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Replying To Whammo86: "I don't actually know if that's the biggest complaint.
There's quite a few complaints or if not complaints, bad circumstances with the current system.
You've a motion getting through from Dublin with strong backing (far from a small constituency) that's frustrated with the access that clubs get of their county players.
A dual county could get their club championships played off over 12 weeks but is that actually what we want? I really don't know about that at all.
At the same time you've people in the inter county game raising concerns over the league schedule and the demands of it on the players whilst also then discussing how the league isn't actually something that they care for winning.
The whole system makes no sense.
The league is actually a good competition for those outside the top of the tree but is rushed off in February and March. Like what!
I'm absolutely shocked that others can't seem to see the problems with the league.
People like it because the format is neat and makes sense and is meritocratic but the reality of the league is that the good aspects are being put to use in a secondary competition, played at a bad time of year still and where the top teams actually don't want to perform at their best lest they give their hand away before the business end of the season.
So we get good fixtures on paper but not the games to match on the pitch and we will continue to wait until All Ireland quarters or semifinals day before there's a match worth actually paying attention to. Provincial finals don't even really matter that much for some teams." A reminder of the considerations raised by counties during the CCCC consultation last summer:
1) the need to provide a gap week between the Allianz league finals and start of provincial football championships.
2) the one-sided nature of some games (particularly in the early rounds) of the provincial championships.
3) whether the relevance of the provincial championships could be enhanced by providing a greater reward for provincial champions.
4) minimising the break in the calendar between teams exiting the provincial championships and their first game in the Tailteann Cup/Sam Maguire.
5) addressing the condensed nature of certain parts of the championship season (e.g. trying to avoid playing three weeks in-a-row for teams in Sam Maguire/Tailteann Cup preliminary quarter-finals).
1 and 5 can be resolved similar to what I outlined or other ways. Not sure what can be done about 2 - there is no appetite for a tiered provincial structure! 3 seems marginalised in favour of rewarding runners up as well. 4 is tricky - there is going to be a natural gap from provincial knockout to the next game. Anything to be said for releasing players for county leagues when there is that gap from provincial knockout to next game?
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Replying To legendzxix: "A reminder of the considerations raised by counties during the CCCC consultation last summer:
1) the need to provide a gap week between the Allianz league finals and start of provincial football championships.
2) the one-sided nature of some games (particularly in the early rounds) of the provincial championships.
3) whether the relevance of the provincial championships could be enhanced by providing a greater reward for provincial champions.
4) minimising the break in the calendar between teams exiting the provincial championships and their first game in the Tailteann Cup/Sam Maguire.
5) addressing the condensed nature of certain parts of the championship season (e.g. trying to avoid playing three weeks in-a-row for teams in Sam Maguire/Tailteann Cup preliminary quarter-finals).
1 and 5 can be resolved similar to what I outlined or other ways. Not sure what can be done about 2 - there is no appetite for a tiered provincial structure! 3 seems marginalised in favour of rewarding runners up as well. 4 is tricky - there is going to be a natural gap from provincial knockout to the next game. Anything to be said for releasing players for county leagues when there is that gap from provincial knockout to next game?" A lot of that could be improved upon by having a more streamlined season.
Provincials at the start (maybe mismatches outside of the main championship are more palatable).
Provincial champions guaranteed a place in the 2 groups of 8 top tier All Ireland, Provincial runners up only guaranteed a playoff spot.
The main championship would then be quite evenly spaced with roughly 2 games on, 1 week off.
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Fixing one problem at at time will require changing everything (a bit like fixing how football was played)
Problem 1
Insufficient gap after league final, which devalues the competition
Solution - 5-7 match league
Reduce league into groups of 4 x 6 and an 8
Div 1A - Dublin, Armagh, Monaghan, Derry, Tyrone, Meath
Div 1B - Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Cavan, Roscommon
Top 4 into semis - bottom 4 into relegation playoffs -
Div 2A - Down, Louth, Offaly, Kildare, Laois, Antrim
Div 2B - Fermanagh, Clare, Leitrim, Sligo, Cork, Westmeath
Top 4 into semis - bottom 4 into relegation playoffs
Div 4 - Wexford, Limerick, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Top 2 in finals
The reduced no of matches at the top tiers would give an extra incentive to go for the league to avoid a long gap to the championship and to avoid relegation to a lower tier in championship (see solution to problem 5)
Problem 2
Lack of competition in some provinces
Solution - tiered/seeded structure (below uses current league position)
Leinster - Prelim round - bottom 6 - Q finals - 3 prelim winners v 3 of top 4 - Semi Finals - Dublin & 3 q final winners
Munster - top 2 in Semis - everyone else plays off to get there
Ulster - Prelim round - bottom 2
Connacht - Q finals - New York v Rota, London v Rota - top 2 seeded to semi final if not on Rota to NY or London
In 2025, there will be 14 mismatches 4 in Connacht, 4 in Leinster, 2 in Ulster, 4 in Munster
In the above scenario, there will be 4 miss matches (1 x Munster semi, 1 x leinster semi, 1 x leinster final, 1 Connacht q final)
Problem 3
Best teams don't qualify for Sam Maguire due to lopsided provinces
Solution - don't give beaten provincial finalists automatic entry to Sam Maguire.
Problem 4
More reward to be given to provincial winners
Solution - its not a problem at all
Problem 5
Weaker counties still have no chance of silverware - Down (5 Sam Wins) and Meath (7 wins) have won Tailteann Cup.
Solution - 3 tiers - 12 (4 groups of 3), 12 (4 grps of 3) and 9 (3 grps of 3)
Problem 6
Intercounty season too long - not leaving enough room for club
Solution - using the above structures and club championships to have 6 matches maximum (methodology up to the county)
Problem 7
Not enough time for club provincials
Solution - seeded draws based on finishing date of county in All Ireland championships
16/08/26 - All Ireland finalists start club championship
08/11/26 - Clubs from All Ireland finalists enter provincial club championships at semi final stage
22/11/26 - Provincial club finals
20/12/26 - All Ireland club finals
Problem 8
Sigerson Cup overlapping with intercounty season
Solution - play during provincial/all ireland club period or confine to undergraduates only
Problem 9
County Players not playing for club for most of the year
Solution - the above structures (solution 1 and 2) gives a county player 7-13 matches per year - if your a county player, you would want to be playing some club because if your not in playoffs or league semis, you'll have 6-8 weeks off with no game.
Problem 9
No event to showcase Gaelic Games
Solution - using the above structures
1. Div 3 starts in Mid January
2. Div 3 uses St Brigids Weekend as a quadruple header in Croker as a neutral round of matches
3. Div 1 & 2 to have a similar neutral round using Croker, Cork, Galway & Clones on St Patricks Day/weekend
4. League finals in mid April
5. Provincial prelim rounds on May Bank Holiday
6. Provincial finals on June Bank Holiday
7. All Ireland round robin starts 2 weeks after provincial finals
8. All Ireland finals on August Bank Holiday
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Fixing one problem at at time will require changing everything (a bit like fixing how football was played)
Problem 1
Insufficient gap after league final, which devalues the competition
Solution - 5-7 match league
Reduce league into groups of 4 x 6 and an 8
Div 1A - Dublin, Armagh, Monaghan, Derry, Tyrone, Meath
Div 1B - Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Cavan, Roscommon
Top 4 into semis - bottom 4 into relegation playoffs -
Div 2A - Down, Louth, Offaly, Kildare, Laois, Antrim
Div 2B - Fermanagh, Clare, Leitrim, Sligo, Cork, Westmeath
Top 4 into semis - bottom 4 into relegation playoffs
Div 4 - Wexford, Limerick, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Top 2 in finals
The reduced no of matches at the top tiers would give an extra incentive to go for the league to avoid a long gap to the championship and to avoid relegation to a lower tier in championship (see solution to problem 5)
Problem 2
Lack of competition in some provinces
Solution - tiered/seeded structure (below uses current league position)
Leinster - Prelim round - bottom 6 - Q finals - 3 prelim winners v 3 of top 4 - Semi Finals - Dublin & 3 q final winners
Munster - top 2 in Semis - everyone else plays off to get there
Ulster - Prelim round - bottom 2
Connacht - Q finals - New York v Rota, London v Rota - top 2 seeded to semi final if not on Rota to NY or London
In 2025, there will be 14 mismatches 4 in Connacht, 4 in Leinster, 2 in Ulster, 4 in Munster
In the above scenario, there will be 4 miss matches (1 x Munster semi, 1 x leinster semi, 1 x leinster final, 1 Connacht q final)
Problem 3
Best teams don't qualify for Sam Maguire due to lopsided provinces
Solution - don't give beaten provincial finalists automatic entry to Sam Maguire.
Problem 4
More reward to be given to provincial winners
Solution - its not a problem at all
Problem 5
Weaker counties still have no chance of silverware - Down (5 Sam Wins) and Meath (7 wins) have won Tailteann Cup.
Solution - 3 tiers - 12 (4 groups of 3), 12 (4 grps of 3) and 9 (3 grps of 3)
Problem 6
Intercounty season too long - not leaving enough room for club
Solution - using the above structures and club championships to have 6 matches maximum (methodology up to the county)
Problem 7
Not enough time for club provincials
Solution - seeded draws based on finishing date of county in All Ireland championships
16/08/26 - All Ireland finalists start club championship
08/11/26 - Clubs from All Ireland finalists enter provincial club championships at semi final stage
22/11/26 - Provincial club finals
20/12/26 - All Ireland club finals
Problem 8
Sigerson Cup overlapping with intercounty season
Solution - play during provincial/all ireland club period or confine to undergraduates only
Problem 9
County Players not playing for club for most of the year
Solution - the above structures (solution 1 and 2) gives a county player 7-13 matches per year - if your a county player, you would want to be playing some club because if your not in playoffs or league semis, you'll have 6-8 weeks off with no game.
Problem 9
No event to showcase Gaelic Games
Solution - using the above structures
1. Div 3 starts in Mid January
2. Div 3 uses St Brigids Weekend as a quadruple header in Croker as a neutral round of matches
3. Div 1 & 2 to have a similar neutral round using Croker, Cork, Galway & Clones on St Patricks Day/weekend
4. League finals in mid April
5. Provincial prelim rounds on May Bank Holiday
6. Provincial finals on June Bank Holiday
7. All Ireland round robin starts 2 weeks after provincial finals
8. All Ireland finals on August Bank Holiday" I really dislike your attitude to club championship. Max 6 rounds is a terrible offering for players and I just can't see it being for the long term good of the game.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4437 - 18/03/2025 13:48:38
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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns: "The head honchos of the GAA just seem to be copying everything that the AFL in Australia are doing from the field to the format for our form of football.
Zero benefit now to winning a provincial championship except for local bragging rights.
Just a further step to rendering provincial championships as meaningless, which is the end goal I think" You are right .The Gaa set up a group to bring in new rules and from what I can see they just copied most of them from Aussie rules or rugby.The 50metre penalty,handing the ball back and hooter are all just copied from other sports.
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Replying To brayballer: "You are right .The Gaa set up a group to bring in new rules and from what I can see they just copied most of them from Aussie rules or rugby.The 50metre penalty,handing the ball back and hooter are all just copied from other sports." Like jersey numbers, goal nets, a round ball, H shaped posts.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2167 - 18/03/2025 16:00:48
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Replying To Whammo86: " Replying To tirawleybaron: "Fixing one problem at at time will require changing everything (a bit like fixing how football was played)
Problem 1
Insufficient gap after league final, which devalues the competition
Solution - 5-7 match league
Reduce league into groups of 4 x 6 and an 8
Div 1A - Dublin, Armagh, Monaghan, Derry, Tyrone, Meath
Div 1B - Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Cavan, Roscommon
Top 4 into semis - bottom 4 into relegation playoffs -
Div 2A - Down, Louth, Offaly, Kildare, Laois, Antrim
Div 2B - Fermanagh, Clare, Leitrim, Sligo, Cork, Westmeath
Top 4 into semis - bottom 4 into relegation playoffs
Div 4 - Wexford, Limerick, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Top 2 in finals
The reduced no of matches at the top tiers would give an extra incentive to go for the league to avoid a long gap to the championship and to avoid relegation to a lower tier in championship (see solution to problem 5)
Problem 2
Lack of competition in some provinces
Solution - tiered/seeded structure (below uses current league position)
Leinster - Prelim round - bottom 6 - Q finals - 3 prelim winners v 3 of top 4 - Semi Finals - Dublin & 3 q final winners
Munster - top 2 in Semis - everyone else plays off to get there
Ulster - Prelim round - bottom 2
Connacht - Q finals - New York v Rota, London v Rota - top 2 seeded to semi final if not on Rota to NY or London
In 2025, there will be 14 mismatches 4 in Connacht, 4 in Leinster, 2 in Ulster, 4 in Munster
In the above scenario, there will be 4 miss matches (1 x Munster semi, 1 x leinster semi, 1 x leinster final, 1 Connacht q final)
Problem 3
Best teams don't qualify for Sam Maguire due to lopsided provinces
Solution - don't give beaten provincial finalists automatic entry to Sam Maguire.
Problem 4
More reward to be given to provincial winners
Solution - its not a problem at all
Problem 5
Weaker counties still have no chance of silverware - Down (5 Sam Wins) and Meath (7 wins) have won Tailteann Cup.
Solution - 3 tiers - 12 (4 groups of 3), 12 (4 grps of 3) and 9 (3 grps of 3)
Problem 6
Intercounty season too long - not leaving enough room for club
Solution - using the above structures and club championships to have 6 matches maximum (methodology up to the county)
Problem 7
Not enough time for club provincials
Solution - seeded draws based on finishing date of county in All Ireland championships
16/08/26 - All Ireland finalists start club championship
08/11/26 - Clubs from All Ireland finalists enter provincial club championships at semi final stage
22/11/26 - Provincial club finals
20/12/26 - All Ireland club finals
Problem 8
Sigerson Cup overlapping with intercounty season
Solution - play during provincial/all ireland club period or confine to undergraduates only
Problem 9
County Players not playing for club for most of the year
Solution - the above structures (solution 1 and 2) gives a county player 7-13 matches per year - if your a county player, you would want to be playing some club because if your not in playoffs or league semis, you'll have 6-8 weeks off with no game.
Problem 9
No event to showcase Gaelic Games
Solution - using the above structures
1. Div 3 starts in Mid January
2. Div 3 uses St Brigids Weekend as a quadruple header in Croker as a neutral round of matches
3. Div 1 & 2 to have a similar neutral round using Croker, Cork, Galway & Clones on St Patricks Day/weekend
4. League finals in mid April
5. Provincial prelim rounds on May Bank Holiday
6. Provincial finals on June Bank Holiday
7. All Ireland round robin starts 2 weeks after provincial finals
8. All Ireland finals on August Bank Holiday" I really dislike your attitude to club championship. Max 6 rounds is a terrible offering for players and I just can't see it being for the long term good of the game."
When does it start?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3155 - 18/03/2025 17:49:01
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Replying To Whammo86: "A lot of that could be improved upon by having a more streamlined season.
Provincials at the start (maybe mismatches outside of the main championship are more palatable).
Provincial champions guaranteed a place in the 2 groups of 8 top tier All Ireland, Provincial runners up only guaranteed a playoff spot.
The main championship would then be quite evenly spaced with roughly 2 games on, 1 week off." All well and good saying start the season with provincials but it doesn't seem to have gained any traction. The main sticking point is that week off after league finals.
Not sure what the expectation from county boards on mismatches in the provincial championships is if there is no appetite for a qualifying standard.
With the knockout nature of provincial championships, some will have to wait for their next game. That's unavoidable. Currently the Tailteann can only start two weeks after the Leinster and Ulster semi finals. Maybe it could be brought forward a week but a bit harsh on defeated semi finalists.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8631 - 18/03/2025 19:30:33
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Like jersey numbers, goal nets, a round ball, H shaped posts." Silly reply but hardly surprising
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In my AILC, I proposed two Prov rds early (1st half Feb), two rds delayed (SFs Apr end; Finals 2nd half May).
That could be a compromise.
As I incorporate/double up Prov ties into my league-based AILC, there is no waiting around.
That poor horse is truly flogged.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3155 - 18/03/2025 20:35:52
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In my AILC, I proposed two Prov rds early (1st half Feb), two rds delayed (SFs Apr end; Finals 2nd half May).
That could be a compromise.
As I incorporate/double up Prov ties into my league-based AILC, there is no waiting around.
That poor horse is truly flogged." The Errigal Ciaran contingent missed the start of the league. Would be harsh on club players like that to be forced back early for the provincial championship. Unintended consequences and all that.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8631 - 19/03/2025 07:05:21
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Replying To legendzxix: "The Errigal Ciaran contingent missed the start of the league. Would be harsh on club players like that to be forced back early for the provincial championship. Unintended consequences and all that." Fair point.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3155 - 19/03/2025 12:31:17
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Replying To legendzxix: "All well and good saying start the season with provincials but it doesn't seem to have gained any traction. The main sticking point is that week off after league finals.
Not sure what the expectation from county boards on mismatches in the provincial championships is if there is no appetite for a qualifying standard.
With the knockout nature of provincial championships, some will have to wait for their next game. That's unavoidable. Currently the Tailteann can only start two weeks after the Leinster and Ulster semi finals. Maybe it could be brought forward a week but a bit harsh on defeated semi finalists." I mean there's a big difference between starting the Provincials before the current National League versus starting them before a much improved All Ireland championship.
They also wouldn't need to start in January, maybe not even in February.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4437 - 19/03/2025 13:53:52
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Replying To Whammo86: "I mean there's a big difference between starting the Provincials before the current National League versus starting them before a much improved All Ireland championship.
They also wouldn't need to start in January, maybe not even in February." The new format for 2026 could be utilised for providing 11 qualifiers for the next year. 5 places remaining for Tailteann winner and 4 provincial winners.
This would suit alongside a 16:8:8 split. There would still be a gap from provincial knockout to next game but anything to be said for players being released for a few rounds of county league?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8631 - 19/03/2025 15:11:45
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After all the noise about teams not wanting to make the Division 1 final, hard to see how the GAA won't use the extra week freed up by the 2026 format to give that two week gap from league finals to provincial championships.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8631 - 25/03/2025 09:14:09
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Replying To legendzxix: "After all the noise about teams not wanting to make the Division 1 final, hard to see how the GAA won't use the extra week freed up by the 2026 format to give that two week gap from league finals to provincial championships." That would be the common sense thing to do… But the term 'common sense' and the GAA never really seems to go together…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3659 - 25/03/2025 10:11:43
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Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2167 - 25/03/2025 10:34:47
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Replying To legendzxix: "After all the noise about teams not wanting to make the Division 1 final, hard to see how the GAA won't use the extra week freed up by the 2026 format to give that two week gap from league finals to provincial championships." That wont solve the league problem - namely it is seen to be a hinderance to progress in the All Ireland race
The league needs to be restructured so that teams have to take it seriously to get the game time they want.
Putting an extra week after the final before the first round of the championship wont make it any more desirable to do well in.
The solution is something like the structure used in the Hurling league up to 2024
6+6, 6+6 and 8 in the bottom division
5 games - top 1 into league semi, 2&3 into q finals, 4 gets no extra games, 5&6 go to relegation play off
Div 1A -Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Tyrone, Cavan
Div 1B - Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Derry, Meath
Div 2A - Cork, Offaly, Down, Fermanagh, Sligo, Limerick
Div 2B - Louth, Kildare, Westmeath, Clare, Laois, Wexford
Div 3 - Leitrim, Antrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Performance in the league the above would seed a three tier All Ireland. I would give the winners of the lower tier a guaranteed 2 years in the higher tier as a reward for winning a cup.
Sam Maguire - 12 teams (must contain provincial winners + tailteann winners from previous 2 years + div 2 winner)
Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Tyrone, Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Meath, Down, Cork
4 groups of 3, Prov Champions seeded 1, best 4 from league seeded 2, rest seeded 3.
Rd 1: seed 2 home v 3, Rd 2: seed 1 home v 2, Rd3: seed 3 home v 1
Tailteann Cup - 12 teams (must contain provincial finalists (not in sam) and div 4 winners + lower tier winners)
Cavan, Derry, Louth, Offaly, Kildare, Fermanagh, Sligo, Limerick, Westmeath, Clare, Antrim, Wicklow
Tommy Murphy Cup - 8 teams
Wexford, Laois, Leitrim, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Have a seven week gap between league finals and All Ireland championships
With the system above, threading water in the league will result in a long lay off and/or relegation from Sam/Tailteann
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1278 - 25/03/2025 11:11:47
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "That wont solve the league problem - namely it is seen to be a hinderance to progress in the All Ireland race
The league needs to be restructured so that teams have to take it seriously to get the game time they want.
Putting an extra week after the final before the first round of the championship wont make it any more desirable to do well in.
The solution is something like the structure used in the Hurling league up to 2024
6+6, 6+6 and 8 in the bottom division
5 games - top 1 into league semi, 2&3 into q finals, 4 gets no extra games, 5&6 go to relegation play off
Div 1A -Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Tyrone, Cavan
Div 1B - Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Derry, Meath
Div 2A - Cork, Offaly, Down, Fermanagh, Sligo, Limerick
Div 2B - Louth, Kildare, Westmeath, Clare, Laois, Wexford
Div 3 - Leitrim, Antrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Performance in the league the above would seed a three tier All Ireland. I would give the winners of the lower tier a guaranteed 2 years in the higher tier as a reward for winning a cup.
Sam Maguire - 12 teams (must contain provincial winners + tailteann winners from previous 2 years + div 2 winner)
Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Tyrone, Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Meath, Down, Cork
4 groups of 3, Prov Champions seeded 1, best 4 from league seeded 2, rest seeded 3.
Rd 1: seed 2 home v 3, Rd 2: seed 1 home v 2, Rd3: seed 3 home v 1
Tailteann Cup - 12 teams (must contain provincial finalists (not in sam) and div 4 winners + lower tier winners)
Cavan, Derry, Louth, Offaly, Kildare, Fermanagh, Sligo, Limerick, Westmeath, Clare, Antrim, Wicklow
Tommy Murphy Cup - 8 teams
Wexford, Laois, Leitrim, Carlow, Tipperary, Longford, London, Waterford
Have a seven week gap between league finals and All Ireland championships
With the system above, threading water in the league will result in a long lay off and/or relegation from Sam/Tailteann" Good ideas. 'Patrons' will note that Mayo are the first team listed in 1A and the Sam Maguire competition.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4039 - 25/03/2025 11:22:36
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legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8631 - 25/03/2025 12:41:08
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