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Keep Or Adjust 2 Point Rule?

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "One thing I would change is free kicks should always just be one point"
You'd have some amount of fouling outside the arc then.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 32 - 01/08/2025 11:43:44    2629636

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Replying To Seanfan:  "You'd have some amount of fouling outside the arc then."
It's a no brainer. Must keep as it's contributed to the openess and skill of long range shooting that was otherwise lacking. Can't change it for frees as you rightly pointed out, there would be cynical play outside arc then. Wouldn't up the 3pt goal either. They need to do something about the handpassing which i think they are looking at.
The other thing which people are talking about Kerry running down the time with the shot clock. This argument doesn't stack up, Donegal chose not to engage and Kerry were still looking to score.
It's was just a terrible lack of judgement from Donegal.
Donegal were rightly punished. If Kerry just played keep ball and went into their own half before kicking it out, it would be a different story. The FRC are looking at that one and the way Louth went at it at end of Leinster final.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 01/08/2025 12:04:59    2629639

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I would keep it but increase goal to four
With the current 3/2/1 scoring I think teams will continue to adjust and focus on 2 pointers as the reward for a goal compared to the risk and difficulty wont be enough
So it will become a long-range shooting contest
Goals are a huge part of GAA (both football and hurling). Look at the excitement when a goal is scored compared to a point (or a 2-pointer)

Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 173 - 01/08/2025 12:52:05    2629643

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Frees shouldn't be allowed to be brought out for 2 pointers if the foul is committed inside, but apart from that, I would be in favour of keeping the 2 pointers.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1452 - 01/08/2025 13:17:08    2629648

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Keep the rule. It's contributed hugely to the game. Skill such as David Clifford's and Rory Beggan's should be rewarded.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6192 - 01/08/2025 13:29:18    2629650

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I'd keep the 2 point. One rule I'd add is if the attack brings the ball inside the arc they cannot pass it back outside it again.

I'd also add frees and sideline kicks can only go forward

boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 518 - 01/08/2025 13:56:00    2629656

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A couple of points, being allowed to take the ball outside the arch for a two pointer, no. Bring the arch out to the 50, at the minute these are tap over two pointers for men coming on the loop. No two pointers from frees, Whatever they bring in or change it's the same rule for all teams and at the minute it was Kerry who mastered them.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2396 - 01/08/2025 13:57:38    2629657

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yeas keep the 2 point rule. I think its early days yet and teams will get better at taking the opportunities. I'd be in favor of brining it out to the 50 as it would negate the short kickout aswell (which isn't a real problem any more).

The one thing i would look at it the ability to dispossess. I think we should allow a two handed tackle of some sort or leave the hand in. I don't want aussie style either but Its become too easy for teams to keep possession and no real incentive to tackle as chances are you give away a free rather than dispossess. Remember what gets a crowd going in a game is scores and dispossessions (sudden switch in play)

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 595 - 01/08/2025 15:01:15    2629662

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Replying To Commodore:  "Frees shouldn't be allowed to be brought out for 2 pointers if the foul is committed inside, but apart from that, I would be in favour of keeping the 2 pointers."
That isn't allowed under the current rules.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1446 - 01/08/2025 15:20:48    2629663

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I have started watching football after 20 years. Growing up in a football parish and a dad who excelled by any standards in the sport. It is much better but not quite there yet.
1. Goaltender must stay within 2o meters of his goalie. Ridiculous looking at a different shirt in the opposite end of the pitch.
2. Once the ball crosses the half way line the pass must' be forward until it reaches the 20 meter line. If a player gets the ball on the end line there is only way it can go is back.
3. After two hand passes the ball has to be played with the boot. It's football not basketball.
4.When time is up the hooter goes no matter where the ball is. Watching players with 5 minutes to go to half time or full time playing soccer with it. The supporters come to see a full game not time wasting.
The two point is a good addition but allowing the ball be brought out for a free and the game won this way a retrograde step.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3157 - 01/08/2025 15:39:10    2629665

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Keep but only from play. No way in hell frees should be worth 2

eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 227 - 01/08/2025 15:54:15    2629669

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2 points should stand regardless of another player getting a touch on the ball. It's such a dumb rule

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 01/08/2025 16:01:09    2629671

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Replying To eddieSize5Balls:  "Keep but only from play. No way in hell frees should be worth 2"
Reward fouling?
No!!

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 32 - 01/08/2025 16:22:15    2629677

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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns:  "I'd keep the 2 point. One rule I'd add is if the attack brings the ball inside the arc they cannot pass it back outside it again.

I'd also add frees and sideline kicks can only go forward"
I like the "forward" free & sideline kick.

Your arc restriction might be too much when it's crowded inside - my alternative is once 'inside the 45' allow the ball out ONCE to between 45-65 (not back behind 65).

Also, when between 45s (and can't play back behind 45), time limit of 20 seconds - ref 'unscientifically' calls "use it" at this point, and team has 10 more seconds to play ball forward to inside 45, or concede a free at midfield.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3326 - 01/08/2025 16:25:57    2629680

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The All Ireland final was noticeable for its lack of physical contact.

There was also no technical infringements (as no one wanted to had over 2 points) - so that threat is clearly working

However, we dont want a game of basketball so we need to allow a defender get some contact to stop a player

Current tackle definition

"The tackle is a skill by which a player may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the rules of fair play. The tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. The tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge) is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact can be a Fair Charge i.e Shoulder-to-shoulder with at least one foot on the ground. More than one player can tackle the player in possession."

Proposed Alternative
" the tackle.......fair play. The tackle can be either (a) aimed at the ball or (b) aimed to confront the opponent to slow or delay his progress. The tackler may use his body to either (a) confront the opponent (b) execute a fair (shoulder to shoulder charge) or (c) place his open hand on the opponents torso to delay his forward movement. Deliberate forcefull contact (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, tripping, jersey pulling, frontal shoulder charge, or a push in the back) is forbidden. All physical contact must be executed with at least one foot on the ground. Physical contact can only be executed on the ball carrier, when they are in an upright position and the ball carrier must be afforded a reasonable opportunity to dispose of the ball (either by kick or handpass) once physical contact has stopped their forward movement. If the ball carrier fails to release the ball in a reasonable time, a free kick is awarded to the tackler. No more than one player can execute physical contact on the player in possession.

Sheparding: When the ball is within 5 metres of an opponent, players can use their body to block or push and opponent provided the opponent does not have possession of the ball.
Screening: The act of an offensive player (not in possession of the ball) using their body to block a defender, freeing up a teammate to shoot, pass or otherwise progress forwards, is prohibited. Screening is to be considered a cynical behavioral foul.

The above text is a mixture of current AFL, Rugby Union and GAA tackle rules.

At the moment, most referees actually ref the tackle as per my proposed amendment and its called "letting the game flow".
So the only thing new to the above is to stop the screen - to give the poor 1 on 1 defender some chance. The tackled player also gets a change to play the ball away before being swarmed over by 2-3 guys.


If you have a two point shot, then you have to have a 2 point free if the shooter is fouled in the act of shooting. No need for a two point free for any other free.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1540 - 01/08/2025 17:45:03    2629694

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Replying To Canuck:  "I have started watching football after 20 years. Growing up in a football parish and a dad who excelled by any standards in the sport. It is much better but not quite there yet.
1. Goaltender must stay within 2o meters of his goalie. Ridiculous looking at a different shirt in the opposite end of the pitch.
2. Once the ball crosses the half way line the pass must' be forward until it reaches the 20 meter line. If a player gets the ball on the end line there is only way it can go is back.
3. After two hand passes the ball has to be played with the boot. It's football not basketball.
4.When time is up the hooter goes no matter where the ball is. Watching players with 5 minutes to go to half time or full time playing soccer with it. The supporters come to see a full game not time wasting.
The two point is a good addition but allowing the ball be brought out for a free and the game won this way a retrograde step."
4.When time is up the hooter goes no matter where the ball is. Watching players with 5 minutes to go to half time or full time playing soccer with it. The supporters come to see a full game not time wasting.
Canuck (Waterford)

I totally agree. The "hooter" was adopted based on the system in New York for approx. 70 years. The play is over as soon as it sounds, unless the ball has been played before it sounds and directly results in a score, in which case the score stands.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 764 - 01/08/2025 18:37:40    2629698

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Replying To eddieSize5Balls:  "Keep but only from play. No way in hell frees should be worth 2"
That's nonsense, there would never be a 2 pointer, just constant fouling to prevent them.

Longtimefirsttime (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 01/08/2025 18:50:56    2629701

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Get rid. Should be 4 points for a goal.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2567 - 01/08/2025 20:15:13    2629705

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Reward fouling?
No!!"
I dont think it's rewarding fouling. You still get an unpressured shot at goal if you want to take it. It might not be perfect but in my opinion its better than an unpressured kick for 2 points due to an innocuous foul.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1446 - 01/08/2025 21:24:42    2629710

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Replying To Longtimefirsttime:  "That's nonsense, there would never be a 2 pointer, just constant fouling to prevent them."
I really dont think constantly giving away frees on the 2 point line would be a winning strategy even for 1 point scores.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1446 - 01/08/2025 21:27:30    2629711

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