, in my opinion, with soccer getting most of the coverage on their news/sports broadcasts. All most GAA fans would be asking for is more parity & positivity in Gaelic Games coverage.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:2689 - 29/02/2016 15:15:59So what do you want done and how do you expect change to occur?
Its people involved in the GAA, GAA journalists either broadcasters or paper journalists who write in such a manner and theyre not all directed to be negative about the GAA as that's tinfoil hat brigade time if you believe that.
Soccer gets so much coverage as people follow the premiership so much etc


Would anybody else think a GAA station could be the way to go? Imagine. Something similar to the sky formula 1 station There's definitely be enough games and interest. I'd watch hurling and football at any level anytime of the day if it was on.
There's always great games on that don't get televised. Only last weekend one of the great fitzgibbon finals of all time was on with no facilities to watch it. There'd be enough college, secondary schools, u21 fixtures on during the week, with the big intercounty games at the weekend. Room for a magazine show of a saturday morning. And just air repeats or games that couldn't be shown live during the day.
begining (UK) - Posts:86 - 29/02/2016 15:32:55Who would fund this GAA station. GAA isn't big enough for Sky to deserve its own channel and do RTE really have the resources to put that forward.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2016 17:40:22    1829490

re GAA TV even if it was a bad idea (which it aint) - at least the lads are putting forward a positive idea- even start off with 5-6 hours 3/4 days a week - evenif it was 24 hours a day there would still be moaning about the lack of gaa tv coverage on this website

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 29/02/2016 17:57:08    1829499

Janesboro as you are here you might offer a view on the footage RTE showed from Armagh Saturday night. Do you think it was reasonable, and if not do you think it was just a coincidence? I am honestly interested to try and understand what those who say there is no bias in aspects of RTE coverage thought of it. As it happens there was an excellent goal and outstanding winning point scored in that game.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 29/02/2016 18:04:51    1829501

Ormond,

"So what do you want done and how do you expect change to occur?
Its people involved in the GAA, GAA journalists either broadcasters or paper journalists who write in such a manner and theyre not all directed to be negative about the GAA as that's tinfoil hat brigade time if you believe that."

Ah yes so it must've been Marty Morrissey or Michael Lyster who decided to show the schmozzle instead of any of the scores. Do you know what an editor does?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/02/2016 18:52:49    1829523

Look at all the RTE rugby pundits talking about Ireland's "heroics" in being beaten 21-10 in Twickenham. It's always presented this way when we lose.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/02/2016 19:28:56    1829542

I would if I thought we could make money from it Beginning. It'd be a dream job. One week in Donegal listening to Declan Bonnar and Tony Boyle previewing their Ulster Championship game, the next week Tony Browne and Brian Lohan talking about their clash that weekend. But these things don't come free. Maybe start off with a YouTube channel with a few clips from games from whatever source is the cheapest, maybe from supporters phones of some scores? See what the interest is like. Do any local radio stations have video of any of their GAA interviews like Newstalk do?

I think the real selling point could be local county and club news. A good way for anyone abroad to get news from club and county. When I was a young fella, a long time ago, it was a massive thrill to see my name in The Western or The Journal for some match. Should be just as much a thrill for a young boy or girl and their parents to see a clip of them playing a game on the net.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7926 - 29/02/2016 20:06:24    1829557

That's 'clever marketing' Keeper! Sure after they lost to the Argies they had a love-in with the media kissing babies at the airport. The IRFU have full-time marketing people doing a good job. Even if the GAA don't have as good a marketing resource they could do things a bit better. I often hear ads on the radio for Leinster trying to get as many in as they can to fill seats for PRO12 games. It's their livelihood, have to pay the players. On St. Patrick's Day, when the capital is full of tourists, and our greatest games are on display, although less than intercounty standard they'll be no less intense. Why not drop the price of tickets to €15, €20 for a family ticket and not only full Croker a bit more but give tourists a great spectacle and memory seeing our great games rather than them drinking left-handed €8 pints in Temple Bar.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7926 - 29/02/2016 20:20:25    1829562

Soma -Didn't watch the programme until this morning and had no desire to do so until you asked me to opine on same. The GAA coverage showed about a minute of Dublin v Monaghan, around 20 secs of Armagh v Fermanagh and another minute approx on congress. The congress and Dublin games were well covered. The Armagh v Fermanagh coverage was not reasonable. All they showed of it was a bit of pushing and shoving which was not one bit newsworthy. They should covered it like the Dublin game and shown a minute of scores. I did see the goal and last point which as you say were stunning. Also a mention of the Fitzgibbon Cup final would not have been unreasonable either. Would love to know the views of you, Mediaman and Sceptical on GAA matters like Cian Lynch 5 pts or Declan Hannon 1-3 from play -augers well for Limerick I hope.

I didnt see the game or news as we were in Dublin to cheer on Young Munster v Clontarf in the AIL and then Dublin Game. At the Munsters game I did not encounter one semblance of the rugby elitism that you and others refer to, in fact it was the opposite they could not have made us feel more welcome. Their kids mixed freely with ours and both sets of supporters got on well as per previous experiences with Clontarf. Of course the friendliness went out the window for the duration of the game and anybody who thought club rugby was not important would have been impressed with the level of intensity on and off the pitch, there was a good crowd too.
Got a few "c'mon clontarf's" muttered at us as we wondered round the Bull wall and Dollymount strand (beautiful spot) in the morning but all in good fun. Been to Lansdowne and Old Belvedere games in Dublin this season and had similar good experiences without any hint of elitism.

Went to Dublin v Monaghan seeing as we were nearby. Dont like going to Croke Park due to 20plus years of emotional baggage and scars from that place in both hurling football and rugby. Very enjoyable and a good game, had similar fun time with the Dublin fans we were around. For once I wasnt crying coming out of the stadium! (have soft spot for the Dubs having lived there)

After Sunday mornin hurling and rugby training with the kids off we went to Newcastlewest to see Limerick v Clare , on way back had sunday sport on and there was excellent GAA coverage (apart from reminding us of score of limerick game). Also on sunday evening RTE radio had excellent radio documentary on Castleisland Desmonds winning All Ireland club in 1986. Also you had league sunday which i havent watched yet coz there is only so much sport MRS J will take.

I note with interest that those who complain about bias only mention when RTE do bad, you and Mediaman did not see fit to mention on the same news programme what RTE did well i.e. Dublin games and congress, nor do either of you mention the other gaa coverage as described above. In my view their coverage including sunday sport, the Castleisland documentary, league sunday was very reasonable. Also having 4 live league game is very good overall coverage. I am also of the view that RTE radio should cover a saturday night league game as well.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/03/2016 09:35:35    1829620

would agree with you on this -to be fair the GAA generally get it right when it comes to admission prices -especially when it comes to kids - i did a thread on this previously, http://hoganstand.com/Forum/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=94327-- Interesting that none of the anti rugby brigade had a view on this,

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/03/2016 09:40:20    1829621

Sorry ed can you replace last post with this one please

Green and red
would agree with you on this -to be fair the GAA generally get it right when it comes to admission prices -especially when it comes to kids - i did a thread on this previously, http://hoganstand.com/Forum/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=94327-- Interesting that none of the anti rugby brigade had a view on this,

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/03/2016 10:19:33    1829644

Thanks for the response janesboro, so like any reasonable person you felt RTEs coverage from Armagh was nonsense though I note you did not offer an opinion on whether you thought this was a coincidence. I have not offered an opinion on the rest of the GAA coverage that evening as, what with living in the UK, I didn't see it, it was only through keepers post I became aware of it. However I had watched the Armagh game live on tv so knew how the game unfolded.
Regarding your rugby experience in Clontarf I am not one bit surprised, It's a fine club ran by excellent people. I'd suggest if you had asked those beside you if it appropriate for some schools to prohibit the playing of gaelic games they would have said no, but as you discovered here last week this is indeed the situation in some schools.
Finally I don't think this is the thread to discuss the fitzgibbon or Limerick hurling but as you asked - I think Limerick have some fine talent as ever including the 2 you mentioned but I'd have serious doubts about any team managed by someone who gets rid of all his backroom staff but stays on himself. I may be biased though as for years I hurled with, and was trained by, one of those selectors from last year who has been cast aside.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 01/03/2016 11:53:14    1829704

The RTE 6.01 News and Sport statistics for February confirm the preference the RTE editorial team has for Rugby Union. The No.1 item on the 6.01 Sports bulletin each evening is a clear and unmistakable statement of what RTE News thinks is most important and when it comes to sport the message is again clear. There were 29 programmes in February.

No.1 - Rugby Union - on 18 of the 29 programmes Rugby Union was the first item (62%)
No.2 - Soccer - on 5 of the 29 programmes Soccer was the first item (17%)
No.3 - Gaelic Games - on 4 of the 29 programmes Gaelic Games was the first item (14%)
No.4= Horse Racing and Swimming - 1 one of 29 each (3.5% each)

In summary the percentage for Rugby Union is 62%. The combined percentage for all other sports is 38%.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 01/03/2016 21:27:11    1829952

Mediaman
RTE will only cover what's of interest at the time. Right now it's 6 nations and everyone in the country will have an interest in that. In a few weeks horse racing will dominate as it's cheltenham. Come May/June there'll be no rugby and it will all be soccer as the premier league heats up and as Ireland prepare for the euros. Then you'll have the olympics. After that it will be all GAA.

So picking February is very selective and doesn't provide a broad sample for you to draw conclusions. Run your study up until September and see what the results are then.

begining (UK) - Posts: 320 - 02/03/2016 08:27:00    1829978

Well done to TG4 showing the live hurling match on Sunday 'Kerry v Wexford'. Kerry hurlers would not have been on the TV Broadcasters radar as a Live match worth covering. Brilliant, thoroughly deserve their time in the sun, long may it last but not at Antrim's expense I hope.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 04/03/2016 18:00:28    1830847

Yeah it's great exposure for the Kerry hurlers playing a televised doubleheader with the footballers in Tralee. I hope they're well supported on the day.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 04/03/2016 18:56:57    1830857

This weekend there are 33 league games in hurling and football (17 in the NHL and 16 in the NFL). A huge weekend of action across the entire country. Here is a record of the time devoted to hurling and football on the RTE 6.01 News and Sport over the last 5 days in the lead up to these 33 games.

Monday Feb 29th - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Tuesday March 1st - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Wednesday March 2nd - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Thursday March 3rd - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Friday March 4th - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Total for the last 5 days in advance of the 33 games - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games.

In contrast here are the details for the coverage of Soccer and Rugby on the RTE 6.01 News and Sport over the last 5 days.
Soccer - 13 minutes and 20 seconds
Rugby Union - 6 minutes and 20 seconds

Something doesn't seem right here.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 04/03/2016 21:20:59    1830892

Media man, I would think that is because most GAA fans have only a passing interest in the league. Of course it's very important in terms of preparation for the championship but really at the end of the day that's what the second most important competition in the GAA calendar: a preparation for the only competition that really matters -- the championship. And unfortunately due to the lopsided nature of the championship (in football particularly, in terms of so many one sided games) the championship itself does not really grab the general public's attention anymore until it reaches the very latter stages. Outside of the competing counties, the wider public only begins to sit up and take notice from the provincial final stage onwards. It's a problem which the GAA needs to address but I cannot see it happening any time soon.

Regarding RTE's lack of publicity for league games, I would think that's been the situation right down through the decades. Is that RTE's fault? Not really. It reflects the reality of how the league is regarded even by GAA people themselves. In the meantime, rugby has turned professional and they have adopted an extremely professional approach towards promotion their various competitions, so when organisations generate publicity they will receive publicity.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2011 - 05/03/2016 09:53:35    1830915

People not interested in the league? Not on the evidence of attendance figures at league matches. Donegal v Mayo which I attended last week was very well supported. I heard estimates of over 10,000 for that match.Teams not taking league seriously? The oft repeated mantra by coaches and commentators alike is it is really important for a team to be in Division One (or Division 2 at worse).

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 05/03/2016 11:11:56    1830927

This weekend there are 33 league games in hurling and football (17 in the NHL and 16 in the NFL). A huge weekend of action across the entire country. Here is a record of the time devoted to hurling and football on the RTE 6.01 News and Sport over the last 5 days in the lead up to these 33 games.

Monday Feb 29th - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Tuesday March 1st - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Wednesday March 2nd - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Thursday March 3rd - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Friday March 4th - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games
Total for the last 5 days in advance of the 33 games - 0 minutes and 0 seconds devoted to Gaelic Games.

In contrast here are the details for the coverage of Soccer and Rugby on the RTE 6.01 News and Sport over the last 5 days.
Soccer - 13 minutes and 20 seconds
Rugby Union - 6 minutes and 20 seconds

Something doesn't seem right here.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:296 - 04/03/2016 21:20:59 1830892

Something has gone wrong here.

The rugby coverage I've no problem with, it's the height of their season.

0 minutes of GAA coverage this week is shocking though.

Some tasty fixtures this weekend too. How many are going to be at the Dublin Cork double header? Surely those games alone deserve some preview coverage.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4513 - 05/03/2016 11:29:58    1830932

Mod, you seem to have misread my post. I never said people had no interest in the league...I said they have a passing interest in it, and at this early stage of the season of course you will get some good attendance's. But at the end of the year, will anybody really care what the result of any of these league matches were? Will anybody remember the results? The real die hards may do so but the vast majority of middle ground GAA people won't have a clue. The league is a competition that holds interest while it is on and is soon forgotten..its interest is as about as enduring as summer snow. People will go to the games if they are free and have nothing else planned but they are not going to cancel holidays or miss family events to attend matches And I never said that teams don't take the league seriously. Of course they do. They have to, because if a team doesn't do well in the league they usually don't do well in the championship either.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2011 - 05/03/2016 11:41:25    1830934