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galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2620 - 09/06/2025 11:49:06
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Replying To Viking66: "It's up to counties like ours to get more competitive to make Leinster better.
At the same time you are sticking to the narrative that Munster consists of 5 teams who are all pushing eachother, when the reality is that in most years of the round robin era there has been one county, if not 2, a good bit worse in any given year, whether due to injuries, form, retirements or whatever. Munster was won by 1 county 6 times in a row until this year, and in the last 3 of those finals they met the same opponents. So not as competitive as the media make out." The only part of that argument that has credibility is the worst of Munster would be a bit ahead of the worst in Leinster.
There were arguably higher quality games for one team to dominate Munster.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 09/06/2025 11:55:30
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Ah come on, Limerick have been beaten and put to the pin of their collar lots of times over the course of their 6-in-a-row. I was at their match v Clare last year and it was phenomenal stuff. The atmosphere (albeit bordering on vicious), the intensity, it was unbelievable.
Kilkenny have won Leinster 7 times in a row at their leisure.
Yesterday was a dreadful game. It had no life, no intensity, nothing.
The problem in Leinster is every county bar Kilkenny do things at their leisure and play their games, both club and county, at a lower intensity and is at its lowest ebb since Galway came in.
The only good games of the year were us v Wexford and us v Offaly and Offaly v Antrim. This is a fact.
Its up to Wexford, Galway, Dublin, Offaly to up our game a lot and increase the intensity and develop the do-or-die attitude which every county in Munster has in spades. Leinster is like junior hurling by comparison.
But the Leinster final has to come out of Croke Park and be played in either Thurles or Porltaoise if it is Kilkenny v Galway. Did they expect Kilkenny (notoriously bad supporters, seen it all before) and Galway (200+km away) to be happy to fork out €40 for this match? Good that they gave away thousands of kids tickets but they still charged children in to group games which were crying out for bums on seats and the result was even smaller attendances. 100% of an empty seat = €0.
Hurling in the whole province bar Kilkenny is on life support and its needs a really major review this winter. People vote with their feet at the end of the day.
If the games in Leinster are not on TV then at least have them at 7 o'clock on a Saturday evening.
But one final point, the Munster counties want the round robin much more than the Leinster ones do so Leinster Council should rebuke any attempt to extend to 4 out of Munster or anything which further tilts the playing field in their already huge favour with no relegation. If they want to talk open draw / round robins, and so forth lets be having you.
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Replying To Magpie2: "Spot on Viking. Tipperary, clare and Waterford were not exactly world beaters this year." Easy now. Tipp aren't done yet.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 09/06/2025 13:39:46
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Ah come on, Limerick have been beaten and put to the pin of their collar lots of times over the course of their 6-in-a-row. I was at their match v Clare last year and it was phenomenal stuff. The atmosphere (albeit bordering on vicious), the intensity, it was unbelievable.
Kilkenny have won Leinster 7 times in a row at their leisure.
Yesterday was a dreadful game. It had no life, no intensity, nothing.
The problem in Leinster is every county bar Kilkenny do things at their leisure and play their games, both club and county, at a lower intensity and is at its lowest ebb since Galway came in.
The only good games of the year were us v Wexford and us v Offaly and Offaly v Antrim. This is a fact.
Its up to Wexford, Galway, Dublin, Offaly to up our game a lot and increase the intensity and develop the do-or-die attitude which every county in Munster has in spades. Leinster is like junior hurling by comparison.
But the Leinster final has to come out of Croke Park and be played in either Thurles or Porltaoise if it is Kilkenny v Galway. Did they expect Kilkenny (notoriously bad supporters, seen it all before) and Galway (200+km away) to be happy to fork out €40 for this match? Good that they gave away thousands of kids tickets but they still charged children in to group games which were crying out for bums on seats and the result was even smaller attendances. 100% of an empty seat = €0.
Hurling in the whole province bar Kilkenny is on life support and its needs a really major review this winter. People vote with their feet at the end of the day.
If the games in Leinster are not on TV then at least have them at 7 o'clock on a Saturday evening.
But one final point, the Munster counties want the round robin much more than the Leinster ones do so Leinster Council should rebuke any attempt to extend to 4 out of Munster or anything which further tilts the playing field in their already huge favour with no relegation. If they want to talk open draw / round robins, and so forth lets be having you." Wexford and Offaly was a good game. Shame there was nothing at stake for Wexford and Kilkenny. It's ordinarily the crown jewel of the tournament.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 09/06/2025 13:50:21
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Ah come on, Limerick have been beaten and put to the pin of their collar lots of times over the course of their 6-in-a-row. I was at their match v Clare last year and it was phenomenal stuff. The atmosphere (albeit bordering on vicious), the intensity, it was unbelievable.
Kilkenny have won Leinster 7 times in a row at their leisure.
Yesterday was a dreadful game. It had no life, no intensity, nothing.
The problem in Leinster is every county bar Kilkenny do things at their leisure and play their games, both club and county, at a lower intensity and is at its lowest ebb since Galway came in.
The only good games of the year were us v Wexford and us v Offaly and Offaly v Antrim. This is a fact.
Its up to Wexford, Galway, Dublin, Offaly to up our game a lot and increase the intensity and develop the do-or-die attitude which every county in Munster has in spades. Leinster is like junior hurling by comparison.
But the Leinster final has to come out of Croke Park and be played in either Thurles or Porltaoise if it is Kilkenny v Galway. Did they expect Kilkenny (notoriously bad supporters, seen it all before) and Galway (200+km away) to be happy to fork out €40 for this match? Good that they gave away thousands of kids tickets but they still charged children in to group games which were crying out for bums on seats and the result was even smaller attendances. 100% of an empty seat = €0.
Hurling in the whole province bar Kilkenny is on life support and its needs a really major review this winter. People vote with their feet at the end of the day.
If the games in Leinster are not on TV then at least have them at 7 o'clock on a Saturday evening.
But one final point, the Munster counties want the round robin much more than the Leinster ones do so Leinster Council should rebuke any attempt to extend to 4 out of Munster or anything which further tilts the playing field in their already huge favour with no relegation. If they want to talk open draw / round robins, and so forth lets be having you." Sorry Kilkenny have won 6 in a row.
They lost to us in 19 in the final and went to Extra time in the semi final in the COVID year.
We also beat them in 22 when they'd have gone out if another result went against them.
Only a point between us in nowlan park last year in what was a defacto semi final.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 09/06/2025 13:53:13
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Replying To Viking66: "They were costly points dropped for sure. But while one of Dublins goals was created by a free that was taken before the referee blew his whistle to restart the game, in fact he never blew the whistle so shouldve ordered the free retaken, that wouldn't have got us to the Leinster Final.
The referees awarding of a penalty for a foul clearly out side the large rectangle in Nowlan Park did cost us that place in the final, being as we only lost by a point. Had we won we would that game we wouldve played Dublin in the 2024 final.
It was bizarre that a referee was appointed from a county that needed 1 of the teams playing to lose the game for his county to have any chance of progressing in the first place tbh." No point complaining about decisions viking they went against Cork saturday night as well but they kept on hurling and won.We have this habit in Wexford of making up excuses instead of looking at the bigger picture at the moment we are just not good enough .
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 382 - 09/06/2025 14:28:58
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Ah come on, Limerick have been beaten and put to the pin of their collar lots of times over the course of their 6-in-a-row. I was at their match v Clare last year and it was phenomenal stuff. The atmosphere (albeit bordering on vicious), the intensity, it was unbelievable.
Kilkenny have won Leinster 7 times in a row at their leisure.
Yesterday was a dreadful game. It had no life, no intensity, nothing.
The problem in Leinster is every county bar Kilkenny do things at their leisure and play their games, both club and county, at a lower intensity and is at its lowest ebb since Galway came in.
The only good games of the year were us v Wexford and us v Offaly and Offaly v Antrim. This is a fact.
Its up to Wexford, Galway, Dublin, Offaly to up our game a lot and increase the intensity and develop the do-or-die attitude which every county in Munster has in spades. Leinster is like junior hurling by comparison.
But the Leinster final has to come out of Croke Park and be played in either Thurles or Porltaoise if it is Kilkenny v Galway. Did they expect Kilkenny (notoriously bad supporters, seen it all before) and Galway (200+km away) to be happy to fork out €40 for this match? Good that they gave away thousands of kids tickets but they still charged children in to group games which were crying out for bums on seats and the result was even smaller attendances. 100% of an empty seat = €0.
Hurling in the whole province bar Kilkenny is on life support and its needs a really major review this winter. People vote with their feet at the end of the day.
If the games in Leinster are not on TV then at least have them at 7 o'clock on a Saturday evening.
But one final point, the Munster counties want the round robin much more than the Leinster ones do so Leinster Council should rebuke any attempt to extend to 4 out of Munster or anything which further tilts the playing field in their already huge favour with no relegation. If they want to talk open draw / round robins, and so forth lets be having you." Galway and Antrim entered the Leinster Championship in 2009 to increase competition.
In the 16 years since, KiIkenny have won 12 championships.
In the same time, Limerick have won 7, Tipp 5, Cork 4, Waterford 1 and Clare 0.
In the All Ireland,
Kilkenny 5/10, Limerick 5/6, Tipp 3/6, Clare 2/2, Galway 1/4, Cork 0/3 and Waterford 0/2 all Irelands.
If you were to rank the McCarthy hurling counties today
Top - Cork, Limerick, Kilkenny
Middle - Clare, Galway, Waterford, Tipp
Bottom - Dublin, Wexford, Offaly
So for a team like Wexford, there championship season involves 1 team against a top ranked county, 1 against a mid ranking team and two matches against teams at their own level (ish) - They can still qualify for an All ireland qfinal by losing to Galway & Killkenny and beating teams of their own level + a Joe McDonagh team.
They don't have to be consistent to have the illusion of a good season, but the reality is that the format doesn't demand more from them - so they don't produce more and they are not equipped to deal with a Munster team who have played 4 hard matches over two months and are operating at a different level.
Hurling wont develop if the likes of Wexford/Dublin/Galway/Offaly/Antrim only have 1/2 tough championship matches a year, while Clare/Waterford have 4/5. The gap will simply widen until there is another tier created to stop them getting hammered by Kilkenny.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1445 - 09/06/2025 15:02:55
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Sorry Doylerwex I was told yesterday was 7.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1374 - 09/06/2025 15:04:04
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Replying To Tiger1: "No point complaining about decisions viking they went against Cork saturday night as well but they kept on hurling and won.We have this habit in Wexford of making up excuses instead of looking at the bigger picture at the moment we are just not good enough ." I have to agree with you Tiger, and while I recognize that Viking is a passionate, knowledgeable Wexford man, his posts are littered with excuses. No point in looking back, as the past can't be changed. As one poster has already pointed out, why complain about a ref call against KK and ignore the humbling loss to Antrim in a match previous?
We had a genuine complaint from last years AI final and the free that should have been given in the dying seconds, but what's the point in crying about it? It won't change anything..
bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 408 - 09/06/2025 15:26:31
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Replying To Viking66: "They were costly points dropped for sure. But while one of Dublins goals was created by a free that was taken before the referee blew his whistle to restart the game, in fact he never blew the whistle so shouldve ordered the free retaken, that wouldn't have got us to the Leinster Final.
The referees awarding of a penalty for a foul clearly out side the large rectangle in Nowlan Park did cost us that place in the final, being as we only lost by a point. Had we won we would that game we wouldve played Dublin in the 2024 final.
It was bizarre that a referee was appointed from a county that needed 1 of the teams playing to lose the game for his county to have any chance of progressing in the first place tbh." Yes they were bad calls but a valid reason why were weren't successful last year - absolutely not! Big fan of your posts but think we have to stop finding excuses in Wexford for poor results. If we could engrain "no excuses" within our DNA - we would be a lot better off.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 09/06/2025 15:38:16
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A suggestion from outside the province..why not have kk/wex start the championship.it doesn't make sense to have this the last game..in Munster the fixtures change every year..hey must do something to get interest back,even the tickets to schools and clubs for children didn't have the expected bounce in attendance..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2539 - 09/06/2025 15:42:39
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Replying To CTGAA10: "A suggestion from outside the province..why not have kk/wex start the championship.it doesn't make sense to have this the last game..in Munster the fixtures change every year..hey must do something to get interest back,even the tickets to schools and clubs for children didn't have the expected bounce in attendance.." Many people in Wexford and Kilkenny saying the same thing.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16207 - 09/06/2025 17:13:09
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Replying To Timbertony: "Yes they were bad calls but a valid reason why were weren't successful last year - absolutely not! Big fan of your posts but think we have to stop finding excuses in Wexford for poor results. If we could engrain "no excuses" within our DNA - we would be a lot better off." Ah right so a penalty given against you for a foul well outside the rectangle is a 2 point swing. And that's not a reason why we lost the game by a point instead of winning it by a point? Strange take on it tbh. Imagine if it had happened the other way around.
As regards Dublins goal yes they mightve scored from the retaken free so you might have a point. But TJ definitely wouldn't have gone for goal if that had of been a free and not a penalty in a game they were winning at that stage anyway.
And noone really knows how the game against Dublin would've gone had they not got 3 points for a ball that never crossed the line. I know that penalty save would've given our lads a massive boost had it been left stand as a save.
I do agree we need to improve, but it's hard to swim when someone has their foot on your head.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16207 - 09/06/2025 17:30:45
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "I have to agree with you Tiger, and while I recognize that Viking is a passionate, knowledgeable Wexford man, his posts are littered with excuses. No point in looking back, as the past can't be changed. As one poster has already pointed out, why complain about a ref call against KK and ignore the humbling loss to Antrim in a match previous?
We had a genuine complaint from last years AI final and the free that should have been given in the dying seconds, but what's the point in crying about it? It won't change anything.." You lads did plenty of crying about it if I remember right!!!! You are right about it not changing anything though!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16207 - 09/06/2025 17:34:49
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "I have to agree with you Tiger, and while I recognize that Viking is a passionate, knowledgeable Wexford man, his posts are littered with excuses. No point in looking back, as the past can't be changed. As one poster has already pointed out, why complain about a ref call against KK and ignore the humbling loss to Antrim in a match previous?
We had a genuine complaint from last years AI final and the free that should have been given in the dying seconds, but what's the point in crying about it? It won't change anything.." As regards ignoring the Antrim result I'm not. Antrim deserved to beat us. Kilkenny didn't. I was at both games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16207 - 09/06/2025 17:40:02
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Replying To Tiger1: "No point complaining about decisions viking they went against Cork saturday night as well but they kept on hurling and won.We have this habit in Wexford of making up excuses instead of looking at the bigger picture at the moment we are just not good enough ." They went Cork's way that put them in a Munster final. Anyone at the game or watching it could clearly see that Bennett was dragged down while taking a scoring chance. It is too easy to say they were better anyway as a penalty and card would have made a significant difference. Our Cork friend on here is not interested in that. That is not an excuse and I'm not saying for a second Waterford don't get calls in their favour but if we are going to laud this trap door system then we have to do better. Waterford now have dropped out three occasions with wrong calls contributing. The real excuse is from the purists who don't want any changes that will assist refs with reviews for critical decisions and on this occasion he did not consult anyone else like the guys at the poles. What does that say ? It says to me he was very much aware but decided I'm not calling it. Yes there will still be mistakes but you mitigate the risk and numbers by improving the decision making with the fastest field sport in the world.
It is high time to eliminate some of the professional jobs in the GAA and train properly fit paid refs who can keep up with the play using technology to get critical calls right. They are on a hiding to nothing as is.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3093 - 09/06/2025 22:20:30
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As it was a long weekend here I didn't see either game live but watched the Munster Final on Sunday morning with no spoilers.
My father text me to say "don't waste the King's Birthday on it" regarding the Leinster Final.
Disappointing for hurling in Leinster that it was that bad.
No point mincing our words, Leinster hurling is not in a good place and collectively we are a mile off the pace. Time for everybody to up the work rate across the province to close that gap.
When I was in college, I always felt the lads from Munster went for every ball harder than we did and everything was done at a higher tempo.
If we don't start to match them for work rate as a core value, we will never close that gap.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1862 - 10/06/2025 09:25:17
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