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Replying To bloodandbandage: "Ah stop lad will ya. You can't defend the indefensible. Leinster hurling is dead...And you know it. Still fancy ye to do a number on Limerick though" Not much difference between outcomes in both provinces, KK 6 in a row today and Limerick prevented from winning their 7th on penalties yesterday. Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 187 - 08/06/2025 21:03:05 2615907 Link
Galway did ok today. They stayed in the match until the last 10 minutes. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2620 - 08/06/2025 21:06:26 2615909 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I'm not defending the indefensible, I stated a fact. I'll tell you what's indefensible, having 2 lopsided qualifying groups (Munster and Leinster) for the All-Ireland Championship. One has 6 teams with relegation, the other 5 teams with no relegation. Get rid of the provincial championships as qualifying groups for AI championship, and have equal number, seeded groups." Bring up another team from Joe Mac as well, what madness, its almost like yo are suggesting something that would be good for hurling. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1996 - 08/06/2025 22:22:28 2615931 Link
Replying To bloodandbandage: "Ah stop lad will ya. You can't defend the indefensible. Leinster hurling is dead...And you know it. Still fancy ye to do a number on Limerick though" I don't think that's fair to be honest. Munster has great contests all the way through and great excitement but since this Limerick team came along they've been more dominant than Kilkenny. In Munster, Limerick have beaten Clare in multiple finals with Tipp and Cork having cameos. In Leinster, Kilkenny have beaten Galway most often with Dublin and Wexford making appearances. Qualifications have been the same really with Kilkenny normally winning it and the next 3 alternating year on year. Exactly the same as the equivalent in Munster. Ok last year had an all Munster all Ireland final bit Kilkenny were unlucky not to beat Clare as they'd done relatively easily in previous years in spite of Clare being regarded everyone's number 2 team. Dublin were well in the game with Cork last year. Wexford have given Clare and Tipp plenty of it. Galway's record is pretty good against Munster opposition too. Ok, Munster is certainly ahead at the minute but all of Leinster is rebuilding where as Cork are reaching their peak, Limerick beginning to decline slightly, Tipp rebuilding and Clare begining to decline. I certainly wouldn't be ruling Kilkenny out at this stage, and expect the next three in Leinster to improve quite a bit in the next 2-3 years and that's without even mentioning Offaly. Nobody was saying Munster was dead when Kilkenny were hammering everyone. I don't think any hurling person would ever say that. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 08/06/2025 22:35:51 2615935 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Galway did ok today. They stayed in the match until the last 10 minutes." You're obviously a glass half-full person. But, I would have thought that a county of Galway's calibre would have more ambition than just staying in a match, and consider it 'ok' to do so. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2839 - 08/06/2025 22:38:50 2615936 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Galway did ok today. They stayed in the match until the last 10 minutes." Did they? Besides a 15 minute spell in the second half, they looked like they were going through the motions at best. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2579 - 09/06/2025 06:42:52 2615968 Link
Replying To Canuck: "While the cats are still the strongest they are no way near their greatest and this is an obvious opportunity to the others,step up. Kilkenny have the knack of winning and this came with easy passages to All-Ireland semis plus the believe of the rest that they cannot beat them. The exception is Wexford who always believe they can take them. Galway are example today until they went at them but too late." Wexford are going backwards at a rate of knots though. I had high hopes for Dublin this year, and was excited after their win against Wexford, but they capitulated against Galway the last day and now look likely to be playing Limerick. You are right, and it is up to the others to step up, but this is not happening??? Why is it not happening? With the exception of Offaly these past few years, it's mainly KK winning underage also. bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 406 - 09/06/2025 08:35:31 2615976 Link
Replying To bloodandbandage: "Wexford are going backwards at a rate of knots though. I had high hopes for Dublin this year, and was excited after their win against Wexford, but they capitulated against Galway the last day and now look likely to be playing Limerick. You are right, and it is up to the others to step up, but this is not happening??? Why is it not happening? With the exception of Offaly these past few years, it's mainly KK winning underage also." That's true. In Wexford we've been exceeded at 14-17 but seeing a drop off at minor and 20. The group Rossiter had at under 20 were beaten in Leinster finals by a point after extra time, and 2 points the following year by eventual all Ireland winners so it's not all doom and gloom. We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day. We were bad at senior this year. However we've a very young team now with Ryan, Foley, Carley, CBD, Byrne, Roche, kinsella, the codds etc. With a couple of core players with plenty left in them like the recks, hearne, Rory o Connor. I'm confident we can close the gap substantially in the next 2 years if things go right and it's a good time for us to be in 1b. We're not gone away, just rebuilding. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 09/06/2025 09:23:45 2615985 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "I don't think that's fair to be honest. Munster has great contests all the way through and great excitement but since this Limerick team came along they've been more dominant than Kilkenny. In Munster, Limerick have beaten Clare in multiple finals with Tipp and Cork having cameos. In Leinster, Kilkenny have beaten Galway most often with Dublin and Wexford making appearances. Qualifications have been the same really with Kilkenny normally winning it and the next 3 alternating year on year. Exactly the same as the equivalent in Munster. Ok last year had an all Munster all Ireland final bit Kilkenny were unlucky not to beat Clare as they'd done relatively easily in previous years in spite of Clare being regarded everyone's number 2 team. Dublin were well in the game with Cork last year. Wexford have given Clare and Tipp plenty of it. Galway's record is pretty good against Munster opposition too. Ok, Munster is certainly ahead at the minute but all of Leinster is rebuilding where as Cork are reaching their peak, Limerick beginning to decline slightly, Tipp rebuilding and Clare begining to decline. I certainly wouldn't be ruling Kilkenny out at this stage, and expect the next three in Leinster to improve quite a bit in the next 2-3 years and that's without even mentioning Offaly. Nobody was saying Munster was dead when Kilkenny were hammering everyone. I don't think any hurling person would ever say that." Corkness Doyler. Think that's the word. They've more adult hurling teams than ourselves and Kilkenny put together. Around 10 percent more. So really they are underachieving quite badly. They have 20 percent more adult hurling teams than Clare and Limerick put together. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16185 - 09/06/2025 09:46:46 2615991 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "That's true. In Wexford we've been exceeded at 14-17 but seeing a drop off at minor and 20. The group Rossiter had at under 20 were beaten in Leinster finals by a point after extra time, and 2 points the following year by eventual all Ireland winners so it's not all doom and gloom. We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day. We were bad at senior this year. However we've a very young team now with Ryan, Foley, Carley, CBD, Byrne, Roche, kinsella, the codds etc. With a couple of core players with plenty left in them like the recks, hearne, Rory o Connor. I'm confident we can close the gap substantially in the next 2 years if things go right and it's a good time for us to be in 1b. We're not gone away, just rebuilding." I really hope that is the case. Leinster needs a strong Wexford bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 406 - 09/06/2025 09:56:53 2615995 Link
Replying To bloodandbandage: "Wexford are going backwards at a rate of knots though. I had high hopes for Dublin this year, and was excited after their win against Wexford, but they capitulated against Galway the last day and now look likely to be playing Limerick. You are right, and it is up to the others to step up, but this is not happening??? Why is it not happening? With the exception of Offaly these past few years, it's mainly KK winning underage also." If you win or lose a game by a point or 2 its fair to say that game was pretty even. Our 22 to 28 year old players reached 5 u20 Leinster finals in 7 years, and only lost by more than a point or 2 in 1 of them, back in 2017. In that period Kilkenny and Galways u20s only reached 3 each. So our u20 record in Leinster is pretty good overall in recent years. Our minors hammered yours in a knockout championship game just last year, they were 12 points up coming into injury time. And our minors beat Offalys by double digits scores the only 2 times they played them in the last 3 years. Hopefully we will be improving over the next couple of years, not going back. We had stretched away to 3 points up when a Munster referee gave a goal that wasn't against Dublin, everyone except him knew it wasn't a goal. It was a big turning point in our season this year. It gave them a massive lift and knocked our lads back a bit. We missed out on 3rd place on head to head, though we mightve made a Leinster Final had that goal not been given. We definitely have alot of work to do, especially as regards getting our young team up to speed and strength, but we definitely aren't going backwards at a rate of knots. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16185 - 09/06/2025 10:01:32 2615996 Link
Replying To bloodandbandage: "I really hope that is the case. Leinster needs a strong Wexford" I really hope so too BNB. We need a strong Wexford team, couldn't care less about the rest of Leinster tbh ;-) Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16185 - 09/06/2025 10:04:52 2615998 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "That's true. In Wexford we've been exceeded at 14-17 but seeing a drop off at minor and 20. The group Rossiter had at under 20 were beaten in Leinster finals by a point after extra time, and 2 points the following year by eventual all Ireland winners so it's not all doom and gloom. We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day. We were bad at senior this year. However we've a very young team now with Ryan, Foley, Carley, CBD, Byrne, Roche, kinsella, the codds etc. With a couple of core players with plenty left in them like the recks, hearne, Rory o Connor. I'm confident we can close the gap substantially in the next 2 years if things go right and it's a good time for us to be in 1b. We're not gone away, just rebuilding." "We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day." Wexford weren't unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year. Losing to Kilkenny in Nowlan Park is to be expected most years. What cost Wexford a Leinster final place was their first 2 games, drawing at home to Dublin, followed by losing away to Antrim. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2839 - 09/06/2025 10:10:52 2616004 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "Did they? Besides a 15 minute spell in the second half, they looked like they were going through the motions at best." Kilkenny never really had to get out of 3rd gear. Galway mad a slight burst at the end when Kilkenny got a bit cosy. Kilkenny are in a good place. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 956 - 09/06/2025 10:35:10 2616014 Link
You only have to look at the provincial championship groups to see where the problem is. Munster has 5 strong teams pushing each other to the limit in every match - a great way to develop senior players. Leinster had 6 teams of varying quality, a lot of which are played with lower intensity, gradually resulting in a lower standard to that in Munster. When have Kilkenny been so dominate in Leinster without winning an All Ireland? Hurling would be much better served dropping the league altogether (who actually cares about it) and having a 10 team senior All Ireland. 1 conferences but 2 divisions South Each - Cork, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin Mid West - Limerick, Clare, Galway, Tipp, Offaly Nine matches each in 3 months. Top Leinster team (including Galway) and top Munster team in each group goes to provincial finals - provincial winners into All Ireland semis Bottom two teams play off to get relegated. Top 4 (overall) non provincial winners into All Ireland q finals. The current structure is not doing the development of Hurling any good. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1444 - 09/06/2025 10:49:26 2616021 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day." Wexford weren't unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year. Losing to Kilkenny in Nowlan Park is to be expected most years. What cost Wexford a Leinster final place was their first 2 games, drawing at home to Dublin, followed by losing away to Antrim." They were costly points dropped for sure. But while one of Dublins goals was created by a free that was taken before the referee blew his whistle to restart the game, in fact he never blew the whistle so shouldve ordered the free retaken, that wouldn't have got us to the Leinster Final. The referees awarding of a penalty for a foul clearly out side the large rectangle in Nowlan Park did cost us that place in the final, being as we only lost by a point. Had we won we would that game we wouldve played Dublin in the 2024 final. It was bizarre that a referee was appointed from a county that needed 1 of the teams playing to lose the game for his county to have any chance of progressing in the first place tbh. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16185 - 09/06/2025 10:49:49 2616022 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day." Wexford weren't unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year. Losing to Kilkenny in Nowlan Park is to be expected most years. What cost Wexford a Leinster final place was their first 2 games, drawing at home to Dublin, followed by losing away to Antrim." They were costly points dropped for sure. But while one of Dublins goals was created by a free that was taken before the referee blew his whistle to restart the game, in fact he never blew the whistle so shouldve ordered the free retaken, that wouldn't have got us to the Leinster Final. The referees awarding of a penalty for a foul clearly out side the large rectangle in Nowlan Park did cost us that place in the final, being as we only lost by a point. Had we won we would that game we wouldve played Dublin in the 2024 final. It was bizarre that a referee was appointed from a county that needed 1 of the teams playing to lose the game for his county to have any chance of progressing in the first place tbh. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16185 - 09/06/2025 10:50:09 2616024 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""We were unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year losing by a score in nowlan park on the last day." Wexford weren't unlucky not to reach the Leinster final last year. Losing to Kilkenny in Nowlan Park is to be expected most years. What cost Wexford a Leinster final place was their first 2 games, drawing at home to Dublin, followed by losing away to Antrim." Absolutely. 20 minutes of total madness in those games, but were still in the hunt before TJ's penalty was awarded for no reason. I take your point though. We should have qualified long before then only for our own messing. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 09/06/2025 11:28:48 2616046 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "You only have to look at the provincial championship groups to see where the problem is. Munster has 5 strong teams pushing each other to the limit in every match - a great way to develop senior players. Leinster had 6 teams of varying quality, a lot of which are played with lower intensity, gradually resulting in a lower standard to that in Munster. When have Kilkenny been so dominate in Leinster without winning an All Ireland? Hurling would be much better served dropping the league altogether (who actually cares about it) and having a 10 team senior All Ireland. 1 conferences but 2 divisions South Each - Cork, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin Mid West - Limerick, Clare, Galway, Tipp, Offaly Nine matches each in 3 months. Top Leinster team (including Galway) and top Munster team in each group goes to provincial finals - provincial winners into All Ireland semis Bottom two teams play off to get relegated. Top 4 (overall) non provincial winners into All Ireland q finals. The current structure is not doing the development of Hurling any good." It's up to counties like ours to get more competitive to make Leinster better. At the same time you are sticking to the narrative that Munster consists of 5 teams who are all pushing eachother, when the reality is that in most years of the round robin era there has been one county, if not 2, a good bit worse in any given year, whether due to injuries, form, retirements or whatever. Munster was won by 1 county 6 times in a row until this year, and in the last 3 of those finals they met the same opponents. So not as competitive as the media make out. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16185 - 09/06/2025 11:31:21 2616047 Link
Replying To Viking66: "It's up to counties like ours to get more competitive to make Leinster better. At the same time you are sticking to the narrative that Munster consists of 5 teams who are all pushing eachother, when the reality is that in most years of the round robin era there has been one county, if not 2, a good bit worse in any given year, whether due to injuries, form, retirements or whatever. Munster was won by 1 county 6 times in a row until this year, and in the last 3 of those finals they met the same opponents. So not as competitive as the media make out." Spot on Viking. Tipperary, clare and Waterford were not exactly world beaters this year. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 09/06/2025 11:48:13 2616055 Link