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But it is okay to jump from team 6 to team 11 for qualifying ? Yes there were a a lot less when the championship was a straight knockout but that all changed and what ever format is now used should involve the best teams. That does not mean Wexford, Waterford, Clare would be any further than now but if you are not in you can't win. Let alone the out cry if the game between Limerick and Clare decided 3rd place last week. Limerick putting out a shadow team as nothing at stake for them.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3092 - 05/06/2025 14:14:51 2615093 Link 0 |
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Peter Queally was asked a question and gave an opinion. If ye were not in the All-Ireland series consistently I guarantee you there would be no end to the arm twisting to change it.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3092 - 05/06/2025 14:19:45 2615097 Link 0 |
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Didn't they restructure the league after the competition was over for Cork once?
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 05/06/2025 14:48:55 2615115 Link 0 |
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Is it fair to say that if a team loses to another by less than 3 points, 1 point or 2 points, that they were pretty evenly matched? Our lads aged 22-28 appeared in 5 Leinster u20/1 finals in 7 years and didn't lose 4 of them by more than 2 points. No other Leinster county appeared in more than 3 U20/1 finals in that period, which Kilkenny and Galway did. So I'm not sure your argument holds water. Our current Senior panels record at u20 compared to other Leinster counties is pretty good overall. As more of these lads mature and reach peak size/strength maybe we will do better at Senior. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16192 - 05/06/2025 15:58:54 2615139 Link 0 |
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Very poor at 20 and minor this season maybe. Not for the last 15 years.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3711 - 05/06/2025 16:03:06 2615142 Link 0 |
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I don't get what you are looking for now Canuck. Are you wanting Waterford to have more games? Or be hurling later in the year? Are you wanting everyone to qualify for the AI Series? Well all the so called top tier counties? That was never the way before. And usually some county or another is in bad form and wouldn't deserve to be in it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16192 - 05/06/2025 16:14:01 2615145 Link 0 |
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Of course
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16192 - 05/06/2025 16:14:23 2615146 Link 0 |
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We had some poor results ok. But we had some good ones too. Generally we don't beat Dublin at underage, especially minor. We beat them in both u20 and minor this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16192 - 05/06/2025 17:50:12 2615181 Link 0 |
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Better to ask why we don't than shrug the shoulders.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1857 - 06/06/2025 22:58:39 2615435 Link 0 |
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Agree 100%. But noone is just shrugging shoulders. Our record this millennium against them has alot to do with the fact that they now have way more hurlers than us. Dublin have 654 youth hurling teams against our 309. Alot of the teams counted at our clubs, smaller ones, don't even have 15 members. Last year, the year of the above stats, our clubs u12s only had 14 hurlers, our u14s only had 12, our minors only had 13. These would still have been counted as youth teams though. Numbers are better this year ok, we have 18 u12s, 20 u14s and 19 u16s, but we have no minor team at all this year. At u20 level another factor is our minors don't get to play adult club til some or most are 19. This would toughen them up physically if they were let play at 18 years old. This year of our u20 team that beat Dublins I think only around 5 or 6 had played club adult at all. A huge disadvantage. They still won in Parnell Park, which was a good result for any Wexford team, not many win there historically. Moving on to solutions there's not much we can do about numbers compared to Dublin, but our development squads are helping as regards quality, insofar as our recent record against them from u14 to u16 has been pretty good, and our minors beat theirs well this year, our biggest win against them at minor in many years. Other counties are continually improving also, we need to improve more than they do. That's where things get trickier. Comparing our approach to Clares, who have a similar hurling population, one thing they do that we don't is provide county winter hurling training to all age groups from u11 to u17. It's only once a week so shouldn't cost too much. They do 2 age groups for 45 minutes each per night, 3 nights a week. They have been doing this the last few years. They have also reached 4 AI minor SFs in the last 4 years, winning the minor title in 2023. They are still to play the SF this year and might go further. We only introduced winter training at u12 winter before last. Hopefully we can roll it out for all the other age groups for next winter. One thing I noticed about the lads who went on the ASH U12 programme the last 2 winters was they stayed pucking a ball at home too over the winter, the hurls weren't just put away for a few months. We did u8-u14 training once a week at our club last winter and everyone noticed the same thing. And when we started back for this season in February attendance was much improved also. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16192 - 07/06/2025 11:07:44 2615462 Link 0 |
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Agree 100%. But noone is just shrugging shoulders. Our record this millennium against them has alot to do with the fact that they now have way more hurlers than us. Dublin have 654 youth hurling teams against our 309. Alot of the teams counted at our clubs, smaller ones, don't even have 15 members. Last year, the year of the above stats, our clubs u12s only had 14 hurlers, our u14s only had 12, our minors only had 13. These would still have been counted as youth teams though. Numbers are better this year ok, we have 18 u12s, 20 u14s and 19 u16s, but we have no minor team at all this year. At u20 level another factor is our minors don't get to play adult club til some or most are 19. This would toughen them up physically if they were let play at 18 years old. This year of our u20 team that beat Dublins I think only around 5 or 6 had played club adult at all. A huge disadvantage. They still won in Parnell Park, which was a good result for any Wexford team, not many win there historically. Moving on to solutions there's not much we can do about numbers compared to Dublin, but our development squads are helping as regards quality, insofar as our recent record against them from u14 to u16 has been pretty good, and our minors beat theirs well this year, our biggest win against them at minor in many years. Other counties are continually improving also, we need to improve more than they do. That's where things get trickier. Comparing our approach to Clares, who have a similar hurling population, one thing they do that we don't is provide county winter hurling training to all age groups from u11 to u17. It's only once a week so shouldn't cost too much. They do 2 age groups for 45 minutes each per night, 3 nights a week. They have been doing this the last few years. They have also reached 4 AI minor SFs in the last 4 years, winning the minor title in 2023. They are still to play the SF this year and might go further. We only introduced winter training at u12 winter before last. Hopefully we can roll it out for all the other age groups for next winter. One thing I noticed about the lads who went on the ASH U12 programme the last 2 winters was they stayed pucking a ball at home too over the winter, the hurls weren't just put away for a few months. We did u8-u14 training once a week at our club last winter and everyone noticed the same thing. And when we started back for this season in February attendance was much improved also. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16192 - 07/06/2025 11:09:24 2615464 Link 0 |
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After yesterday evening's warm up act, now for the main event; the Leinster Final. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2839 - 08/06/2025 08:56:17 2615690 Link 0 |
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The prize for the winner is likely to be Limerick in the semi final. A definite booby prize.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2459 - 08/06/2025 11:29:51 2615716 Link 0 |
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It doesn't matter who you face once you reach a semi-final.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2839 - 08/06/2025 12:37:15 2615725 Link 0 |
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Kilkenny vs Limerick? Mouthwatering game!!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 562 - 08/06/2025 14:25:49 2615739 Link 0 |
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Won't be a bit surprised if Galway win today..losers will have tipp in quarter and cork in semi.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2539 - 08/06/2025 15:02:03 2615742 Link 0 |
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And Tipp v Cork in the other semi?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2839 - 08/06/2025 15:05:10 2615743 Link 0 |
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Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 719 - 08/06/2025 15:23:41 2615749 Link 1 |
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Agree however don't write off Kilkenny
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 719 - 08/06/2025 15:24:01 2615750 Link 0 |
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Great win for Kildare and hopefully another good team will spice up the Leinster championship next year. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3092 - 08/06/2025 15:36:18 2615760 Link 0 |