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Clare, Limerick, Tipperary And Waterford Ruining Munster Football And All Ireland Championship?

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This year Kerry were 1.03 on Betfair to win Munster final against Clare. Dare I say that was value as they probably should have as low as 1.01. The last time Kerry lost in the Munster Champions hip to a team other than Cork was to Clare in the 1992 final. Kerry at present are so far ahead of the 4 weaker Munster counties. At least at times Cork are capable of putting it up to Kerry. A Cork v Kerry final will always draw a much larger attendance than other final combination and will be also be much more of an occasion both within Munster and nationally.
The new seeding arrangement for this year[and the next 3] gives the 4 weaker counties a chance of winning a Munster Championship game in the Quarter Finals before meeting Kerry or Cork in the Semi Finals. There is also the added incentive for these teams to gain a seeding by moving up the N.F.L and finishing above Cork. Currently this is entirely possible for Clare and Limerick but not so much for Tipperary and Waterford. So the ball is in the court so to speak of Clare Limerick Tipperary and Waterford to obtain a seeding on the field of play rather than bemoaning the new seeding arrangement. The seeding is open to all. It is not a closed shop. Though realistically there is just the one seeding spot available as it would be well nigh on impossible to see Kerry now or any time in the future finishing outside the top 2 Munster teams in the N.F.L.
A suggestion for the draw is to leave the draw for the Semi Finals until after the Quarter Finals are completed. It must be very daunting for a Q.F winner to know in advance [from the previous November when the full draw is made] that if they are victorious that a S.F against Kerry awaits. Much better if it is not known if it is Kerry or Cork that awaits in the S.F.

edu (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 17/08/2025 03:30:27    2632201

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Replying To edu:  "This year Kerry were 1.03 on Betfair to win Munster final against Clare. Dare I say that was value as they probably should have as low as 1.01. The last time Kerry lost in the Munster Champions hip to a team other than Cork was to Clare in the 1992 final. Kerry at present are so far ahead of the 4 weaker Munster counties. At least at times Cork are capable of putting it up to Kerry. A Cork v Kerry final will always draw a much larger attendance than other final combination and will be also be much more of an occasion both within Munster and nationally.
The new seeding arrangement for this year[and the next 3
gives the 4 weaker counties a chance of winning a Munster Championship game in the Quarter Finals before meeting Kerry or Cork in the Semi Finals. There is also the added incentive for these teams to gain a seeding by moving up the N.F.L and finishing above Cork. Currently this is entirely possible for Clare and Limerick but not so much for Tipperary and Waterford. So the ball is in the court so to speak of Clare Limerick Tipperary and Waterford to obtain a seeding on the field of play rather than bemoaning the new seeding arrangement. The seeding is open to all. It is not a closed shop. Though realistically there is just the one seeding spot available as it would be well nigh on impossible to see Kerry now or any time in the future finishing outside the top 2 Munster teams in the N.F.L.
A suggestion for the draw is to leave the draw for the Semi Finals until after the Quarter Finals are completed. It must be very daunting for a Q.F winner to know in advance [from the previous November when the full draw is made] that if they are victorious that a S.F against Kerry awaits. Much better if it is not known if it is Kerry or Cork that awaits in the S.F."]From reading your post what the new arrangement does is effectively give Kerry a bye to the final every year. At least the system that was in place meant that there was a possibility of Kerry meeting Cork in a SF and getting overturned, however unlikely, which meant that one of the other Munster counties would then have a chance of beating Cork in a Munster Final and becoming Munster Champions. The new system will ensure that Kerry or Cork will probably always be Munster Champions.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16874 - 17/08/2025 11:36:42    2632234

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Clare and Limerick as 3rd and 4th seeds should be seeded in the quarter final draw. That would be a better balanced draw. Mid ranked v lower ranked in the quarter finals. Higher ranked v quarter final winners in the semi finals. That's a matter for Clare and Limerick to push for. Only saying like!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9138 - 17/08/2025 19:07:24    2632293

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Clare and Limerick as 3rd and 4th seeds should be seeded in the quarter final draw. That would be a better balanced draw. Mid ranked v lower ranked in the quarter finals. Higher ranked v quarter final winners in the semi finals. That's a matter for Clare and Limerick to push for. Only saying like!"
They should probably just pull out of the Munster Championship. Along with Tipp and Waterford. Whatever chance they had of winning Munster by beating 1 of Cork and Kerry, they've pretty much no chance of beating both in the same season.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16874 - 17/08/2025 22:21:37    2632351

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Replying To Viking66:  "They should probably just pull out of the Munster Championship. Along with Tipp and Waterford. Whatever chance they had of winning Munster by beating 1 of Cork and Kerry, they've pretty much no chance of beating both in the same season."
Won't they be suspended for a year if they don't partake?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 76 - 17/08/2025 23:38:46    2632377

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Clare and Limerick as 3rd and 4th seeds should be seeded in the quarter final draw. That would be a better balanced draw. Mid ranked v lower ranked in the quarter finals. Higher ranked v quarter final winners in the semi finals. That's a matter for Clare and Limerick to push for. Only saying like!"
At the end of the day Kerry and Cork only ever had to beat 1 strong county to win a Munster, or none at all in recent years with Cork being weak. Very unfair that the new system requires the bottom 4 counties to beat both the top 2 counties to win a Munster, when the same doesn't apply to the top 2 counties.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16874 - 18/08/2025 07:32:19    2632387

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Won't they be suspended for a year if they don't partake?"
They should cease partaking until it's sorted out. No other county apart from those 4 in any other province is guaranteed before the start of the season to have to beat both the top seeds in their province in order to win a Provincial title. And the other 2 counties in their province might not even have to beat 1 of the top 2 seeds to win the title.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16874 - 18/08/2025 09:50:55    2632403

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Clare and Limerick as 3rd and 4th seeds should be seeded in the quarter final draw. That would be a better balanced draw. Mid ranked v lower ranked in the quarter finals. Higher ranked v quarter final winners in the semi finals. That's a matter for Clare and Limerick to push for. Only saying like!"
The last 15 Munster Football Finals have seen Kerry win 13, Cork & Tipperary win 1 each.

Cork have reached 10 finals in that time, Clare 4, Tipperary 2, Limerick 1.

In the last 15 years, Kerry have played Cork 8 times in the Munster Final Kerry won all 8.

Cork beat Kerry in the 2020 semi final.

The more you look at it, the more difficult it is to understand why Cork are being seeded at all. The NFL is given as the reason but even from a Munster Football Championship point of view, 1 team dominates, the others don't.

All the seeding is achieving is to allow Kerry bate Cork in the Munster Final. No benefit to any other county.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6542 - 18/08/2025 10:33:56    2632416

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Replying To slayer:  "The last 15 Munster Football Finals have seen Kerry win 13, Cork & Tipperary win 1 each.

Cork have reached 10 finals in that time, Clare 4, Tipperary 2, Limerick 1.

In the last 15 years, Kerry have played Cork 8 times in the Munster Final Kerry won all 8.

Cork beat Kerry in the 2020 semi final.

The more you look at it, the more difficult it is to understand why Cork are being seeded at all. The NFL is given as the reason but even from a Munster Football Championship point of view, 1 team dominates, the others don't.

All the seeding is achieving is to allow Kerry bate Cork in the Munster Final. No benefit to any other county."
Exactly, the seeding is only to try a get a big crowd in Killarney or Cork every Munster final day. It does nothing to promote football in other Counties.

If we agree to seeding, (which I think was a shocking decision by Limerick County Board by the way) I believe we should also insist on rotating the Munster Football Final around all the provincial grounds, such that every county gets to host the show piece once every 6 years (and I am including Walsh Park Waterford and Cusack Park Ennis in the mix (because how many people actually attend the Munster Football Final every year)). That might do more to promote football in the other counties than seeding

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 203 - 18/08/2025 11:41:50    2632434

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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "Exactly, the seeding is only to try a get a big crowd in Killarney or Cork every Munster final day. It does nothing to promote football in other Counties.

If we agree to seeding, (which I think was a shocking decision by Limerick County Board by the way) I believe we should also insist on rotating the Munster Football Final around all the provincial grounds, such that every county gets to host the show piece once every 6 years (and I am including Walsh Park Waterford and Cusack Park Ennis in the mix (because how many people actually attend the Munster Football Final every year)). That might do more to promote football in the other counties than seeding"
Bring the Munster hurling final back to Killarney while you are at it!
Limerick and Clare should be seeded in the quarter final draw. The best case scenario is shooting down a top 2 ranked county in the semi finals. The worst case scenario is going off to win the Tailteann Cup, using that as a springboard for future success.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9138 - 18/08/2025 12:22:17    2632445

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Bring the Munster hurling final back to Killarney while you are at it!
Limerick and Clare should be seeded in the quarter final draw. The best case scenario is shooting down a top 2 ranked county in the semi finals. The worst case scenario is going off to win the Tailteann Cup, using that as a springboard for future success."
I've no issue with the Munster Hurling Final in Killarney by the way (and it would probably bring the biggest crowd the Fitzgerald Stadium has ever seen).

Seeding is wrong in my opinion and it is being done solely to help out Kerry and Cork.

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 203 - 19/08/2025 14:39:07    2632686

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Munster counties ranked as following after the Allianz league:
1. Kerry
2. Cork
3. Clare
4. Limerick
5. Tipperary
6. Waterford
The footballers of Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford have demanded a lopsided Munster draw so that they can have easy access to a Munster final. Clare have made three Munster finals with threatening to win. Clare have made the All Ireland championship three years in a row. They are yet to win a game!!!
How long more a the GAA going to facilitate this lopsided draw policy?
There were three proper provincial finals this year. Cork v Kerry was arguably one of the best provincial clashes this year. Should have been the proper Munster final.
Clare should be in the Tailteann Cup. Limerick won their group and are having a good summer.
Sligo beating London and New York to make a Connacht final was also ridiculous. Mayo, Galway and Roscommon had finished top 3 in Division 1!!! Lopsided provincial finals are of no benefit to anyone."
Over 100 years of Kerry advantages in Munster!! this has to stop.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2874 - 19/08/2025 15:12:10    2632693

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