Thomas Clark

"Yes, sadly, it is. But don't worry, there is a referendum coming up soon that will eradicate part of it, I'm sure you'll be delighted to hear".

No need for your facetious comment above, I'm well aware that there is a referendum coming up.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3051 - 12/03/2015 15:45:34    1702063

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No need for your facetious comment above, I'm well aware that there is a referendum coming up.
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Forgive me, when you said 'I haven't heard of discrimination against the LGBT community - is it widespread?', I assumed that you weren't aware of the current discriminatory laws throughout this island, hence I felt I needed to explain in simple terms.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 12/03/2015 16:22:27    1702074

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1702074 lilywhite1
County: Kildare
Posts: 2201

No need for your facetious comment above, I'm well aware that there is a referendum coming up.
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Forgive me, when you said 'I haven't heard of discrimination against the LGBT community - is it widespread?', I assumed that you weren't aware of the current discriminatory laws throughout this island, hence I felt I needed to explain in simple terms.


I don't think discrimination is exclusive to the LGBT people in our community, I think all people can face a wide spectrum of discrimination regardless of race, creed or sexuality.

By merely speaking of "The LGBT Community" or "The Traveller Community", people actually end up segregating them and highlighting their differences.

Need to start saying "OUR Community" and then speak of people within "OUR" Community. I think the GAA and all other sporting bodies need to stay out of Political referendums, and leave it to the government or constitutional committee to give people the honest facts of both arguments and let them decide for themselves without Influential figures Influencing them.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3032 - 12/03/2015 17:55:03    1702102

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Fair points there all right GaryMc82.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3051 - 12/03/2015 20:47:01    1702155

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I don't think discrimination is exclusive to the LGBT people in our community, I think all people can face a wide spectrum of discrimination regardless of race, creed or sexuality.

By merely speaking of "The LGBT Community" or "The Traveller Community", people actually end up segregating them and highlighting their differences.

don't agree with this. whilst there may be casual discrimination of all sorts of people, what we are talking about here is the law. If the discrimination is enshined in the laws of the country then that's a different story. there is no law in this country that states a red-haired man cannot marry a red-haired woman.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 13/03/2015 12:31:00    1702284

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1702284 GaryMc82
County: Derry
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I don't think discrimination is exclusive to the LGBT people in our community, I think all people can face a wide spectrum of discrimination regardless of race, creed or sexuality.

By merely speaking of "The LGBT Community" or "The Traveller Community", people actually end up segregating them and highlighting their differences.

don't agree with this. whilst there may be casual discrimination of all sorts of people, what we are talking about here is the law. If the discrimination is enshined in the laws of the country then that's a different story. there is no law in this country that states a red-haired man cannot marry a red-haired woman.

You missed my overall point, and I don't know the specific law detail regarding marriage or who can marry who.

I do reckon we should be looking at wider equality, and be looking to create a more broadbased anti-discrimination law to cover all people and all aspects of life. Otherwise we will end up with groups of people within "Our" community constantly fighting for "Their" sub-group and special rites.

It will turn into a "Trade Union" scenario, where if one group gets something, the other unions will want it too. Then the high skilled non-union or private sector people will end up worse off, regardless of their superb input into society.

Law should cover everybody in the country, and never be set up to cover small minority groups. If one person or group are entitled to do something, then everybody should be entitled to do it. I'm not talking about people of the LGBT sexuality or gender, I'm talking about other groups lobby groups too.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3032 - 13/03/2015 13:31:04    1702312

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County: Derry
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...I don't know the specific law detail regarding marriage or who can marry who.

I do reckon we should be looking at wider equality, and be looking to create a more broadbased anti-discrimination law to cover all people and all aspects of life. Otherwise we will end up with groups of people within "Our" community constantly fighting for "Their" sub-group and special rites.

It will turn into a "Trade Union" scenario, where if one group gets something, the other unions will want it too. Then the high skilled non-union or private sector people will end up worse off, regardless of their superb input into society.

Law should cover everybody in the country, and never be set up to cover small minority groups. If one person or group are entitled to do something, then everybody should be entitled to do it. I'm not talking about people of the LGBT sexuality or gender, I'm talking about other groups lobby groups too.
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To be fair, your opening line is very evident in your posts.

You call for anti-discrimination laws that cover everyone in our commnuity, yet miss the point that it is the current law itself which is discriminatory to, in this particular instance, anyone who identifies themselves as being LGBT. The highlighting of this group of people is not to entitle them to special privileges and set them apart from everyone else, but rather to give them the same rights as others. I take your utopian point about society being viewed as one big group, but the current laws in Ireland, North and South, actually promote division, and that is why the majority of people are keen to see them changed to become all-encompassing.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 13/03/2015 14:30:17    1702334