Donegalman
County: All
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1023732 There needs to be a change of rule re kickout times and times taken to take frees. 10 second rule would sharpen things up.


And if we could stop goal keepers lying on the ground for 5 minutes when there is nothing wrong with them whatsoever, this would sharpen things up greatly!

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 31/08/2011 12:10:47    1023754

Cuchulainn,

You're spot on, Dublin have massively underachieved. One friend of mine actually blamed the influx of us culchies, but like you said and I agree with you, Dublin division 8 is a better standard than Division 2 or 3 in most other counties.

The problem from what I can see, is the training methods clubs use. i played for a while with a small club in South Dublin - Division 7 I think they were at the time. Training was run run run run run. I'd been playing Division 2 football in Kerry and we'd never run like it. The biggest difference was that at home, we'd run run run run run WITH the ball. In Dublin, we ran, then the ball arrived out at the end and we did some drills, a small sided game and we hit the showers.

At home, it'd be running early, some ball drills and long sprints, then full sized games without handpassing and the old one hop, one solo rule, points only. In Dublin, small sided games and handpassing. Very little kicking.

This lead to a skills shortage and a situation where you had 30, 40 or even 50 guys of county standard, but no-one outstanding. Dublin were a team of robots for a good part of the last decade, great athletes, thick footballers playing to a system. The worst example I saw was at an underage training session. One kid, about 14, was way ahead of his teammates. He was playing full back and at one point gathered the ball, soloed up the field, played a couple of one-twos and popped it over. The coach blew the whistle and gave him a lecture on "playing the system".

It seems they've changed emphasis now though, maybe the hurling approach has rubbed off on the football chiefs.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 31/08/2011 12:21:25    1023765

PJ
County: All
Posts: 2067

5mins? Go watch the RTE player... and failing that learn how to tell the time.

Break_er (Donegal) - Posts: 798 - 31/08/2011 12:32:43    1023791

@benjyyy Bet you next year they will play less defensively and sort out the link play into the forwards. Donegal had to do something about the defence this year but it was awful to watch. I cant blame Donegal for playing that way it won them the ulster final and the Division league title. I'm making the point is that its horrible to watch. Anyway looking for the final but I suspect Dublin are going to try to do a Donegal walled defence on Kerry .

spmccann (Dublin) - Posts: 209 - 31/08/2011 12:54:16    1023822

It must have been a 1st when by half time most of the neutrals were routing for Dublin, and not Donegal. Normally, Donegal would have had the goodwill of nearly all supporters in the country. But not this time! It was the worst semi-final, if not game i've ever seen. And the Dubs are what i would descibe as a defense orientated team. But at least the do try and play attacking football!

Donegal on the other hand tried to suffocate the life out of the game completely! If this is the style of football that there supporters are now so proud of - then i hope they never make it past a 1st round again! The Tyrone & Armagh teams were built on defense as are most Ulster teams - with the possible exception of Down who always try and have tried to play a more attacking brand of football! But the point is that the great Tyrone & Armagh teams were also able to play good attacking football as well.

This is an awful brand of football, and I will not watch a Donegal game again if this is the type of entertainment they are going to serve up! I would think TV3, RTE or the BBC will be very slow to televise their games next yr.

Rebel2010 (Cork) - Posts: 8 - 31/08/2011 13:10:42    1023843

Domination is coming, you our all going to be sick of the sight of us for the next fifty years winning all irelands for fun. God its going to be great.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/08/2011 13:20:01    1023850

spmccann
County: Dublin
Posts: 26

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@benjyyy Bet you next year they will play less defensively and sort out the link play into the forwards. Donegal had to do something about the defence this year but it was awful to watch. I cant blame Donegal for playing that way it won them the ulster final and the Division league title. I'm making the point is that its horrible to watch. Anyway looking for the final but I suspect Dublin are going to try to do a Donegal walled defence on Kerry .
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I agree with you its not nice to watch and I hope there is a big improvement in attacking philosophy next year. We are just happy to see the commitment and desire that has been sorely lacking for a long time now in Donegal. People mention how Tyrone and Armagh were defensive but had great attacks in years past. The thing is, we dont have the quality of forwards that those teams had. The players are just not in the county at the minute

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 31/08/2011 13:23:30    1023852

cuchulainn35
County: Armagh
Posts: 258

so according to your way of thinking china should be dominating every sport on the planet they have 1,339,724,852 people living in china.
now how many world cups in any sport have they won?

1 Chinan2 1,339,724,852 November 1, 2010 19.3% 2010 China Census
2 India 1,210,193,422 March 1, 2011 17.44% Provisional 2011 Indian Census result
3 United States 312,104,000 August 31, 2011 4.5% Official United States Population Clock
4 Indonesia 237,556,363 May 2010 3.42% 2010 Indonesian Census
5 Brazil 190,732,694 August 1, 2010 2.75% 2010 Official Brazilian Census results
6 Pakistan 177,086,000 August 31, 2011 2.55% Official Pakistani Population clock
7 Nigeria 158,423,000 2010 2.28% UN estimate for 2010
8 Bangladesh 151,181,000 August 31, 2011 2.18% Official Bangladeshi Population Clock
9 Russia 142,905,200 January 1, 2011 2.06% 2010 Russian Census
10 Japan 127,950,000 June 1, 2011 1.84% Official Japan Statistics Bureau
11 Mexico 112,336,538 April 15, 2011 1.62% 2010 final census result
12 Philippines 94,013,200 Mid-2010 1.35% National Statistics Office medium projection

how many of them have won the world cup in soccer? answer 1 brazil

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/08/2011 14:37:16    1023950

cuchalinn

cork has the most clubs of any of the 32 countys and howcome you pick dublin out
dublin 22 all irelands
cork 7 all irelands

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/08/2011 14:40:00    1023953

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hill16

To say Cork have underachieved is rubbish.

Cork
Hurling titles = 30
Football titles = 7
Total = 37

Dublin
Hurling titles = 6
Football = 22
Total = 28

Cork is a traditionally Hurling county Hill16. Football is the 2nd game down here.

In the 70's and 80's, the second best team in Ireland wasn't Dublin, it was Cork. The only reason it wasn't them claiming 4 in a row was because they came up against another great team in Kerry.

And just FYI:

1 China - Most popular sport is Table Tennis
2 India - National Sport is Cricket
3 United States - Baseball
4 Indonesia - Badminton
5 Brazil - Football
6 Pakistan - Cricket
7 Nigeria - Soccer
8 Bangladesh - Cricket
9 Russia - Ice Hockey apparently
10 Japan - Baseball
11 Mexico - Football
12 Philippines - Manny Pacquaio

So of the 12 countries you listed, only 3 really class football as their main sport. Of the 3, Nigeria has a barely functional league and Mexico are well known underachievers. Like Dublin.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 31/08/2011 14:58:02    1023977

the fact is diablo cork have more gaa clubs as cuchalinn tried to state dublin have plenty of clubs and should win more so why is he not pointing out anything about cork only having 7 all irelands to dublins 22.also numbers doesnt make you win anything is my point in clubs in dublin i have played in small clubs who could barely scrape 15 players against a club with 15 subs on the line and we still beat them ,so population amount of clubs or supporters dont mean a damn when you go out on the pitch its 15 v 15 regardless of the other rubbish

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/08/2011 15:15:55    1024000

diablo

In the 70's and 80's, the second best team in Ireland wasn't Dublin, it was Cork. The only reason it wasn't them claiming 4 in a row was because they came up against another great team in Kerry.


thats rubbish talk.
if that was the case you could say dublin have been the joint best team over the last decade without winning an all ireland as along with kerry they have lost the least amount of championship matches and of the ten teams that knocked them out 8 went on to win the all ireland

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/08/2011 15:20:53    1024015

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I'll accept that the size of a club's catchment has no real bearing on its achievements as 1 family of football animals (the O'Se's in An Gaeltacht for example) can turn an average club into an All-Ireland finalist.

It's different with counties because the more clubs you have, the bigger the pool of players to pick from => the better the selection of players should be.
Dublin has 2.5 times as many people as Cork to pick from. Dublin has roughly 90 clubs, Cork has about the same (going by numbers given here http://www.clubgaa.ie).

So, if we take the number of clubs as being pretty similar, population in Dublin being greater yet Cork's performances being superior, then I'd have to say Dublin have been underachieving. Cork and Kerry lead the table with 37 titles each, then Kilkenny with 32, Tipperary with 30 and Dublin with 28.

Look, the truth of it is, and you can forget the club and player numbers, Dublin have underachieved. There's a great history and tradition in Dublin. Loads of support and people willing to help their local club. That Dublin hasn't been winning more titles is disappointing for them, but as a Kerryman, and one of only 140,000 (10% of Dublin's population) we're happy to overachieve :-). although I could be disappointed on September 17th

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 31/08/2011 15:52:07    1024049

No Hill16, that doesn't make you the joint best team of the last decade. It might make you the second most consistent team though (but don't let the Tyrone lads hear us) or maybe its just a quirk in the fixtures. Limerick could probably claim that they've been unlucky not to win an All-Ireland as well though. After all, they've had the ill fortune to meet the defending All-Ireland champions or the incumbent All-Ireland champions almost every year over the past decade.

Besides, the last decade is different because of the qualifiers. Both Kerry and Dublin have beaten very poor teams along the way. I think only semi-final results should be used as this is generally where the 4 best teams do meet. Dublin haven't made a whole pile of semi's......4 since 2000 if I'm not mistaken and in 2 of those they've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

I think we're flogging a dead horse here. A poll would tell you that the vast majority would have Dublin down as bottlers or underachievers in the recent past.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 31/08/2011 16:09:29    1024072

Just to clarify a few things hill16no1man. Yes, Cork does have the greatest number of different clubs in the country - but dublin has the most players. About Half the number of clubs in cork will be hurling 1st, then football. The rest will be football, then hurling. There would be a number where its split 50/50.

Cork have been the most successful Dual county in the history of the GAA. The dubs have only got competitve in hurling again this yr after about a 70 year absense. Also, Cork are either top or close to the top when it comes to winning minor/u21 titles in either football or hurling.

And finally, the Dubs actually won the majority of there All-Ireland titles prior to 1925. Up to this point, the dubs were usually made up of players from the country. So if you compare the dubs and cork since 1925, its:

Dublin - 8
Cork - 5

Not a massive difference there!!

Rebel2010 (Cork) - Posts: 8 - 31/08/2011 17:12:47    1024135

Having been at the match on Sunday and bored to death at it thanks to the 'Dung-all' team, I sat down to endure it again on setanta last night!
Constantly, I found my tounge running over the cyanide pill I keep in the corner of my mouth as it often does when Im in the company of mayo or laois people.

Is it now high time that this cowardly dung-all team gave up 'football' and unmanliness for the sake of the country and the GAA!!

At least they got what they deserved!!.........CUMUPPANCE!!

I dont even want to mention their players names they were so unmanly!

Thank the Lord that for the sake of football Dublin won the game and 'dung all' got their CUMUPPANCE for being rubbish, cowardly and unmanly!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 31/08/2011 17:20:14    1024144

Well said Rebel10.

Just as an aside, since 1925, Kerry have won 30 :-)

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 31/08/2011 17:58:51    1024183

diablodeKingdom
County: Kerry
Posts: 120

1024072
No Hill16, that doesn't make you the joint best team of the last decade. It might make you the second most consistent team though (but don't let the Tyrone lads hear us) or maybe its just a quirk in the fixtures. Limerick could probably claim that they've been unlucky not to win an All-Ireland as well though. After all, they've had the ill fortune to meet the defending All-Ireland champions or the incumbent All-Ireland champions almost every year over the past decade.

Besides, the last decade is different because of the qualifiers. Both Kerry and Dublin have beaten very poor teams along the way. I think only semi-final results should be used as this is generally where the 4 best teams do meet. Dublin haven't made a whole pile of semi's......4 since 2000 if I'm not mistaken and in 2 of those they've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

I think we're flogging a dead horse here. A poll would tell you that the vast majority would have Dublin down as bottlers or underachievers in the recent past.

thats rubbish about limerick come off it limerick are nowhere near dublin as a football team,i spent time in limerick and the standard is awful there senior football team are not good just because they ran kerry and cork close a couple of times means nothing in terms of the all ireland,they had there chance in the qualifiers to play teams outside of them 2 and couldnt get anywhere until this year with the help of a dubious ref.dont get what your trying to say we lost 4 semi finals yes but nobody complained about that ,your statement of bottlers is untrue last sunday was a perfect chance to bottle it when they went down to 14 men and playing against a side who had almost every player inside there own 45 yard line but yet the dubs shook them off and battled there way to the final.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/08/2011 18:07:38    1024190

"And if we could stop goal keepers lying on the ground for 5 minutes when there is nothing wrong with them whatsoever, this would sharpen things up greatly"

Aye you are right.

i have watched the replay of the game a few times now, and believe it or not, Dublin were equally slow at taking frees. If Donegals ball handling skills had been sharper we would have scored a few more points. We were very ragged with our passing especially in the last 15 minutes.

Still, we can and will improve next year.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 31/08/2011 18:09:13    1024192

Rebel2010
County: Cork
Posts: 7

rubbish im talking about football only here so hurling is irrelavant dublin have won 22 all irelands say what you want about dates players,but when it was put to cork people about there last all ireland win(20 years ago before last year) that they possessed outside players they were saying it didnt matter the slightest whats good for the goose is good for the gander

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/08/2011 18:09:58    1024193