Right on cue :-)

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/02/2016 18:33:30    1826825

average attendance is 70000 per game or so therefore its one of biggest in terms of attendance per game on average....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:10901 - 20/02/2016 12:15:40


But that still doesn't explain why you consider it a major world sporting event. If 70,000 turn up to camal racing in Saudi Arabia, does that make it a world event? Or does the fact the English premier league has a smaller average attendance than the 6nations mean it's less significant to an international audience? Does Dublin footballers ability to regularly draw 80,000+ attendances make them a major world sporting event?

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 20/02/2016 19:01:52    1826829

Good point Extranjero. However it will be lost on Ormond. You note that he also claimed he said it had some of the highest in TV viewing as well. The three issues here are: (1) he didn't say where in the global popular rankings rugby is (2) provided no statistics or evidence on global TV viewership to back up his claim and (3) he is just making up an argument to suit himself.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/02/2016 10:18:10    1826876

But that still doesn't explain why you consider it a major world sporting event. If 70,000 turn up to camal racing in Saudi Arabia, does that make it a world event? Or does the fact the English premier league has a smaller average attendance than the 6nations mean it's less significant to an international audience? Does Dublin footballers ability to regularly draw 80,000+ attendances make them a major world sporting event?
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts:38 - 20/02/2016 19:01:52TV figures, average attendance, high quality of affair. Its one of the world biggest sporting events. I could post countless links of websites stating that. Your point about premier league is nonsense. 6 Nations is fairly unique in many ways in how its ran and history of rugby etc makes it a major world sporting event

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/02/2016 11:19:54    1826888

As he might say himself, to all extents/purposes (sic) I think Ormo is on the wind-up here. I half thought he was being serious until he mentioned the high quality of affair (sic)! Would any of these countless websites have the combined viewing figures for the major world sporting event that is the 6nations in Asia, Africa and the Americas?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/02/2016 12:20:48    1826899

As he might say himself, to all extents/purposes (sic) I think Ormo is on the wind-up here. I half thought he was being serious until he mentioned the high quality of affair (sic)! Would any of these countless websites have the combined viewing figures for the major world sporting event that is the 6nations in Asia, Africa and the Americas?
Soma (UK) - Posts:1292 - 21/02/2016 12:20:48You complete hypocrite!
Calling me a wum when you spell my name in a format deliberately to antagonise me.
use this website etc
http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and_insights/a_commercial_guide_to_the_six_nations

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/02/2016 12:48:56    1826909

The history of rugby? As what exactly? A white man's sport played in France Italy and the remnants of the British empire. I would wager that every country in the world with a population over 1 million can boast an event with attendance over 50000 people. It's typical of the rugby attitude that they believe their sport to be relevant worldwide. This is a residue of the origins in a network of privileged schools and areas that were inwards rather than outwards looking. Feeding into this is the attitude of inferiority of our culture to all things British that many rugby people , including some on here seem to retain. The six nations while a large event, retains its bloated sense of importance due to the high numbers of social elite in the sports media.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 21/02/2016 13:12:10    1826912

 I would wager that every country in the world with a population over 1 million can boast an event with attendance over 50000 people.

Wager accepted -
Swailand population 1.1m
East Timor population 1.2m

We're all ears...

RangersFan (Dublin) - Posts: 117 - 21/02/2016 15:36:47    1826949

It's typical of the rugby attitude that they believe their sport to be relevant worldwide. This is a residue of the origins in a network of privileged schools and areas that were inwards rather than outwards looking. Feeding into this is the attitude of inferiority of our culture to all things British that many rugby people , including some on here seem to retain. The six nations while a large event, retains its bloated sense of importance due to the high numbers of social elite in the sports media.

So every rugby supporter with their 'rugby atitude' is an elitist snob while all GAA people are broadminded all-inclusive socialists ? Where do GAA people who play and/or support rugby sit in your claim?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7919 - 21/02/2016 15:57:43    1826966

Most support gaa but whilst they wear their English club soccer jersey or provincial jersey openly I will bet that most would be conscious of the reaction if wearing their county gaa jersey. Now what you need to do is HONESTLY tell me that is not true!

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 21/02/2016 17:02:26    1826992

Why does anyone let it worry them so much what other sports do? Or what coverage they get? The pettiness of it is unreal, and this topic even existing is embarrassing when it seems to be just "our own" who are transfixed by the taught of another sport getting popular.. do you think rugby/soccer care so much or even talk about GAA coverage? You would swear some on here would like us to go back to banning sports..If you dont like certain sports on tv dont watch them, simple. I watch all major sports with GAA club championship being the best in my few on tv, but i dont get upset that its on so little, instead learn and understand other sports and you begin to enjoy them too, but dont start crying that it will be the ruination of GAA, instead be proud that our own organisation has become established enough to withstand competition from any corner..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 167 - 21/02/2016 17:14:20    1826997

Ormo that's a link to a website of a company who make their money hyping the commercial side of sport but not a mention in it about actual viewership figures in the world's most populous continents as expected, mainly because there is next to no interest in it outside the 4 competing countries and a small handful of other rugby playing countries.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/02/2016 17:43:08    1827003

Why does anyone let it worry them so much what other sports do? Or what coverage they get? The pettiness of it is unreal, and this topic even existing is embarrassing when it seems to be just "our own" who are transfixed by the taught of another sport getting popular.. do you think rugby/soccer care so much or even talk about GAA coverage? You would swear some on here would like us to go back to banning sports..If you dont like certain sports on tv dont watch them, simple. I watch all major sports with GAA club championship being the best in my few on tv, but i dont get upset that its on so little, instead learn and understand other sports and you begin to enjoy them too, but dont start crying that it will be the ruination of GAA, instead be proud that our own organisation has become established enough to withstand competition from any corner..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts:7 - 21/02/2016 17:14:20 1826997

Good post

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4504 - 21/02/2016 18:25:10    1827011

It's, sadly, very much true Sceptical. You hit the mail on the head there. I think it's truer more with younger supporters. They've been programmed by TV, Social Media, etc into thinking that soccer and rugby are 'cool' and GAA means bogger sports. Rather than thinking for themselves and appreciating sport because they like or love it and not because some Sheepster honcho told them what's fashionable and what isn't.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7919 - 21/02/2016 19:16:57    1827024

The history of rugby? As what exactly? A white man's sport played in France Italy and the remnants of the British empire.
I would wager that every country in the world with a population over 1 million can boast an event with attendance over 50000 people.
It's typical of the rugby attitude that they believe their sport to be relevant worldwide. This is a residue of the origins in a
network of privileged schools and areas that were inwards rather than outwards looking. Feeding into this is the attitude of
inferiority of our culture to all things British that many rugby people, including some on here seem to retain.
The six nations while a large event, retains its bloated sense of importance due to the high numbers of social elite in the sports
media.
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:374 - 21/02/2016 13:12:10The nonsense that rugbys just played in parts of british empire. How many clichés can you go through?

So every rugby supporter with their 'rugby atitude' is an elitist snob while all GAA people are broadminded all-inclusive socialists ? Where do GAA people who play and/or support rugby sit in your claim?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2136 - 21/02/2016 15:57:43 hahahaha spot on

Why does anyone let it worry them so much what other sports do? Or what coverage they get? The pettiness of it is unreal, and this topic even existing is embarrassing when it seems to be just "our own" who are transfixed by the taught of another sport getting popular.. do you think rugby/soccer care so much or even talk about GAA coverage? You would swear some on here would like us to go back to banning sports..If you dont like certain sports on tv dont watch them, simple. I watch all major sports with GAA club championship being the best in my few on tv, but i dont get upset that its on so little, instead learn and understand other sports and you begin to enjoy them too, but dont start crying that it will be the ruination of GAA, instead be proud that our own organisation has become established enough to withstand competition from any corner..
cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts:7 - 21/02/2016 17:14:20Spot on but you're new here and have yet to learn.....

Ormo that's a link to a website of a company who make their money hyping the commercial side of sport but not a mention in it about actual viewership figures in the world's most populous continents as expected, mainly because there is next to no interest in it outside the 4 competing countries and a small handful of other rugby playing countries.
Soma (UK) - Posts:1294 - 21/02/2016 17:43:08You cannot in any form lecture me when you deliberately spell my name wrong to antagonise me. all figures promoted like that in every way are done to hype the commercial side of sport in one form or another so this is nothing different.
To say there is limited interest outside the competing countries is nonsense.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/02/2016 19:53:30    1827036

Name one country outside of former British empire where rugby is one of most popular sports! Japan is in fairness one exception. However, the reaction of the world to their SURPRISE defeat of A TIER ONE NATION proves that rugby is an elitist old boys network sport. Rather than take the win on its merits the TRADITIONAL rugger nations treated it with the height of condescension. The fear of tier two nations or non elitist schools challenging the old boys is even greater than the fear of more popular sports. What the bandwagon ignored or were ignorant of was the fact that over 120000 adult men play rugby in Japan. That figure dwarfs the number in ireland.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 21/02/2016 20:41:19    1827052

 Sceptical
However, the reaction of the world to their SURPRISE defeat of A TIER ONE NATION proves that rugby is an elitist old boys network sport
Please Give examples of such elitism stating the clubs/schools involved. - I have asked you the same question previously in response to the posts below, with no answer forthcoming from you , which is interesting. I am wondering do you have any facts to back up such assertions

http://www.hoganstand.com/forum/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=92473
14/04/2015 17:30:20   How stupid can the gaa be? No way should those elitist rugger heads be allowed into any gaa stadium.

Page 13 of this thread
. If Juan Sebastian and gang show up on Sunday then these posh idiots will go back to bigging up a club competition that only the irish provinces take seriously. The gaa will survive this Anglicisation.
sceptical (Cavan) - 15/10/2015 21:21:12

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/02/2016 10:03:31    1827121

Scepticals posts in bold
The history of rugby? As what exactly? A white man's sport played in France Italy and the remnants of the British empire.
Yes - sure we all know the Fiji,Samoa, Tonga sides - full of white people!!
The six nations while a large event, retains its bloated sense of importance due to the high numbers of social elite in the sports media.
Please provide the names of these social elite
Name one country outside of former British empire where rugby is one of most popular sports! Eh France, Italy, Argentina even Georgia at a push.
the TRADITIONAL rugger nations why do you use the term rugger when nobody in ireland uses it oh yes silly me iyou are using in a derogatory fashion
The fear of tier two nations or non elitist schools challenging the old boys is even greater than the fear of more popular sports.
Well ard scoil ris and castletroy college in limerick have challenged the more traditional rugby schools. Some people argue that the lack of promotion of hurling outside of the MCCarthy cup counties is of a similar nature
What the bandwagon ignored or were ignorant of was the fact that over 120000 adult men play rugby in Japan. That figure dwarfs the number in ireland.
Yes but japan has a bigger populations

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/02/2016 10:07:37    1827123

I would wager that every country in the world with a population over 1 million can boast an event with attendance over 50000 people.

Wager accepted -
Swailand population 1.1m
East Timor population 1.2m

We're all ears...

RangersFan (Dublin) - Posts:105 - 21/02/2016 15:36:47 1

STill awaiting your reply sceptical - and while you are at it you may as well give me a breakdown to support your previous claim earlier in this thread that 100,000 regular attend national league games each week -

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/02/2016 10:10:34    1827124

Im more interested in the fact that there a 1 million people living in a country that doesn't exist, Swailand???

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 22/02/2016 11:00:05    1827141