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St Mary's Rosslare/Liam Griffin Motion At Congress

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Forgive me while I stifle a laugh As I said earlier you are very easily pleased. Kilkenny as a county doesn't give a rattling damn about football."
They don't. But they still make it available for kids to play. Proper Gaels.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 08:39:40    2592384

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Replying To Square_B:  "Would Wexford and counties like yourselves be prepared to fund it though?"
I'd sell tickets or otherwise give some of my time, and financially support it best I can.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 08:42:09    2592385

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Some expert on every possible topic"
I'm not an expert on very much. But I know what I know. Where are those links to GPO vacancies you said weren't being filled?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 08:43:15    2592386

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I would instinctively support the Mary's motion and as with the language am not opposed to degrees of "compulsion" to protect and enhance natural culture.

On other hand it would be massive logistical problem for many clubs, including my old one who struggle at the moment with start of season to put out adult teams.

I could see it working but only with significant external support from county boards and Croke Park via equipment and coaches. Be interesting debate/

Dublin now have a policy to force choice between both games at under 15 and 16. This is being touted as boost for hurling. Not so sure about that.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3424 - 22/02/2025 08:46:08    2592391

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Forgive me while I stifle a laugh As I said earlier you are very easily pleased. Kilkenny as a county doesn't give a rattling damn about football."
Greengrass, I'm sure you are a proper Gael too. I'm pretty sure from reading your posts over the years that you have served alot of time on your County Board, and also that you like hurling yourself.
A clubman of mine hurled for Louth a few years back, he said there are plenty of good hurling people in your county. He also said there are plenty of anti hurling Football men, that would rather bring their kids to play soccer than hurling.
What do you think will work in your county to get some of the bigger clubs there to at least do as the larger Kilkenny clubs do with Football, offer young lads the chance to play it even if they themselves have no time for it?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 09:32:24    2592396

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I would instinctively support the Mary's motion and as with the language am not opposed to degrees of "compulsion" to protect and enhance natural culture.

On other hand it would be massive logistical problem for many clubs, including my old one who struggle at the moment with start of season to put out adult teams.

I could see it working but only with significant external support from county boards and Croke Park via equipment and coaches. Be interesting debate/

Dublin now have a policy to force choice between both games at under 15 and 16. This is being touted as boost for hurling. Not so sure about that."
Is the choice being pushed in dublin at county or club level too for 15 /16 year olds .
I know pressure is put on lads indirectly at club level within wexfird for lads to concentrate on hurling .
That's why I I feel the motion is a little ironic really

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 22/02/2025 09:56:52    2592401

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Replying To Viking66:  "Greengrass, I'm sure you are a proper Gael too. I'm pretty sure from reading your posts over the years that you have served alot of time on your County Board, and also that you like hurling yourself.
A clubman of mine hurled for Louth a few years back, he said there are plenty of good hurling people in your county. He also said there are plenty of anti hurling Football men, that would rather bring their kids to play soccer than hurling.
What do you think will work in your county to get some of the bigger clubs there to at least do as the larger Kilkenny clubs do with Football, offer young lads the chance to play it even if they themselves have no time for it?"
Schools programme as part of physical education programme with the background and history of the game integrated. Videos/ demonstrations, talks celebrity guests and then have the equipment/gear to let them all try it practically.

Surely croke park could finance an initiative to have a few travelling crews /show that could go county by county school by school to first generate the interest in the game if their serious about promoting the game .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 22/02/2025 10:05:41    2592403

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Forgive me while I stifle a laugh As I said earlier you are very easily pleased. Kilkenny as a county doesn't give a rattling damn about football."
Sorry for the intrusion. As you know there are a few countries that couldn't give a rattling damn about football however they continue to go through the motions.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3109 - 22/02/2025 10:09:09    2592404

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Replying To supersub15:  "Sorry for the intrusion. As you know there are a few countries that couldn't give a rattling damn about football however they continue to go through the motions."
That's all this Motion is asking of counties either. Offer the chance for young lads to play hurling sane as Kilkenny does with Football.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 10:27:36    2592407

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Schools programme as part of physical education programme with the background and history of the game integrated. Videos/ demonstrations, talks celebrity guests and then have the equipment/gear to let them all try it practically.

Surely croke park could finance an initiative to have a few travelling crews /show that could go county by county school by school to first generate the interest in the game if their serious about promoting the game ."
I do think the Government, Dept of Education, need to be more pro-active for sure. Unfortunately there's little any of us can do about that.
I agree that travelling crews/shows would be a great idea, but there has to be somewhere for the lads to play hurling before that happens. Otherwise you are really only winding them up. Look what a great game this is for a morning, then bye for another year and you won't get to see a hurl except on tv.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 10:31:12    2592408

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Is the choice being pushed in dublin at county or club level too for 15 /16 year olds .
I know pressure is put on lads indirectly at club level within wexfird for lads to concentrate on hurling .
That's why I I feel the motion is a little ironic really"
Not directly involved so not sure if and how it is working.

I imagine will depend on club. There are effectively two sections in some bigger clubs with competition between games for players at all ages.

Dublin being Dublin, football will always win a trial of strength with hurling including within the biggest clubs. Either that or they'd split.

The notion that a 15 year old young fella might not only enjoy both but be able to balance them until he does decide one way or other seems beyond the ken of some people. Besides, it is none of their business.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3424 - 22/02/2025 10:46:29    2592409

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'd sell tickets or otherwise give some of my time, and financially support it best I can."
That's not the question I asked.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 11:26:08    2592416

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Is the choice being pushed in dublin at county or club level too for 15 /16 year olds .
I know pressure is put on lads indirectly at club level within wexfird for lads to concentrate on hurling .
That's why I I feel the motion is a little ironic really"
Yep true,

Whilst motions continue to be put through in wexford to reduce the amount of football being played at underage. Its is ironic in fairness when one of the feedback from the hac in wexford of which griffin is a part of was to push away from underage playing football and fhe very words used was "allow football to compete for more with soccer"

Yep so much for pushing GAA participation when the said same people in wexford anyway woukd gladly eradicate football if given the chance, that's the irony really.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1447 - 22/02/2025 12:17:22    2592421

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Kilkenny provide football? You're easily pleased."
A hell of a lot more clubs offer football to kids in Kilkenny than Louth offer hurling to kids in Louth?

Is it true Louth only provide hurling to 4 clubs in the whole of Louth?

That is an embarrassment to your county Greengrass.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 859 - 22/02/2025 12:33:45    2592424

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Replying To tearintom:  "Yep true,

Whilst motions continue to be put through in wexford to reduce the amount of football being played at underage. Its is ironic in fairness when one of the feedback from the hac in wexford of which griffin is a part of was to push away from underage playing football and fhe very words used was "allow football to compete for more with soccer"

Yep so much for pushing GAA participation when the said same people in wexford anyway woukd gladly eradicate football if given the chance, that's the irony really."
Griffin has some nerve to call for more participation in counties where hurling is weak if that's the case. If called to fund it (which counties like Wexford will be) I guarantee the tune will change quick.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 12:40:26    2592426

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Replying To tearintom:  "Yep true,

Whilst motions continue to be put through in wexford to reduce the amount of football being played at underage. Its is ironic in fairness when one of the feedback from the hac in wexford of which griffin is a part of was to push away from underage playing football and fhe very words used was "allow football to compete for more with soccer"

Yep so much for pushing GAA participation when the said same people in wexford anyway woukd gladly eradicate football if given the chance, that's the irony really."
What motions? We have exactly the same schedule of games for Football and Hurling from u8 to minor.
As regards the HAC of course they are going to push Hurling. The clue is in the name.
There's plenty of clubs like ours who put as much time into Football as hurling in the county.
It's up to Football people in the country to try make Football more popular, the FRC and the changes they have introduced are an excellent start that way.
And at county level it's up to Football people to try encourage more of the Wexford public to buy in to our Football team. We have excellent people in place in some of the Football jobs, John Hegarty and his management team and players are going well playing a good brand of Football to watch, Lloyd Colfer and Eoin Doyle are from our club and great Football promoters.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 12:57:43    2592427

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Is the choice being pushed in dublin at county or club level too for 15 /16 year olds .
I know pressure is put on lads indirectly at club level within wexfird for lads to concentrate on hurling .
That's why I I feel the motion is a little ironic really"
Depends on the club. They nearly all offer Football too, which is the point of this Motion re Hurling.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 12:59:17    2592428

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Replying To Square_B:  "That's not the question I asked."
Will Leitrim Board give us money towards promoting Football? If that's what you were asking?
We never asked them to. Why would we? We are a GAA county, not a hurling or football one. Sad to say that's also true as regards intercounty success at the top level, but it is what it is and we are working hard to change that.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 13:02:12    2592430

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Replying To Square_B:  "Griffin has some nerve to call for more participation in counties where hurling is weak if that's the case. If called to fund it (which counties like Wexford will be) I guarantee the tune will change quick."
That's not the case. Every young lad in our county can play Football with his local club, or one nearby, in our county. Same as hurling.
You are obviously an Internet man, you are on this forum. It shouldn't be too hard to find our underage fixtures and results from last year, without taking misinformation as gospel.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14821 - 22/02/2025 13:12:28    2592437

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Replying To Viking66:  "Will Leitrim Board give us money towards promoting Football? If that's what you were asking?
We never asked them to. Why would we? We are a GAA county, not a hurling or football one. Sad to say that's also true as regards intercounty success at the top level, but it is what it is and we are working hard to change that."
We're soon to be a Division 4 team.... your team will be probably Division 3 next year so I'm not sure you'd be looking to Leitrim to fund your football development plans.

At the end of the day, the notional idea of getting clubs in weaker counties to promote hurling will go nowhere without funding & that will have to come from Croke Park which in turn will come from reduced contributions from CP to counties. It's completely laughable the suggestion that 'tickets' could be sold to 'fund' the development of hurling in weaker counties. People barely contribute to their local clubs without caljuling never mind for the benefit of other counties.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1159 - 22/02/2025 13:15:22    2592439

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