Ritz he was decent enough against a very poor drumalee side. they have been the whipping boys of div 1 all year

graveyardshift (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 26/09/2012 11:41:20    1273041

plenty other players in contention on current form but then its down to terry to pick them nit me

I would love to know who all these players we have that on current form should be playing with county.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 883 - 26/09/2012 11:41:40    1273042

I would love to know who all these players we have that on current form should be playing with county.

the county u21 has been in three ulster finals in a row. thats the guts of 40 or 50 players from them teams alone who have the quality but not the dedication. there is plenty of talent in this county. no dedication to the county team is what is wrong with Cavan. if terry hyland is givin time to gell a team together and with the right mix of youth and experience Cavan will be competing for silverware in years to come. the foundations are set so get behind the team and let them start building a succesful team

graveyardshift (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 26/09/2012 11:53:48    1273052

If you can bring players that will play for each other you are half way's there.
When you have too many individuals who really just want the lime light and are not willing to work for the ball or the team they are no value to anyone.
This sadly has been an Achilles heel for Cavan for far too long. If Mr Hyland brings in new blood great but they have to be willing to work for each other.
I am sure just like me many of you will have seen this match after match.
When a manager sends a team out with a game plan only for the players or should I say some individuals to do it their way well then it's a very hard call for any manager.
I hope to god Mr Hyland will remove these individuals and bring in team player's.
I am sure you all saw the Donegal match and the way the ball was laid to a player with more options we need this in Cavan.
Learn how to play the width of the park be aware and understand each other and be available for the ball at all times.
There are too many player's unwilling to work for the ball and really they make a managers job very difficult.
I expect one reason we have so many individuals playing for themselves around the country is this flipping man of the match award it should be done away with. More often than not it's a forward that gets this award but he can only be as good as his supply plain and simple.
Remove the man of the match award then maybe one might see more team play than individual play.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/09/2012 12:10:26    1273064

graveyardshift
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I would love to know who all these players we have that on current form should be playing with county.

the county u21 has been in three ulster finals in a row. thats the guts of 40 or 50 players from them teams alone who have the quality but not the dedication. there is plenty of talent in this county. no dedication to the county team is what is wrong with Cavan. if terry hyland is givin time to gell a team together and with the right mix of youth and experience Cavan will be competing for silverware in years to come. the foundations are set so get behind the team and let them start building a succesful team.

Thats a ramble and a half--- i said " I would love to know who all these players we have that on current form should be playing with county" --- From the games i have seen there are not many shown well even for their own club never mind the county and if you thing they are their who are they?

the county u21 has been in three ulster finals in a row. thats the guts of 40 or 50 players from them teams alone who have the quality

40 or 50 players who have the quality i dont buy into that some of those players are not good enough to play Senior intercounty football.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 883 - 26/09/2012 12:21:14    1273071

Sean

"Remove the man of the match award then maybe one might see more team play than individual play."

Your just ranting... i think making players have the same color laces on both boots would do more for team play than what you are suggesting. By that reasoning young Murphy from Donegal is not a team player cause he went off a won a man of the match award.

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 547 - 26/09/2012 12:55:47    1273104

Sean

"Remove the man of the match award then maybe one might see more team play than individual play."

Your just ranting... i think making players have the same color laces on both boots would do more for team play than what you are suggesting. By that reasoning young Murphy from Donegal is not a team player cause he went off a won a man of the match award.
ponger , 26/09/2012 at 12:55

Call it ranting all you like but my opinion is that it should be removed. McFadden Murphy and many others stood out on that pitch last SundayI am not talking about the man of the match at Croke park but now that you mention it maybe instead of blinkered individuals who will more than likely have players in their head before even a ball is kicked put it to an audience vote or something.

As I did not mention Croke Park lets come home ??

How many matches have you watched and saw players get the man of the match award just because of who he/she was, so it was easy.


I don't like the man of the match award for it's unfair on the other maybe 39 players that may have played in the same match it's my opinion and let me tell you not ranting as you say..

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/09/2012 14:00:05    1273170

your on another level Sean you really are....do away with MOTM? because the other lads will be upset! thats one of the stupidest things youve posted, and from you thats really something

milhouse (Cavan) - Posts: 469 - 26/09/2012 14:31:31    1273198

I think if we're ever going to get a good team spirit at county level, we need to respect county players in club games. I've seen county players playing for their clubs, and they are targeted for abuse. The mentality in Cavan is that we want to see the star man fail when he takes to the field for his club.

Talking to a Mayo man last night, and he said Mayo's county players are given the utmost degree of respect when they play club games. It seems to be the opposite in Cavan, a place where bitterness and jealousy of those who are on the county is rife.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 26/09/2012 14:50:41    1273229

your on another level Sean you really are....do away with MOTM? because the other lads will be upset! thats one of the stupidest things youve posted, and from you thats really something
milhouse , 26/09/2012 at 14:31


The words that I would like to say you hoganstand will not print them so in a nutshell there are many others that feel as I do about this and remember its my opinion for it undermines the other player's on the field of play.
If you don't understand what I am saying well why not meet me someday and I will elaborate to you why I disagree with it.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/09/2012 15:23:09    1273259

In relation to the man of the match awards in finals in Cavan it should be done away with or else done right.

The majority of times it will go to the county man whether he was the best player on the field or not.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 883 - 26/09/2012 15:44:25    1273274

^^^^^^^^^^totally agree

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1729 - 26/09/2012 16:28:01    1273305

totally agree the MOTM award should be done away with or done right. i remember in the 2010 intermediate final between Drumlane and Drumalee Micheal Brennan got man of the match for scoring 4 or 5 points mostly from frees. he was givin MOTM. i myself and alot of other people i was at the game with thought Drumalees young wing Reilly i think his name was deserved it was outstanding that day stopping most of drumlanes attacks and setting up most of Drumalees. Micheal Murphy was quoted in one of mondays papers (dont remember what one) saying if it wasnt for the rest of the team supplying him with the quality ball he wudn of played a good game. its nice to see such a humble player acknowledging the group of players around him and taking all d focus off himself. these are the type of players cavan need if they want to win anything.

graveyardshift (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 26/09/2012 16:42:49    1273318

Give you an example I was asked to pick the MOTM player at a Minor final last year and another person also was beside me doing the same thing. I was shocked to listen to him so and so played for the minor county team and this and that. He went on so much until I said to him if you all ready have the MOTM picked why go on. Well to cut a long story short I put an end to his rant and he was totally shocked when I said the centre half back was MOTM and when I gave my reasons Matt who asked me agreed with my selection as well.
I did it but I don't think we should have a MOTM award for as I and others have stated it takes away from the input of others.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/09/2012 18:17:14    1273382

How does it take away the input of others? Do you think Donegal were worried at the end of the game sunday who won the man of the match. Same with whoever wins on Sunday between Kinsgcourt and Mullahoran. Its an individual thing, 15 players and the subs won the All Ireland for Donegal on Sunday.The man of the match is only a minor thing.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2872 - 26/09/2012 19:37:50    1273457

How does it take away the input of others? Do you think Donegal were worried at the end of the game sunday who won the man of the match. Same with whoever wins on Sunday between Kinsgcourt and Mullahoran. Its an individual thing, 15 players and the subs won the All Ireland for Donegal on Sunday.The man of the match is only a minor thing.
FoolsGold , 26/09/2012 at 19:37
I am not all that sure Fool my post is not directed at Croke Park its directed at our own matches here in Cavan. If you are going to pick a man of the match please use 4 people who will pick the MOTM for what he/she has done on the day and not who he/she is or who his/she Daddy/Mammy is. Sorry it's a distraction thats not needed and the reward is a nice item let me tell you.
My opinion it's not needed and I am entitled to this opinion.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 26/09/2012 20:11:54    1273487

I thought you meant the GAA overall. Rarely a defender would get MOTM in Cavan.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2872 - 26/09/2012 20:37:56    1273502

Clarke and Mc Loughlin in the full back line would most definetly the weakest full back line in Ulster. Seen what happened against kildare.

Mourinho688 (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 27/09/2012 09:13:23    1273572

who won the man of the match in the last 10 cavan senior finals... anyone any stats

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 27/09/2012 10:05:51    1273590

The cavan team next year should be training in gyms now ,
1) james reilly
2)damien barkey
3 oisin moynagh
4 fergal flanagan
5 james mcenro
6 alan clarke
7damien o reilly
8geroid mc
9 david givney
10 nial smith
11 jack brady
12 declan mc keirnan
13 oisin o connel
14 eugene keating
15 barry reilly

16 alan o mara
17 joe dillon
18 anton reilly
19 killian clarke
20 keith fannin
21 robert malony derham
22 nial mc dermot
23 conor moynagh
24 kevin tierny
25 gerry smith
26Ronan Flanagan
27 mossy corr
28 josh hayse
29 martin dunne
30 kevin meehan
31 mark mckeever
32 dane o dowd
33 podge reilly
34 antony gaynor
35 eddie reilly

starfish (Cavan) - Posts: 14 - 28/09/2012 14:00:49    1274263