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It's great to have the club championships back. Hoganstand are giving good coverage. The Irish Independent to be fair had 5 storylines to watch over the weekend.
The "New Format 2026 All Ireland" applied based on some 2025 results and some extreme examples would have something as follows:
ROUND 1
Kerry v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Dublin
Louth v Monaghan
Armagh v Derry
Mayo v Cavan
Meath v Cork
Clare v Down
ROUND 2A
Meath v Kerry
Dublin v Armagh
Tyrone v Cavan
Monaghan v Down
ROUND 2B
Galway v Donegal
Roscommon v Louth
Derry v Mayo
Cork v Clare
ROUND 3
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Donegal
Cavan v Cork
Down v Louth
QUARTER FINALS
Meath v Cavan
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Down
Monaghan v Donegal
Galway or Donegal and Derry or Mayo would be knocked out after Round 2B. Kerry or Mayo/Derry and Dublin or Donegal/Galway would be knocked out after Round 3.
2 to 4 of the strong All Ireland contenders, depending on the draws, will be looking at elimination before the quarter finals. The "blunt instrument" that Burns & Co are looking for.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9728 - 10/08/2025 08:02:38
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https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337762
"Sarsfields beat Cashel King Cormacs by 0-25 to 1-19 in their Group Two closer at Holycross on Saturday evening but agonisingly missed out on progression by the narrowest of margins - they needed to win by one more point to leapfrog Cashel into second place in the final group standings."
This is the drawback of the group stage format in championship. You can beat a team but they might progress on points difference. The advantage of the double eliminator format is that you are not depending on results from elsewhere.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9728 - 07/09/2025 15:41:03
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Replying To legendzxix: " https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337762"Sarsfields beat Cashel King Cormacs by 0-25 to 1-19 in their Group Two closer at Holycross on Saturday evening but agonisingly missed out on progression by the narrowest of margins - they needed to win by one more point to leapfrog Cashel into second place in the final group standings." This is the drawback of the group stage format in championship. You can beat a team but they might progress on points difference. The advantage of the double eliminator format is that you are not depending on results from elsewhere."
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3423 - 08/09/2025 14:58:21
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Replying To legendzxix: " https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337762"Sarsfields beat Cashel King Cormacs by 0-25 to 1-19 in their Group Two closer at Holycross on Saturday evening but agonisingly missed out on progression by the narrowest of margins - they needed to win by one more point to leapfrog Cashel into second place in the final group standings." This is the drawback of the group stage format in championship. You can beat a team but they might progress on points difference. The advantage of the double eliminator format is that you are not depending on results from elsewhere."
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3423 - 10/09/2025 14:18:12
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There is an argument for a head to head mini table when more than two are level on points. The usual matter of a motion and agreement!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9728 - 10/09/2025 17:53:58
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Replying To legendzxix: " https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337762"Sarsfields beat Cashel King Cormacs by 0-25 to 1-19 in their Group Two closer at Holycross on Saturday evening but agonisingly missed out on progression by the narrowest of margins - they needed to win by one more point to leapfrog Cashel into second place in the final group standings." This is the drawback of the group stage format in championship. You can beat a team but they might progress on points difference. The advantage of the double eliminator format is that you are not depending on results from elsewhere."
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3977 - 12/09/2025 12:33:42
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Replying To KillingFields: " Replying To legendzxix: "<a href="https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337762">https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337762</a>
"Sarsfields beat Cashel King Cormacs by 0-25 to 1-19 in their Group Two closer at Holycross on Saturday evening but agonisingly missed out on progression by the narrowest of margins - they needed to win by one more point to leapfrog Cashel into second place in the final group standings."
This is the drawback of the group stage format in championship. You can beat a team but they might progress on points difference. The advantage of the double eliminator format is that you are not depending on results from elsewhere."</div>No it isnt a drawback of a group format. you simply change rules that if teams are level on points the first decider is head to head result and then go down to other criteria." I'd be a fan of group systems precisely because the results of other fixtures impact teams.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4664 - 14/09/2025 11:23:02
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But why the obsession with head to head overriding points difference.
The idea of a group stage is that you get a second chance. If you have a bad ref/injury and lose a match narrowly why should you have to be continually penalized if you recover and hockey everyone else after that?
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1812 - 15/09/2025 10:54:44
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "But why the obsession with head to head overriding points difference.
The idea of a group stage is that you get a second chance. If you have a bad ref/injury and lose a match narrowly why should you have to be continually penalized if you recover and hockey everyone else after that?" I agree with you, I don't really see the point to head to head as a tiebreaker. It makes there more likelihood of dead rubber going into the final round also. The one problem with scoring difference is that 1 blowout result can dominate.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4664 - 15/09/2025 12:11:10
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Replying To Ciaran359: "This makes the most sense, we're currently caught between wanting more guaranteed meaninful games, and lacking the jeopardy of championship.
If you were going with a league-based system, would it make sense to combine your 12-10-10 with provincials, by running provincials like the triple crown in rugby?
(@omahant, I think that's your "double up" system?)
It would keep the provincial pride, but wouldn't put extra games onto teams" Yes, that's my 'double up'.
Taking that 12-10-10, divs 2 & 3 could be round robins (9 games), 'doubling up' intra-div Prov KO, and play any additional 'stand alone' cross-div Prov games as well.
To reduce game count, Div 1 could either be '3 groups of 4'
(A hosts B, B hosts C & C hosts A, for 8 games), or '4 groups of 3' [AhB, BhC, ChD, DhA, (AvC & BvD host 1 or 2, away 2 or 1), for 9 games].
AIC Sam 8 - Div 1, top 8 of 12, Aussie AFL-style Playoffs
AIC 2 KO 10 - Teams placed 9-18, PQFs: 15v18 & 16v17
AIC 3 KO 10 - Teams 19-28, PQF: 25v28 & 26v27
AIC 2 SF 4 play Div 1 the next year (0-4 promoted)
AIC 3 SF 4 play Div 2 the next year (0-4 promoted)
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3423 - 15/05/2026 19:22:48
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Replying To omahant: "Yes, that's my 'double up'.
Taking that 12-10-10, divs 2 & 3 could be round robins (9 games), 'doubling up' intra-div Prov KO, and play any additional 'stand alone' cross-div Prov games as well.
To reduce game count, Div 1 could either be '3 groups of 4'
(A hosts B, B hosts C & C hosts A, for 8 games), or '4 groups of 3' [AhB, BhC, ChD, DhA, (AvC & BvD host 1 or 2, away 2 or 1), for 9 games .
AIC Sam 8 - Div 1, top 8 of 12, Aussie AFL-style Playoffs
AIC 2 KO 10 - Teams placed 9-18, PQFs: 15v18 & 16v17
AIC 3 KO 10 - Teams 19-28, PQF: 25v28 & 26v27
AIC 2 SF 4 play Div 1 the next year (0-4 promoted)
AIC 3 SF 4 play Div 2 the next year (0-4 promoted)"]No!
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 561 - 16/05/2026 11:54:10
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