Does anybody know where to get viewing figures for Irish people (in Republic of Ireland) watching sporting events on the BBC? Tam Ireland does not have the figures. I ask as often some big sporting events are live on RTE and the BBC-for example the rugby and soccer world cup, the six nations, the Olympics etc. On occasion I watch a game on the BBC. I get tired of the RTE pundits (not that BBC are any better - a change is good) and there are no ads. Maybe others do as well.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 17/02/2015 14:15:21    1694363

the interest is there hill its quite simple...they show lots of games that dont involve the british sides...people have always been interested in the english sides...people also have a huge interest in the likes of madrid barcelona and munich..all round the competition is massive..in my opinion rte should cover whatever gets them good ratings and the soccer certainly does that...its the biggest club competition in the world in the biggest sport in the world..there isnt an argument to make that it shouldnt be covered...ireland rarely make the world cup or the euros either...yet of course they should be shown by rte as there is major interest in them from the public whether we are involved or not as the tv figures show

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/02/2015 14:28:29    1694368

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la liga and bundesliga are three team leagues then what is the english league haha
theres only two in it who have a chance of winning it before ball was kicked
and only one realistically has a hope of getting anywhere in europe
the scottish league is diabolical
and has a scottish team ever got out of the group stages?
it may be a matter of opinion but in order to make a decision would you not have to be given access to all leagues to decide?
by only lambasting irish people with british clubs how are they going to make a proper call?
Irish players only go to england because of the publicity its all boils down to the same thing at the end of the day
if our national media and tv covered spanish football in the same light as british do you think for one minute
anybody would rather leave ireland to live in england or scotland ahead of sunny spain haha
sure you have to play england to get into the irish soccer panel basically
as it was shamefully proved a few years back when the goalkeeper murphy left bohs on the monday to join an english club
the very next morning he got a call up to the irish panel.
its not a gaa thing its a sport in ireland problem with rte
they dont show the national marathon
they dont show the national boxing championships
for the national brodcaster its kind of embarrasing considering they considering they can screen live the national rugby reserve team.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2015 14:52:17    1694380

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Fair point Joxer. What do you think about this as I've little faith in GAA to market our games propely :
Dublin will be full of tourists, many American, for St Patricks day.The parade finishes about 2, we should encourage them to go to the Club Finals, a proper feast of culture, instead of thronging into Temple Bar at 2 o'clock? Proobably the only day this year, barring re-fixtures, that decent, inrense, games of hurling and football will be on the same day. Something memorable for them to see on their visit.

there was about 25 tourists on hill16 alone for dublin v galway at the start of the walsh cup match
they had been to jameson earlier in the day and I understand the game in croke park was advertised to them there
so in fairness their is work being done towards tourists in dublin anyway
as I have noticed plenty of them on hill16 throughout the summer aswell.
as for st patricks day its not a great day to buy a ticket for naybody never mind a tourist
a couple of years ago I went down after the parade to buy a ticket and go in
I stood in q for 30 minutes and was still way back from the van so just went home
I know if I was on holidays and I seen that q I wouldnt even bother

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2015 14:58:31    1694384

you are showing nothing more than your bias against british soccer here hill and its clouding your viewpoint..scottish teams have qualified from the groups on numerous occasions..celtic managed it recently the year they bet barcelona....most soccer fans have access to all the leagues in this day and age and are pretty informed about who the best is...rte are going to show the teams which get them the best viewership...man utd and liverpool and celtic before the scottish league got terrible would be the best teams to get viewership for rte as they have big fanbases in ireland..its simple logic...it actually is a gaa problem as the figures somebody posted before show...the gaa league and club championship deliver excellent viewing figures and it simply goes against any sort of logic to not cover them on rte as they have a proven track record of getting big viewership...i agree the boxing should definitely be shown considering how good we are at it worldwide and the interest is there...people are a lot more interested in the gaa league then a reserve rugby team, womens rugby and underage rugby...its simple bias shown here..however there is no argument against the champions league as it gets huge viewership across the world..hence why every tv network in every country wants to show it..rte is no different

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/02/2015 15:59:38    1694411

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the interest is there hill its quite simple...they show lots of games that dont involve the british sides...people have always been interested in the english sides...people also have a huge interest in the likes of madrid barcelona and munich..all round the competition is massive..in my opinion rte should cover whatever gets them good ratings and the soccer certainly does that...its the biggest club competition in the world in the biggest sport in the world..there isnt an argument to make that it shouldnt be covered...ireland rarely make the world cup or the euros either...yet of course they should be shown by rte as there is major interest in them from the public whether we are involved or not as the tv figures show

im not saying they shouldnt be covering champions league soccer
make that point clear with you as you seem to think I am.
the point im making is they only show british teams for you sensitivity 99% of the time then.
did you evr ask yourself why people in irelnd have a huge interest as you put it in english clubs?
yes the champions league is a big sports event but alas so is american football a huge sporting event
and you went to town on rte for covering that for the same reasoning that it had nothing to do with ireland.
as for the ratings I wouldnt be to sure they get big viewership
when you look at the lists each year the champions league final not to mention the earlier games
never seems to be high on the list.
its the fact again they are coming at the expense of sport in ireland national sports should be covered first and foremost
by the national brodcaster

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2015 16:20:07    1694428

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you are showing nothing more than your bias against british soccer here hill and its clouding your viewpoint..scottish teams have qualified from the groups on numerous occasions..celtic managed it recently the year they bet barcelona....most soccer fans have access to all the leagues in this day and age and are pretty informed about who the best is...rte are going to show the teams which get them the best viewership...man utd and liverpool and celtic before the scottish league got terrible would be the best teams to get viewership for rte as they have big fanbases in ireland..its simple logic...it actually is a gaa problem as the figures somebody posted before show...the gaa league and club championship deliver excellent viewing figures and it simply goes against any sort of logic to not cover them on rte as they have a proven track record of getting big viewership...i agree the boxing should definitely be shown considering how good we are at it worldwide and the interest is there...people are a lot more interested in the gaa league then a reserve rugby team, womens rugby and underage rugby...its simple bias shown here..however there is no argument against the champions league as it gets huge viewership across the world..hence why every tv network in every country wants to show it..rte is no different

if anything your showing your bias to a sport you like here in soccer
as oppossed to your assesment on the situation when rugby is involved which you obviously dont like.
its clearly dictating your way of how rte should work as you are criticising them for over showing rugby
but prasing them for over showing champions league
and the fact that the rugby coverage they show is national and irish teams would actually be a stronger argument
than the champions league which has no irish involvement.
scottish soccer is not champions league level at all
its a diabolical league that has only had two winners for the last decades and now only will have one winner for the forseeable future. you again presume most people have access to soccer in other countries but we are discussing rte here
and what they are showing the irish public and if anything that point furthers to proof that there aint a need to show
british soccer teams at all as an overhwhelming amount of the country would have more access to their games
as they are on regular tv stations as oppossed to the other european clubs.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2015 16:29:12    1694434

17/02/2015 14:15:21
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Does anybody know where to get viewing figures for Irish people (in Republic of Ireland) watching sporting events on the BBC? Tam Ireland does not have the figures. I ask as often some big sporting events are live on RTE and the BBC-for example the rugby and soccer world cup, the six nations, the Olympics etc. On occasion I watch a game on the BBC. I get tired of the RTE pundits (not that BBC are any better - a change is good) and there are no ads. Maybe others do as well.Contact the BBC directly as they might know where you could find out.
17/02/2015 14:28:29 fabio8
the interest is there hill its quite simple...they show lots of games that dont involve the british sides...people have always been interested in the english sides...people also have a huge interest in the likes of madrid barcelona and munich..all round the competition is massive..in my opinion rte should cover whatever gets them good ratings and the soccer certainly does that...its the biggest club competition in the world in the biggest sport in the world..there isnt an argument to make that it shouldnt be covered...ireland rarely make the world cup or the euros either...yet of course they should be shown by rte as there is major interest in them from the public whether we are involved or not as the tv figures show fair points

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/02/2015 16:55:45    1694459

17/02/2015 14:52:17 hill16no1man
Irish players only go to england because of the publicity its all boils down to the same thing at the end of the day
if our national media and tv covered spanish football in the same light as british do you think for one minute anybody would rather leave ireland to live in england or scotland ahead of sunny spain haha
sure you have to play england to get into the irish soccer squad basically as it was shamefully proved a few years back when the goalkeeper murphy left bohs on the monday to join an english club the very next morning he got a call up to the irish squad.
its not a gaa thing its a sport in ireland problem with rte they dont show the national marathon they dont show the national boxing championships for the national brodcaster its kind of embarrasing considering they considering they can screen live the national rugby reserve team. Irish players go to England because the standard is higher not the publicity hill. How in gods name do you think they only go because of the publicity. You have to play in England to basically play for the Irish team as the standard of play is much higher in England at the top levels and if you're preforming there you should be in the irish squad.
17/02/2015 15:59:38
fabio8
i agree the boxing should definitely be shown considering how good we are at it worldwide and the interest is there...people are a lot more interested in the gaa league then a reserve rugby team, womens rugby and underage rugby...its simple bias shown here..however there is no argument against the champions league as it gets huge viewership across the world..hence why every tv network in every country wants to show it..rte is no different There isn't a bias. Prove it and contact RTE to say theyre acting unethically and contact BAI to say theyre acting unethically and see what happens?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/02/2015 17:00:41    1694465

where did i go to town on rte covering american football?..again you have completely misinterpreted what i said..i like rugby..proper rugby as in the actual national side not the reserve team side..i do hate the preferential treatment it gets in this country though..its clear you have a bias against british soccer..dont pretend otherwise...you compared american football and the champions league which makes 0 sense..soccer is huge in this country..american football is not..it doesnt matter if the national team is involved or not..its all about viewership..the champions leauge viewing figures dwarf those for the added on rugby stuff outside of the national side..scottish soccer is not at champions league level anymore no..you said they never qualified from the group..they have in the past..everybody knows that league has been on a rapid decline since the collapse of rangers...the champions league is on a variety of channels for viewers like sky and itv which probably doesnt help rte viewership but it still does very well...i have a problem with rte showing reserve team,womens and underage rugby as there is no interest there and its directly at the expense of sports like gaa and soccer where there is a much bigger interest..people support those sides its quite simple as to why they are shown..english soccer is big here and always has been..its the most popular league in the world to watch as shown by the sums the viewing figures cost

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/02/2015 17:40:37    1694486

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your missing the point here though
the premier league is actually identical to whats happening in this country with rugby
the league of ireland used to be huge here before tv arived
then an over exposure of one countries league (england) led to its decline
now you use the great marketing tag line that its the most popular league in the world
or as the tv in england like to claim (amazingly) the best league in the world
thats exactly how its gotten so big
they kept telling people and giving them an oversaturation of the game which leads to new generations growing
up thinking it is this and that its always been this way.
thats exactly the same situation rugby in ireland is heading at the moment
we are been given an over saturation of the sport which does not stack up to the factual reality and truth
but to the sheep culture they buy into this and believe tag lines and marketing stratgeies
and think rugby must be the biggest sport in ireland as why else would it be covered to such an extent
its basically brainwashing to a degree without any factual reasoning behind it all.
think santa claus my friend and look wha can be achieved
the birth of the saviour of the world has now become most known as a day when you get presents from a made up figure
thats how powerful it can be.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2015 18:13:40    1694500

no offence hill but you have strayed completely into hyperbole here now..the league of ireland was never that big..you are talking about 50 years ago here when sport on tv wasnt big...english football has always been huge in ireland just the premership made it even bigger as soccer on tv exploded then to the monster that it is now..my viewpoint is hill that if something draws good viewership on rte then it should be shown..the gaa no matter who is involved always seems to draw major viwership therefore it should be shown...the 6 nations also gets good viewership hence why it gets the coverage it gets and no issue there..same with the champions league..we arent going to agree its quite clear but my opinion basically is that whatever draws viewers should be shown and gaa whether its the league or championship seems to consistently draw viewers

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/02/2015 20:09:22    1694533

Your last post hill is an insult to people's intelligence . People chose the sports they wish to follow on the basis of what they like . Nothing more, nothing less . The Heineken Cup was a great competition and people enjoyed it . There is huge interest in The Premiership in Ireland . The same is true of The Champions League. One point you could make against RTE is their dropping of The Premiership programme on a Saturday night whilst increasing rugby coverage . That clearly indicated where their loyalties lie .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 17/02/2015 20:10:04    1694534

it is the most popular league in the world..the facts speak for themselves..i am dealing with facts

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/02/2015 20:10:08    1694536

of course greengrass..nobody disputes the 6 nations being shown including the matches not involving ireland...its showing womens rugby, underage and even the pro 12 before rte were outbid that people have issue with..and who can forget the reserve team

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 17/02/2015 20:23:58    1694543

The relative popularity of the different team sports in Ireland can be gauged in three ways, attendances, viewing figures and general participation levels. Football/hurling paid attendances are far higher across the year than any other sport. We already know that. The viewing figures for the GAA family of football/hurling/ladies football and camogie as shown by recent posts are also higher and if further proof is needed to support the dominant position of the GAA in Irish sport it comes from the Sports Council's 2013 Report which shows the national participation levels at 4.3% for football/hurling as opposed to just 1.4% for rugby union. A ratio of 3:1. Which makes our 'public service' broadcaster's concentration on rugby union all the more bizarre and unjust. And the difference in favour of rugby union seems to be increasing rather than levelling off.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 19/02/2015 19:58:46    1695131

The Dublin Chamber of Commerce estimates that each rugby union international in Dublin brings in 20 million euro. The Chambers of Commerce in London, Cardiff, Rome, Paris and Edinburgh presumably have similar estimates for the games hosted by those cities. In 2015 the Irish international rugby union team will play 4 matches in Dublin and at least 9 matches abroad. So that's 80 million coming into our economy and 180 million going back out. In other words rugby union will be taking 100 million euro net out of the Irish economy this year (plus another 60 million euro if as expected they reach the Rugby Union World Cup Final). For some strange reason the Dublin Chamber of Commerce seems unable to provide figures for football and hurling's economic benefit to our capital.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 20/02/2015 17:29:17    1695369

You're clearly a man on a mission Mediaman.

The DCC is a political body. Issuing stats on how many Tipp fans are going to travel to Dublin for a match and putting your finger in the air to estimate how much gargle they're going to buy in Coppers isn't headline making stuff. It also doesn't have the inward investment smokescreen slant to it and we all know that politicians love a story that makes it sound that they are doing a great job for poor 'aul Ireland. But we all know better and you have busted the 'Rugby is great for the economy' myth up above.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 20/02/2015 17:55:44    1695373

Oh dear...I do hope that last post was a joke mediaman.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 20/02/2015 18:10:21    1695376

Can anyone actually simply post how many games live games are being shown on RTE TV for rugby, soccer , football and hurling in 2015?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 20/02/2015 18:27:54    1695385