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Motion For Inter-County Players To Play More Club Games

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Replying To brianb:  "Be careful what you wish for. Lets say there's a national championship for hurling with 10 teams. There would need to be relegation for the bottom team. As Offaly found out - you can go from beaten Leinster finalist in 2004 to 3rd tier relegation in 2019.

Perhaps the change you're asking for is a relegation playoff between the bottom team in Leinster and the bottom team in Munster. Yes, this year Tipperary would have probably beaten Carlow well; but next year or the year after a relegation playoff between Antrim or Offaly against Waterford - would you be 100% sure of winning that?"
I actually used a computer program to input all competitions with a calendar. A league championship allowed for a shut down in Dec,Jan, and Feb. and also got the club championship done. A play off system with the top two or three automatically qualifying. The middle contesting for a spot and the bottom fighting two teams either playing for or avoiding relegation. Three divisions would cover all the counties with the same system. Everyone playing for something should avoid dead rubbers. Tipp's last game this year was a dead rubber for them anyway. Like you said if Waterford were in a relegation battle with Offaly or Antrim it would be a true reflection of where they were and no complaints. Not being in the All-Ireland series this year was not. Not because it is us but could be any team.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2899 - 19/12/2024 14:59:53    2584105

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Provincial councils won't go for it but the Dublin motion for 4 league games could be achieved through decoupling provincial championships from the All Ireland. Provincial rounds and county league rounds could be played on alternate weekends.
1. Leinster and Ulster preliminary
2. Connacht and Munster quarter finals
3. Leinster and Ulster quarter finals
4. Connacht and Munster semi finals
5. Leinster and Munster semi finals
6. Connacht and Munster finals
7. Leinster and Ulster finals
Leinster and Ulster county leagues could be played on weekends 2, 4, 6 and possibly the weekend before weekend 1. Connacht and Munster county leagues played on weekends 1, 3, 5 and 7."
As you stated, I also don't think 'decoupling' Prov SFCs would get approved (e.g. Ulster says NO! in particular). My AILC neither fully couples nor decouples - with no Sam guarantee, Prov match pts are kind of a halfway house.

The 'alternating week' schedule though is a good one.

Given a total playing calendar of about 40 weeks (say, start-Feb to mid-Nov) - I suppose to be objectively fair - the inter-county and club should allocate evenly - each get 20 weeks, maybe split into 4 windows. That would require a smaller inter-county footprint - maybe with league reduced to 4-6 games.

As the league with its '4 divs of 8' is so popular - it could be left in place - a Swiss System could reduce the schedule from 7 games. Say, for scheduling only - teams are ranked 1-8 in each div - so for a
6-game schedule, A1458 v B2367, and in each group (A or B), 'best & worst v mid 2' (i.e. A18 v A45 & B27 v B36).
For 5 games, A1458 v B2367, and in each group teams 'with a seeding difference of 4', play the extra game (e.g. A1vA5, B3vB7).
For 4 games, it's just A1458 v B2367.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2938 - 19/12/2024 18:19:55    2584129

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Replying To omahant:  "As you stated, I also don't think 'decoupling' Prov SFCs would get approved (e.g. Ulster says NO! in particular). My AILC neither fully couples nor decouples - with no Sam guarantee, Prov match pts are kind of a halfway house.

The 'alternating week' schedule though is a good one.

Given a total playing calendar of about 40 weeks (say, start-Feb to mid-Nov) - I suppose to be objectively fair - the inter-county and club should allocate evenly - each get 20 weeks, maybe split into 4 windows. That would require a smaller inter-county footprint - maybe with league reduced to 4-6 games.

As the league with its '4 divs of 8' is so popular - it could be left in place - a Swiss System could reduce the schedule from 7 games. Say, for scheduling only - teams are ranked 1-8 in each div - so for a
6-game schedule, A1458 v B2367, and in each group (A or B), 'best & worst v mid 2' (i.e. A18 v A45 & B27 v B36).
For 5 games, A1458 v B2367, and in each group teams 'with a seeding difference of 4', play the extra game (e.g. A1vA5, B3vB7).
For 4 games, it's just A1458 v B2367."
Pikeman96 is right about Dublin. They need to get their own structures in place instead of trying to impose it on the whole country. Players should be more available for their clubs but counties have to sort that for themselves. The Down manager was supposed to be good at releasing players back to their clubs.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8384 - 19/12/2024 21:14:04    2584146

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