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Talk about misrepresenting my point, you have a habit of doing that on this thread funny enough. The point is, will Griffin and others be prepared to pay for the resources required to support the expansion of Hurling in weaker counties even if it's only at Go games level for the moment? It's easy to put forward a motion but harder to talk the talk.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 13:45:56 2592442 Link 0 |
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It would surprise you. Hurling people are very passionate about hurling. But if the motion gets passed there should definitely be central funds made available to coach coaches. There are hurling starter packs already being made available as of now. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 14:07:25 2592443 Link 0 |
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"Griffin has some nerve to call for more participation in counties where hurling is weak if that's the case. If called to fund it (which counties like Wexford will be) I guarantee the tune will change quick." This is your post that I answered. You posted it in answer to a poster who said we had less football than hurling fixtures provided by CCC and Games Development. You said Griffin has some nerve if that's the case. This isn't true at all, we have the same number of hurling and football fixtures, which is why I posted the answer I gave you. I didn't misrepresent any point you made. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 14:12:52 2592444 Link 0 |
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But the OP didn't say that at all... never once commented about the amount of fixtures (football vs hurling)... "Whilst motions continue to be put through in wexford to reduce the amount of football being played at underage. Its is ironic in fairness when one of the feedback from the hac in wexford of which griffin is a part of was to push away from underage playing football and fhe very words used was "allow football to compete for more with soccer" Yep so much for pushing GAA participation when the said same people in wexford anyway woukd gladly eradicate football if given the chance, that's the irony really." Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 14:29:40 2592446 Link 0 |
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Funds which will have to be taken from other counties. There isn't a magic money tree in Croke Park. And when push comes to shove, the counties that have the most money to loose will protect their own interests & push back against all this. A hurling "starter" pack is going to cut it.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 14:36:20 2592448 Link 0 |
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Motion withdrawn to enable further consideration. Rightly so. LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 592 - 22/02/2025 15:39:11 2592457 Link 1 |
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Whilst motions continue to be put through in wexford to reduce the amount of football being played at underage. What do you suppose this means then? And it's not true anyway. And yes the HAC advises on hurling in the county. So of course they have an agenda, the clue is in their name. Fact remains there are plenty of Football men in the county also, and on the county board. Our current county chairman comes from Horeswood, a dual club that would have won more senior Football titles, 4 , than hurling ones, zero. His predecessor is from Volunteers, a Football only club who have won our Senior Football Championship 11 times. And his predecessor is from our club, another dual club, and we have never won a SenIor hurling title either, while we have won 3 Senior Football titles. in fact we haven't even been Senior in hurling since the 50s. There are plenty people down here with all sorts of agendas, I'm sure it's the same up your way, so best check anything presented as fact on this forum. Including anything I post. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 15:41:53 2592458 Link 0 |
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It is what it says it is- a starter pack. Hurls, sliotars, helmets. As regards starting from scratch I know a little about this too. I'd never picked up a ball or hit it with a hurl until I was nearly 50. If I'm able to learn as I go, do my coaching courses, and coach young lads then there surely isn't anything stopping you doing the same.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 15:47:06 2592459 Link 0 |
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I agree funds will have to be taken from other projects. But of the 4 main sports the GAA was set up to promote Hurling is by far and away the hardest to get access to for alot of people in this country. Which is a shame as it's a great sport. And probably the most Irish of the sports played in this country.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 15:50:49 2592460 Link 0 |
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I don't think anyone thought it would pass tbh. And I wasn't too into the "fine" element myself. But the status quote hasn't worked for 150 years. The motion has created plenty of debate on the subject, which being realistic was the best out ome it was likely to achieve. Hopefully even this might encourage some of the counties concerned to have a good look at the whole subject. There needs to be something done.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 16:23:17 2592464 Link 0 |
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There was a motion put in only a couple of weeks ago to reduce minor games this year for football and then further reduce them next year, (I can name you the club if you want) it didn't pass but was still put forward but I never claimed that there was less games fkr both codes even though at u14 again there was a proposal to reduce the amount per division at football compared to hurling but I believe it didn't get through. So yes motions continue to be put through to reduce games for football and yes it was in the hurling advisory committee appendix that they believed it should shift from 50 50 to 70 30 with football to compete with soccer. I never claimed there was less games although if certain swathes get their waybrhey most certainly will be. So maybe get your facts straight and stop twisting things like you have a habit of doing, and yes griffin is on said hac that had those remarks. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1447 - 22/02/2025 17:22:55 2592475 Link 0 |
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I'm not twisting anything. You implied that Wexford GAA were reducing the number of underage Football games when that isn't the case. The HAC are of course going to try to do whatever it takes to get Wexford hurling better, and if that's at a cost to Football in the county then I wouldn't say they'd be too bothered. Some hurling minded clubs are going to put in motions that favour hurling, they are entitled to do this, and its up to the rest of us to vote on these, though it has to be said I didn't hear either of the 2 motions about minor or u14 football fixtures being reduced being proposed at any board meeting in the recent past. And I was there. Equally any club can submit motions to further Footballs cause in the County if they wish to do so. And that's not twisting anything either. What is a fact is that there were only 2 clubs,wanted to be in div1 at u14 football, and less than 8 wanted to be in div2, when clubs submitted their preferred gradings last year. Again, that's not County Boards fault, or the CCCs, HACs, or Games Developments. That's also not twisting facts, or implying things that aren't true . Wexford hurling gets far more support from the Wexford public, and also Wexford sponsors, than Wexford Football. Me and you might feel that this shouldn't be, but it is. It therefore follows that more clubs in Wexford lean towards hurling than football, as overall, club membership is a large part of the GAA public. I don't know how you get more ordinary people in the county to watch Football in general, or more specifically support our Footballers. I also don't know how you persuade the county's top young players, who are often the best underage hurlers and the best underage footballers, to choose Football over Hurling. I do know that some very good Footballers who would be fighting to be starting on our minor Football team chose to be way down the list on our minor hurling squad. Some of these didn't make the final hurling panel then, but are lost to our minor footballers for this year. At the end of the day you can't force a 16 year old to make better choices. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 18:38:35 2592485 Link 0 |
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"Whilst motions continue to be put through in wexford to reduce the amount of football being played at underage." That's exactly what you posted. Now you can twist things whatever way you want but no such motions got voted in, or put through, or whatever other way you want to twist it. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 18:53:40 2592487 Link 0 |
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Absolutely. Mandating clubs to accommodate hurling without a roadmap on how to do that would be recipe a disaster. I'm sure he'd be very welcome in Leitrim to discuss all of this... and we'd likely tell him that we hurling cannot be promoted without proper resourcing not by "here's a hurling starter pack and away you go".
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 19:07:00 2592489 Link 1 |
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I never said they were voted in did i! But continue to be pushed. You were the one went off on one about football,, versus hurling games and yes fhe hac didn't comment about letting football compete with soccer! Hence the irony part. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1447 - 22/02/2025 19:07:05 2592490 Link 0 |
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And funnily enough other posters have already called you out on this by pointing out what the op being me had saod compared to what you actually read in your own head, see posts above!
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1447 - 22/02/2025 19:14:17 2592492 Link 0 |
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Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2021 - 22/02/2025 19:16:40 2592493 Link 0 |
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Yeah fair point.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1447 - 22/02/2025 19:23:23 2592495 Link 0 |
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Ah ok sorry for the misunderstanding. You said "put through" which I took to mean passed. I know there are more hurling leaning lads in Wexford than Football leaning lads. That's just the way it is. But I know plenty of lads who like both.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 20:04:00 2592500 Link 0 |
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Getting dinner now. I'll be grand in a few more minutes.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 20:04:43 2592502 Link 0 |