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Lads is there a 2-liner for the whole Tara Rocks / Kilanerin situation?
I know Kilanerin is there, Ballyfad, Hollyford.
Where is Tara Rocks catchment area and why did they agree to amalgamate if they had 30+ players?
Sorry if its obvious, I just don't know anything about it.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1493 - 22/09/2025 20:21:25
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What is the optimum number needed for a given year is 22 to 25 the perfect squad roughly 12 at each year . Where you have enough and if you have 3 or 4 mentors/coaches with each team you can give each player some dedicated one on one time if needed and work on smaller groups and possibly see more in depth of what the group need .
If fielding 2 teams you def would need 30 plus at each each up to u14 . Very hard to field 2 teams after u14 .
Larger squads
With 30 + to 40+ players . It becomes harder to train as a group do u split them does this say your not as good .Will parents react . How many coaches do you need . How do u determine squads for 2 different teams .
If yiu have a strong panel of 20 no tail due to numbers underage and then the also rans on the other team . Will or can players develop properly to be leaders or go to men if you team is sweeping all round . When your winning and are stronger due to numbers than another competing club .
Is it bit better to have up to age all on 1 squad and first year in age bracket as ur 2nd team .
Do you split the talent into 2 even groups and possibly win lower div but not compete as well as possible in higher div . But your stronger players are being challenged more as you won't have your 15 strongest starters on either team. Your club might demand success and u are told to put your best 15 on first team .
Lot of questions as to how best to balance big numbers at given age group.
Thats why I ask is 22 to 25 the best number . Where you can train and develop with smaller more compact unit. And be more familiar with their needs and becomexa group .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 456 - 22/09/2025 21:58:20
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Lads is there a 2-liner for the whole Tara Rocks / Kilanerin situation?
I know Kilanerin is there, Ballyfad, Hollyford.
Where is Tara Rocks catchment area and why did they agree to amalgamate if they had 30+ players?
Sorry if its obvious, I just don't know anything about it." Short answer is that there is no short answer, and definitely nothing approaching a two-liner!
Anyway - their catchment area is technically the whole of Gorey parish, but they traditionally draw from only a small rural part of one end of its outskirts. They've always said themselves, "from one square mile". Look up "Tara Rock GAA and Community Centre" and "The Bunker Bar, Knockavota" on Google Maps, and you'll get the idea of where.
History of the club in a nutshell is that it came and went a few times over the years, was always backboned by a small number of families when it operated. For all sorts of historic and local identity reasons, many of these were hardcore "don't want to be part of Gorey". They always identified more with rural Kilanerin up the road instead.
At the time of the amalgamation in 2017, they had about 20 active players. When questioned why there were 31 names in the first year's transfers, they said the others were lads who hadn't played in years, but were transferring anyway, "just in case".
Another consideration - but they won't say this too loudly - is that they had three or four good players who were only getting to play Junior 'B' with Tara Rocks. But by joining with Kilanerin/Ballyfad, those players were instantly able to play a few grades higher in both football and hurling.
Anyway, overall, Tara Rocks were fearful at the time of the original amalgamation that they'd drop below a critical mass of 18 to 20 players for fielding by themselves. The idea was that joining with Kilanerin would get them over the hump for a few years. But as is already well documented here, they're further away now from being able to field again by themselves than they ever were.
That's as short as I can make it. Sorry it's more than two lines!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3121 - 22/09/2025 23:21:59
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Lads is there a 2-liner for the whole Tara Rocks / Kilanerin situation?
I know Kilanerin is there, Ballyfad, Hollyford.
Where is Tara Rocks catchment area and why did they agree to amalgamate if they had 30+ players?
Sorry if its obvious, I just don't know anything about it." There is no catchment area for Tara Rocks as far as I'm aware. Their pitch would be closer to Naomh Eanna than Kilanerin. They aren't tied in with any local school as far as I'm aware. Gorey was obviously expanded rapidly population wise and that St Walerans site if it ever gets developed would be very close to them. There's absolutely enough of a population in Gorey to have two GAA clubs in the town but not easily agreed with Naomh Eanna.
Think it's time for the temporary arrangement here to be made permanent.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 446 - 23/09/2025 07:58:47
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Short answer is that there is no short answer, and definitely nothing approaching a two-liner!
Anyway - their catchment area is technically the whole of Gorey parish, but they traditionally draw from only a small rural part of one end of its outskirts. They've always said themselves, "from one square mile". Look up "Tara Rock GAA and Community Centre" and "The Bunker Bar, Knockavota" on Google Maps, and you'll get the idea of where.
History of the club in a nutshell is that it came and went a few times over the years, was always backboned by a small number of families when it operated. For all sorts of historic and local identity reasons, many of these were hardcore "don't want to be part of Gorey". They always identified more with rural Kilanerin up the road instead.
At the time of the amalgamation in 2017, they had about 20 active players. When questioned why there were 31 names in the first year's transfers, they said the others were lads who hadn't played in years, but were transferring anyway, "just in case".
Another consideration - but they won't say this too loudly - is that they had three or four good players who were only getting to play Junior 'B' with Tara Rocks. But by joining with Kilanerin/Ballyfad, those players were instantly able to play a few grades higher in both football and hurling.
Anyway, overall, Tara Rocks were fearful at the time of the original amalgamation that they'd drop below a critical mass of 18 to 20 players for fielding by themselves. The idea was that joining with Kilanerin would get them over the hump for a few years. But as is already well documented here, they're further away now from being able to field again by themselves than they ever were.
That's as short as I can make it. Sorry it's more than two lines!" Kudos Pikeman96, that is a good help to the uneducated here.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1493 - 23/09/2025 10:23:59
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Replying To Timbertony: "There is no catchment area for Tara Rocks as far as I'm aware. Their pitch would be closer to Naomh Eanna than Kilanerin. They aren't tied in with any local school as far as I'm aware. Gorey was obviously expanded rapidly population wise and that St Walerans site if it ever gets developed would be very close to them. There's absolutely enough of a population in Gorey to have two GAA clubs in the town but not easily agreed with Naomh Eanna.
Think it's time for the temporary arrangement here to be made permanent." Large part of the reasoning when the current arrangement was last extended by the County Board was the feeling that Gorey will eventually "need" two clubs. Was felt that would be better to keep Tara Rocks alive in the meantime so that they can be that second club, than allow them to die and then have to set up a second club from scratch.
Issue there is how the long-term "need" would be two clubs for Gorey. Not one club for Gorey and another club for a small part of it outskirts joined with the neighbours. So this would involve breaking the link with Kilanerin/Ballyfad, and Tara Rocks having to attract Gorey residents to join them rather than Naomh Éanna - i.e. the very thing they haven't been able to do so far, and that they're still not strong on plans for.
They (Tara Rocks) continue to put a lot of hope into what the St. Waleran's development might bring, but that's been rumbling on for years, and is still years away from fruition. Also, obviously no guarantee as to the numbers of people moving in there who'd want to get involved in GAA, or how many would choose Tara Rocks over Naomh Eanna.
Bit about St. Waleran's, for anyone who doesn't know what it's about:
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/gorey-news/number-of-houses-planned-for-ambitious-gorey-scheme-remains-shrouded-in-mystery/a1388136762.html
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3121 - 23/09/2025 10:40:14
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What is the story with the hurling relegation final .
With the change of football fixture dye to very sad bereavement in c/beg . Bith down fur fruday 26th imaging hurling will be moved as 1/4 finals football on weekend of 4th oct . Any new date for it.
Imagine Oylgate woukd prefer sooner than later .
As out of football too .
Be fairly well contested gane i d imagine . Be no love lost between them
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 456 - 24/09/2025 12:01:13
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Replying To Formertownie: "What is the story with the hurling relegation final .
With the change of football fixture dye to very sad bereavement in c/beg . Bith down fur fruday 26th imaging hurling will be moved as 1/4 finals football on weekend of 4th oct . Any new date for it.
Imagine Oylgate woukd prefer sooner than later .
As out of football too .
Be fairly well contested gane i d imagine . Be no love lost between them" The senior hurling relegation final has been postponed.
Intermediate hurling relegation final postponed too, as Gusserane are in that one.
No official new date for them yet, but presume they'll now be played same weekend as the hurling semi-finals (i.e. October 10/11/12), and probably on the Friday night.
As you point out, they can't be on the weekend of October 3/4/5, because both Gusserane & Crossabeg/Ballymurn will be playing football again that weekend. And I can't see any of the clubs involved in the hurling relegation finals either wanting or agreeing to play midweek sometime.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3121 - 24/09/2025 12:48:12
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Replying To Formertownie: "What is the story with the hurling relegation final .
With the change of football fixture dye to very sad bereavement in c/beg . Bith down fur fruday 26th imaging hurling will be moved as 1/4 finals football on weekend of 4th oct . Any new date for it.
Imagine Oylgate woukd prefer sooner than later .
As out of football too .
Be fairly well contested gane i d imagine . Be no love lost between them" Afaik it's been put back to the weekend of the hurling semis
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17106 - 24/09/2025 12:48:44
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Replying To Formertownie: "What is the story with the hurling relegation final .
With the change of football fixture dye to very sad bereavement in c/beg . Bith down fur fruday 26th imaging hurling will be moved as 1/4 finals football on weekend of 4th oct . Any new date for it.
Imagine Oylgate woukd prefer sooner than later .
As out of football too .
Be fairly well contested gane i d imagine . Be no love lost between them" Football vs Gusserane Friday night in the park at 7.30
Relegation final moved to following weekend, don't know where would be guessing Bellfield.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 24/09/2025 13:28:36
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Replying To Viking66: "Afaik it's been put back to the weekend of the hurling semis" Thanks, Viking.
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 456 - 24/09/2025 13:49:48
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Not much chat about this weekends games. Anyways listening to Ed Rowsome this morning on the Wexford Hurling Podcast. He is totally in favour of the current system, he put forward a passioned defence of it, saying that when the last round of the hurling came around, there was plenty on the line for teams jostling for position while the last round of the football, there were load of dead rubbers and was a bit of a damb squib. He says its good enough for Galway, Kilkenny, he mentioned another county but forget which.
I know what he says makes sense but for me, I dont really mind what version it is, but when you finish last you should be in a relegation final. Let the top 3 into a quarter final and the 4th and 5th playoff if you like. Or top teams into semis and next four play off or whatever works best but after 5 games you finish 6th, you shouldnt be getting a second chance. Will be interesting to see when it comes around next year.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 531 - 26/09/2025 09:09:31
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Not much chat about this weekends games. Anyways listening to Ed Rowsome this morning on the Wexford Hurling Podcast. He is totally in favour of the current system, he put forward a passioned defence of it, saying that when the last round of the hurling came around, there was plenty on the line for teams jostling for position while the last round of the football, there were load of dead rubbers and was a bit of a damb squib. He says its good enough for Galway, Kilkenny, he mentioned another county but forget which.
I know what he says makes sense but for me, I dont really mind what version it is, but when you finish last you should be in a relegation final. Let the top 3 into a quarter final and the 4th and 5th playoff if you like. Or top teams into semis and next four play off or whatever works best but after 5 games you finish 6th, you shouldnt be getting a second chance. Will be interesting to see when it comes around next year." Rowsome must really have the hurling blinkers on if he thinks Round 5 hurling was so much better than Round 5 football. And I say that as mainly 'a hurling person' myself.
It did strike me going into Round 5 football that in most of the groups, the qualifiers were already known, and that the matches themselves would really just be to decide finishing positions. Or in other words....the exact same situation as hurling!
But now, with the hurling blinkers on:
- Hurling: we already know who's through (everybody!), matches will decide finishing positions - great stuff, teams jostling for position, let's keep this system, it's working brilliantly.
- Football: we already know who's through, matches will decide finishing positions - bit of a damp squib.
They're two different views on two things that are very much the same.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3121 - 26/09/2025 10:29:19
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Rowsome must really have the hurling blinkers on if he thinks Round 5 hurling was so much better than Round 5 football. And I say that as mainly 'a hurling person' myself.
It did strike me going into Round 5 football that in most of the groups, the qualifiers were already known, and that the matches themselves would really just be to decide finishing positions. Or in other words....the exact same situation as hurling!
But now, with the hurling blinkers on:
- Hurling: we already know who's through (everybody!), matches will decide finishing positions - great stuff, teams jostling for position, let's keep this system, it's working brilliantly.
- Football: we already know who's through, matches will decide finishing positions - bit of a damp squib.
They're two different views on two things that are very much the same." Another argument was that a person being injured will miss games if it's a split season. So now a fella perhaps being injured and missing games is a reason to define a championship structure for the other 99% of club players. Don't agree with some of those arguments at all.
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 309 - 26/09/2025 11:58:13
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Rowsome must really have the hurling blinkers on if he thinks Round 5 hurling was so much better than Round 5 football. And I say that as mainly 'a hurling person' myself.
It did strike me going into Round 5 football that in most of the groups, the qualifiers were already known, and that the matches themselves would really just be to decide finishing positions. Or in other words....the exact same situation as hurling!
But now, with the hurling blinkers on:
- Hurling: we already know who's through (everybody!), matches will decide finishing positions - great stuff, teams jostling for position, let's keep this system, it's working brilliantly.
- Football: we already know who's through, matches will decide finishing positions - bit of a damp squib.
They're two different views on two things that are very much the same." Not quite sure which county you were watching round 5 hurling from. Every game in Senior, Inter and Inter A had major implications on knockout. A handful did in the football.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 903 - 26/09/2025 13:07:32
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Replying To WexMurph: "Another argument was that a person being injured will miss games if it's a split season. So now a fella perhaps being injured and missing games is a reason to define a championship structure for the other 99% of club players. Don't agree with some of those arguments at all." Its actually a very fair point. 1 hamstring injury- a guy misses entire championship. Any player would understand that as a good reason. And if you played at any level, you would know it affects approx 20% of players, not 1%.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 903 - 26/09/2025 13:23:03
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Replying To WexMurph: "Another argument was that a person being injured will miss games if it's a split season. So now a fella perhaps being injured and missing games is a reason to define a championship structure for the other 99% of club players. Don't agree with some of those arguments at all." I do agree with that to be honest, I didnt like the split season and happier the way it is, apart from the current structure.
Anyways looking toward this weeks games.
St. Annes v Naomh Eanna
Should be a very tight game, will be hard to call, Gorey again have improved as the year went along, while Anes have been consistant, will just abot give it to the Annes.
Harriers v Ferns
Again it could be another tight game, Ferns as other teams mentioned have improved as they went along. Think Harrier might go far this year even though they are missing the key players through injury.
Martins v Oulart
Really can only see one victor here. Oulart benefiting from the current system, Martins to win well, by 10.
Rathnure v Glynn
If both teams bring the same form from the groups stages, Rathnure should win this confrimatbly. Its hard to fathom Glynn, see they are in another premier minor final this year, its a mystery how these players arent coming through to the senior, they have a massive pick, I dont think they have anyone on the county team bar Fanning? Maybe i'll open to correction.
Intermediate
Liam Mellows v Fethard
Liam Mellows have surprised everyone, while Fethard as per last few years start very slowly and build there way in, I think this will be a game too far for Coolgreany, Fethard to win.
Cloughbawn v Tara Rocks/Kilanerin
Tara Rocks have really surprised me of late, They were impressive in their last game, while Cloughbawn have been cruising through. I might put my neck out here and it wouldnt surpirse me to see TR/Kilanerin pull off a upset
Buffers Alley v Horeswood
Dont think the men from ross will trouble the Alley, Horeswood poor most of the year but have won there last two games to get here, probably lucky in the pre lim while Alley will only improve.
St. James v Askamore
Askamore seem to have hit a rough patch as such in that they arent playing as well as there last year or earlier in the year. Jimmies seem to be coming together, bringing the form for past few years, Jimmies to win.
Inter A
Geraldines v Oulart
Geraldine have lost too many players, so Oulart to win.
Monageer v Cushinstown
Cushinstown have lost a lot of player and are probably lucky to be in the QF, Monageer are going about there business nicely. MB to win well.
Adamstown v Davidstown
Both teams coming into good form, going to say Adamstown.
Clongeen v St. Marys Rosslare
Dont know much about either team, Clongeen could be strong on their fay, going to say them
Taghmon v Duffry Rovers
Taghmon looking to come back up to Intermediate, Duffry up and coming team but think this will be a step too far.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 531 - 26/09/2025 13:48:19
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Replying To alwaysasub: "I do agree with that to be honest, I didnt like the split season and happier the way it is, apart from the current structure.
Anyways looking toward this weeks games.
St. Annes v Naomh Eanna
Should be a very tight game, will be hard to call, Gorey again have improved as the year went along, while Anes have been consistant, will just abot give it to the Annes.
Harriers v Ferns
Again it could be another tight game, Ferns as other teams mentioned have improved as they went along. Think Harrier might go far this year even though they are missing the key players through injury.
Martins v Oulart
Really can only see one victor here. Oulart benefiting from the current system, Martins to win well, by 10.
Rathnure v Glynn
If both teams bring the same form from the groups stages, Rathnure should win this confrimatbly. Its hard to fathom Glynn, see they are in another premier minor final this year, its a mystery how these players arent coming through to the senior, they have a massive pick, I dont think they have anyone on the county team bar Fanning? Maybe i'll open to correction.
Intermediate
Liam Mellows v Fethard
Liam Mellows have surprised everyone, while Fethard as per last few years start very slowly and build there way in, I think this will be a game too far for Coolgreany, Fethard to win.
Cloughbawn v Tara Rocks/Kilanerin
Tara Rocks have really surprised me of late, They were impressive in their last game, while Cloughbawn have been cruising through. I might put my neck out here and it wouldnt surpirse me to see TR/Kilanerin pull off a upset
Buffers Alley v Horeswood
Dont think the men from ross will trouble the Alley, Horeswood poor most of the year but have won there last two games to get here, probably lucky in the pre lim while Alley will only improve.
St. James v Askamore
Askamore seem to have hit a rough patch as such in that they arent playing as well as there last year or earlier in the year. Jimmies seem to be coming together, bringing the form for past few years, Jimmies to win.
Inter A
Geraldines v Oulart
Geraldine have lost too many players, so Oulart to win.
Monageer v Cushinstown
Cushinstown have lost a lot of player and are probably lucky to be in the QF, Monageer are going about there business nicely. MB to win well.
Adamstown v Davidstown
Both teams coming into good form, going to say Adamstown.
Clongeen v St. Marys Rosslare
Dont know much about either team, Clongeen could be strong on their fay, going to say them
Taghmon v Duffry Rovers
Taghmon looking to come back up to Intermediate, Duffry up and coming team but think this will be a step too far." Just on Glynn Darragh Carley is one of our best senior prospects. David Clark was involved but went traveling. I expect he'll be involved again.
One of the cooneys exceptional underage as well bit this is his first year senior.
I get you though, they seem to be consistently excellent at underage and nothing ever comes together at senior.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Not quite sure which county you were watching round 5 hurling from. Every game in Senior, Inter and Inter A had major implications on knockout. A handful did in the football." Depends how you define major. None of the hurling round 5 games could knock you out. We got knocked out of the Football because we lost our round 5 game by a point. A draw would've seen us through.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17106 - 26/09/2025 15:18:07
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Replying To Doylerwex: " Replying To alwaysasub: "I do agree with that to be honest, I didnt like the split season and happier the way it is, apart from the current structure.
Anyways looking toward this weeks games.
<b>St. Annes v Naomh Eanna</b>
Should be a very tight game, will be hard to call, Gorey again have improved as the year went along, while Anes have been consistant, will just abot give it to the Annes.
<b>Harriers v Ferns</b>
Again it could be another tight game, Ferns as other teams mentioned have improved as they went along. Think Harrier might go far this year even though they are missing the key players through injury.
<b>Martins v Oulart</b>
</b>Really can only see one victor here. Oulart benefiting from the current system, Martins to win well, by 10.
<b>Rathnure v Glynn</b>
If both teams bring the same form from the groups stages, Rathnure should win this confrimatbly. Its hard to fathom Glynn, see they are in another premier minor final this year, its a mystery how these players arent coming through to the senior, they have a massive pick, I dont think they have anyone on the county team bar Fanning? Maybe i'll open to correction.
Intermediate
<b>Liam Mellows v Fethard</b>
Liam Mellows have surprised everyone, while Fethard as per last few years start very slowly and build there way in, I think this will be a game too far for Coolgreany, Fethard to win.
<b>Cloughbawn v Tara Rocks/Kilanerin</b>
Tara Rocks have really surprised me of late, They were impressive in their last game, while Cloughbawn have been cruising through. I might put my neck out here and it wouldnt surpirse me to see TR/Kilanerin pull off a upset
<b>Buffers Alley v Horeswood</b>
Dont think the men from ross will trouble the Alley, Horeswood poor most of the year but have won there last two games to get here, probably lucky in the pre lim while Alley will only improve.
<b>St. James v Askamore</b>
Askamore seem to have hit a rough patch as such in that they arent playing as well as there last year or earlier in the year. Jimmies seem to be coming together, bringing the form for past few years, Jimmies to win.
Inter A
<b>Geraldines v Oulart</b>
Geraldine have lost too many players, so Oulart to win.
<b>Monageer v Cushinstown</b>
Cushinstown have lost a lot of player and are probably lucky to be in the QF, Monageer are going about there business nicely. MB to win well.
<b>Adamstown v Davidstown</b>
Both teams coming into good form, going to say Adamstown.
<b>Clongeen v St. Marys Rosslare</b>
Dont know much about either team, Clongeen could be strong on their fay, going to say them
<b>Taghmon v Duffry Rovers</b>
Taghmon looking to come back up to Intermediate, Duffry up and coming team but think this will be a step too far."</div>Just on Glynn Darragh Carley is one of our best senior prospects. David Clark was involved but went traveling. I expect he'll be involved again.
One of the cooneys exceptional underage as well bit this is his first year senior.
I get you though, they seem to be consistently excellent at underage and nothing ever comes together at senior." Think part of the problem is that they are TOO good at underage. Alot of their lads haven't got that inner dog, or drive to get better, that you get from having had to go to the well to win games coming up. Think that's why they haven't dominated at Senior, and haven't produced any top intercounty Senior outfield players in a long time.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17106 - 26/09/2025 16:11:34
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