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Replying To legendzxix:  "If the leap is taken from standalone provincial finals to standalone provincial championships, any agreeable promotion/relegation structure is possible. There has to realism about expected crowds etc. They'll have to get the splits right!"
Those Provincial championships aren't standalone.

Provincial champions enter the All Ireland, Provincial finalists get a playoff to qualify.

I'd argue that there are more rather than less relevant Provincial championship games given that the finals are now more relevant again.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4536 - 23/05/2025 15:21:37    2611914

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Those Provincial championships aren't standalone.

Provincial champions enter the All Ireland, Provincial finalists get a playoff to qualify.

I'd argue that there are more rather than less relevant Provincial championship games given that the finals are now more relevant again."
Hmmm. Not sure what point you are trying to make there?
The 2026 provincial finalists will all be seeded the same regardless of winning or losing. The finals themselves will essentially be standalone fixtures. All about the glory of winning on the day without any All Ireland benefit, reward or favourable seeding advantage.
Early round matches like DERRY v Donegal, MONAGHAN v Donegal, CAVAN v Tyrone, TYRONE v Armagh, ROSCOMMON v Galway, CORK v Kerry and DUBLIN v Meath will still have no impact on All Ireland qualification.
Between standalone provincial finals and so many "top games" with no All Ireland qualification relevance, the provincial link to the All Ireland is already weakened.
If the next interation of championship changes were to separate the provincials from the All Ireland, it doesn't seem such a drastic change. If the provincials are such sacred cows, they'll stand on their own feet not a bother. They are not far from that already.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8834 - 23/05/2025 22:19:24    2611982

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Sorry I'd think the championship should be 2 groups of 8 rather than 4 groups of 4 and that's determining playoff placement.

Only 4 teams would be guaranteed a spot because a Provincial champion coming from outside the top 16 would need 2 teams playing off."
The 2026 championship is not far away from separating provincials from the All Ireland. If they take that final step, I think provincial councils will still want their championships after the league. That can be achieved as a compromise with the divisions run in 2 groups of 4, as was done out of necessity in 2021 but simply have group winners into league finals.
After separate provincial championships as normal you can have your 2 groups of 8 All Ireland. For the group stage to be competitive, when you slice and dice it, group winners direct to All Ireland semi finals and 2nd & 3rd into quarter finals seems the most competitive approach.
Discussions then around the Tailteann. Similar format to the All Ireland or else a single tier of 8 with another tier of 8 as well. Whatever is agreeable really and provides fair, balanced & competitive competition. 2 tiers of 8 could possibly go with top 4 into semi finals and home advantage for the top 2.
If the Tailteann as 2 groups of 8 is agreeable - 2 All Ireland quarter finals and 2 Tailteann quarter finals could be double headers. Semi final double headers as well. The Tailteann final paired with the All Ireland Junior final could be the day before the All Ireland final. Options, options!!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8834 - 24/05/2025 07:27:07    2611993

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Hmmm. Not sure what point you are trying to make there?
The 2026 provincial finalists will all be seeded the same regardless of winning or losing. The finals themselves will essentially be standalone fixtures. All about the glory of winning on the day without any All Ireland benefit, reward or favourable seeding advantage.
Early round matches like DERRY v Donegal, MONAGHAN v Donegal, CAVAN v Tyrone, TYRONE v Armagh, ROSCOMMON v Galway, CORK v Kerry and DUBLIN v Meath will still have no impact on All Ireland qualification.
Between standalone provincial finals and so many "top games" with no All Ireland qualification relevance, the provincial link to the All Ireland is already weakened.
If the next interation of championship changes were to separate the provincials from the All Ireland, it doesn't seem such a drastic change. If the provincials are such sacred cows, they'll stand on their own feet not a bother. They are not far from that already."
In the 2026 system Provincial semi finals will be Sam qualifiers for those teams below 4th in Division 2 of the NFL.
Problem is 3 teams get a bye to those games- 1 in Connacht, 2 in Munster. In the latter you can have Waterford v Limerick for a place in Sam, while Fermanagh or Antrim could have to beat Donegal, Armagh or Tyrone to get to a Semi.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2327 - 24/05/2025 09:10:39    2612001

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