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So I think I speak for most Munster people that we want to retain, and not devalue the provincial championship. Leinster people may feel differently. And we want to address the imbalance between the provinces currently
Munster teams have won the last 7 AIs, Limerick (5), Tipp, Clare
Not unprecedented it happened in 1940 - 1946, and again 1948 to 1954
But the two favourites this year are Limerick and Cork and 8 on the spin would be a record for a province in the modern era
Plus Munster teams have dominated underage (Munster teams have won 12 of last 14 U20/U21 AIs)
One solution would be to retain the provinces as they are in terms of standings but add cross province games
Top two in each province plays provincial finals and qualifies for AI series plus the next two teams with most points regardless of province. Those two could be both from either province
If you had 2 groups of five each team would play 8 games total (plus max 3 games in the A series or AI+ provincial final, and everybody would play the same teams.
Plus Kilkenny get to test themselves v the top Munster teams before an AI semifinal
If one province is significantly weaker the only advantage would be for the top two teams as the next four qualifiers would be from the stronger province. If the balance of power shifted to Leinster then they would potentially have 4 qualifiers
Bottom team from the 2 provinces goes down, top Joe Mc team goes up for the next year
If its too hard to add more games look to cut back the league which is now just a warm up for the Championship, always was, always will be
Even number of teams, and each team plays the same number of qualifiers means each team plays the same weekends so no imbalances in terms of some teams getting longer breaks over others. Rest weekends play Joe Mc games to maximize TV exposure
And do away with the Joe Mc qualifying for the AI series, no matter how they reform the Championship that has to go, and run the Joe MC in parallel with the AI
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Replying To Yadse: "So I think I speak for most Munster people that we want to retain, and not devalue the provincial championship. Leinster people may feel differently. And we want to address the imbalance between the provinces currently
Munster teams have won the last 7 AIs, Limerick (5), Tipp, Clare
Not unprecedented it happened in 1940 - 1946, and again 1948 to 1954
But the two favourites this year are Limerick and Cork and 8 on the spin would be a record for a province in the modern era
Plus Munster teams have dominated underage (Munster teams have won 12 of last 14 U20/U21 AIs)
One solution would be to retain the provinces as they are in terms of standings but add cross province games
Top two in each province plays provincial finals and qualifies for AI series plus the next two teams with most points regardless of province. Those two could be both from either province
If you had 2 groups of five each team would play 8 games total (plus max 3 games in the A series or AI+ provincial final, and everybody would play the same teams.
Plus Kilkenny get to test themselves v the top Munster teams before an AI semifinal
If one province is significantly weaker the only advantage would be for the top two teams as the next four qualifiers would be from the stronger province. If the balance of power shifted to Leinster then they would potentially have 4 qualifiers
Bottom team from the 2 provinces goes down, top Joe Mc team goes up for the next year
If its too hard to add more games look to cut back the league which is now just a warm up for the Championship, always was, always will be
Even number of teams, and each team plays the same number of qualifiers means each team plays the same weekends so no imbalances in terms of some teams getting longer breaks over others. Rest weekends play Joe Mc games to maximize TV exposure
And do away with the Joe Mc qualifying for the AI series, no matter how they reform the Championship that has to go, and run the Joe MC in parallel with the AI" The Munster championship real appeal
Is for qualification to the All-Ireland series. Yes counties want to win it but the reality is they would not trade an All-Ireland in 100 years for a provincial. My solution for hurling again is scrap the league and an open draw. The top two teams in the championship round robin from the provinces can play a Munster and Leinster final. The gloss has long gone off these tittles no matter what counties say. That happened when the qualifiers and back door system came in. Teams became more interested in the big prize.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3085 - 02/06/2025 23:51:34
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Replying To Canuck: "The Munster championship real appeal
Is for qualification to the All-Ireland series. Yes counties want to win it but the reality is they would not trade an All-Ireland in 100 years for a provincial. My solution for hurling again is scrap the league and an open draw. The top two teams in the championship round robin from the provinces can play a Munster and Leinster final. The gloss has long gone off these tittles no matter what counties say. That happened when the qualifiers and back door system came in. Teams became more interested in the big prize." If you scrap the League where is the opportunity for lower ranked counties to play higher ranked ones? How are they supposed to develop?
As regards a Provincial title many here in Wexford would be delighted to win one at this stage, as would all the friends I have in Waterford.
Bottom line is this Canuck, we have had 5 championship games, and missed out on the AI Series on head to head. Like last year we were victims of a very bad refereeing error, not a difference in interpretation of the rules, but an actual error.
We had 5 championship games. You had 4 games. That's more games we both had than we had in many of the years I'm watching hurling. We weren't good enough. We may try to be better next year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16124 - 03/06/2025 10:51:33
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Replying To Canuck: "The Munster championship real appeal
Is for qualification to the All-Ireland series. Yes counties want to win it but the reality is they would not trade an All-Ireland in 100 years for a provincial. My solution for hurling again is scrap the league and an open draw. The top two teams in the championship round robin from the provinces can play a Munster and Leinster final. The gloss has long gone off these tittles no matter what counties say. That happened when the qualifiers and back door system came in. Teams became more interested in the big prize." I respectfully disagree. The Munster Final is one of the greatest days of hurling and the Munster championship has provided packed stadiums, great games and it looks lo me at least that it still means everything to the teams that participate in it and the spectators who support it. Not quite as big as the All Ireland, but it has a unique sense of occasion in itself for players and supporters alike.
The tradition of the Munster final and the Munster championship is the heart beat of hurling in this country and I think to change it to solve the problems in other regions would pose a risk to the game itself as we know it. I would disagree that the gloss is gone off of it. John Kiely has moved heaven and earth to win it every year. It will mean everything to Cork and Limerick supporters to win it and also the interest from the general hurling fan will be massive.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 443 - 03/06/2025 11:02:45
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I respectfully disagree. The Munster Final is one of the greatest days of hurling and the Munster championship has provided packed stadiums, great games and it looks lo me at least that it still means everything to the teams that participate in it and the spectators who support it. Not quite as big as the All Ireland, but it has a unique sense of occasion in itself for players and supporters alike.
The tradition of the Munster final and the Munster championship is the heart beat of hurling in this country and I think to change it to solve the problems in other regions would pose a risk to the game itself as we know it. I would disagree that the gloss is gone off of it. John Kiely has moved heaven and earth to win it every year. It will mean everything to Cork and Limerick supporters to win it and also the interest from the general hurling fan will be massive." Noone is proposing changing the Munster Championship to solve problems in other regions. I really enjoy it as it is, and always have done, and I live in Wexford. It's up to us in counties like Wexford, Waterford, and Dublin to step up to compete with the big 3 as Clare, Limerick and Galway have over the last 10-15 years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16124 - 03/06/2025 11:20:47
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Replying To Canuck: "The Munster championship real appeal
Is for qualification to the All-Ireland series. Yes counties want to win it but the reality is they would not trade an All-Ireland in 100 years for a provincial. My solution for hurling again is scrap the league and an open draw. The top two teams in the championship round robin from the provinces can play a Munster and Leinster final. The gloss has long gone off these tittles no matter what counties say. That happened when the qualifiers and back door system came in. Teams became more interested in the big prize." The Munster Hurling Final is the greatest occasion in Irish sport, really looking forward to Saturday evening.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2371 - 03/06/2025 12:44:11
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Replying To Viking66: "Noone is proposing changing the Munster Championship to solve problems in other regions. I really enjoy it as it is, and always have done, and I live in Wexford. It's up to us in counties like Wexford, Waterford, and Dublin to step up to compete with the big 3 as Clare, Limerick and Galway have over the last 10-15 years." I was responding to this "My solution for hurling again is scrap the league and an open draw. The top two teams in the championship round robin from the provinces can play a Munster and Leinster final."
This would be a major change to the Munster championship :)
I can understand the logic behind it but i think you would be diluting the value of the Munster championship with that format. Also you would lose the jeopardy where every single game in the first three rounds for definite is vital if you want to get out.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 443 - 03/06/2025 13:31:35
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How is everyone feeling about the match on Saturday? Anyone have any updates on O'Leary, Dalton and Downey or if they will make Saturday?
While Limerick have to be favourites, Cork will have a point to prove after the last time and I think this game will be very close, more like the game down in the Pairc last year, than the match a few weeks back. In the last game Limerick delivered a nearly perfect first half of hurling, but Cork didn't lay a hand on them. I feel like Cork have a lot more questions to answer than Limerick going into this such as
Can Cork up the physicality levels and make the game a dog fight? (I think they definitely can)
Can Cork win enough ball to get their running game going, and really go at the Limerick defence? (They probably can)
Can Darragh Fitzgibbon find his form and really torment Limerick like he did last year (he definitely can)
LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 168 - 03/06/2025 14:18:11
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I was responding to this "My solution for hurling again is scrap the league and an open draw. The top two teams in the championship round robin from the provinces can play a Munster and Leinster final."
This would be a major change to the Munster championship :)
I can understand the logic behind it but i think you would be diluting the value of the Munster championship with that format. Also you would lose the jeopardy where every single game in the first three rounds for definite is vital if you want to get out." Ah ok. What I meant is that noone is seriously wanting to do away with the Munster Championship. I agree the jeopardy is what makes the Round Robins competitive. If there's no jeopardy then there's no point having them at all.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16124 - 03/06/2025 15:32:22
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Replying To Bon: "The Munster Hurling Final is the greatest occasion in Irish sport, really looking forward to Saturday evening." No it's not imo. It's not even a knockout game, get a grip.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4194 - 03/06/2025 20:23:53
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I tried posting earlier but it didn't go through.
Has the problem with tickets been sorted yet?talking to my son today and he said he's still waiting on a new code from ticketmaster..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2533 - 03/06/2025 23:16:28
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The only championships worth following in this country are Munster Hurling and Ulster football.
TJH (Sligo) - Posts: 71 - 04/06/2025 09:13:02
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Replying To LimerickandProud: "How is everyone feeling about the match on Saturday? Anyone have any updates on O'Leary, Dalton and Downey or if they will make Saturday?
While Limerick have to be favourites, Cork will have a point to prove after the last time and I think this game will be very close, more like the game down in the Pairc last year, than the match a few weeks back. In the last game Limerick delivered a nearly perfect first half of hurling, but Cork didn't lay a hand on them. I feel like Cork have a lot more questions to answer than Limerick going into this such as
Can Cork up the physicality levels and make the game a dog fight? (I think they definitely can)
Can Cork win enough ball to get their running game going, and really go at the Limerick defence? (They probably can)
Can Darragh Fitzgibbon find his form and really torment Limerick like he did last year (he definitely can)" Lots of questions there for Cork to answer and rightly so. Can we put together a performance over 70 minutes? Can we get our match ups right? Can we bring the intensity required to defeat this magnificent Limerick team? Do you know what, I think we can. I know this team is capable of giving Limerick their fill of it, and I do believe it will be tight, but you'd still have to fancy Limerick, especially with home advantage.
Re injured players, I know Pat had stated that only lads who trained fully last Saturday would be involved, and I do know that Downey, Dalton and O'Leary did take part, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will start on Saturday. Anyway, ticket got, and looking forward to round 2
bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 396 - 04/06/2025 13:13:32
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "No it's not imo. It's not even a knockout game, get a grip." It is the greatest occasion, knockout or not.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2371 - 04/06/2025 14:10:59
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "Lots of questions there for Cork to answer and rightly so. Can we put together a performance over 70 minutes? Can we get our match ups right? Can we bring the intensity required to defeat this magnificent Limerick team? Do you know what, I think we can. I know this team is capable of giving Limerick their fill of it, and I do believe it will be tight, but you'd still have to fancy Limerick, especially with home advantage.
Re injured players, I know Pat had stated that only lads who trained fully last Saturday would be involved, and I do know that Downey, Dalton and O'Leary did take part, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will start on Saturday. Anyway, ticket got, and looking forward to round 2" Glad to hear that you got the ticket. Enjoy. Round 2 will be no KO like round 1. It could go to the 14 or 15 round even, like the "Thrilla in Manila".
You know, I don't like that Cork team, but they are really dangerous. However, I really like their manager Pat Ryan, and I was glad to hear him say during the week that 'Corkness' was the most stupid word he had ever heard. There's none of that ould chirpy, smirking boy, out of Pat, nor Cleary the football guy either. They call is as it is.
Limk by 3-4 is how I call it. And I mean points, not goals.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2284 - 04/06/2025 15:03:29
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Glad to hear that you got the ticket. Enjoy. Round 2 will be no KO like round 1. It could go to the 14 or 15 round even, like the "Thrilla in Manila".
You know, I don't like that Cork team, but they are really dangerous. However, I really like their manager Pat Ryan, and I was glad to hear him say during the week that 'Corkness' was the most stupid word he had ever heard. There's none of that ould chirpy, smirking boy, out of Pat, nor Cleary the football guy either. They call is as it is.
Limk by 3-4 is how I call it. And I mean points, not goals." "I don't like that Cork team" A very strange statement to make. These are a bunch of young, honest lads giving their all for the county. What have they done to earn your dislike?
bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 396 - 04/06/2025 16:18:07
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