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Replying To Viking66: "Jacko is/was 30 this year." Jacko is 1994, Kevin Foley/Jippo/Donohoe are 1995
Then you have Dunbar who's 1996 and then Casey and Shane Reck who are 1997
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 28/05/2025 19:06:12
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Replying To Viking66: "Been over that a few times on this. I agree what we have isn't ideal." Yes we have viking. You know what they say though, if you throw enough dirt some of it might stick. If you know what I mean.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 502 - 28/05/2025 20:23:30
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Far from retiring lads I think Wexford people should be hoping these players stay on because I really fear for you if the older players (your best players all year) leave the setup.
You need experience and a load of it. I remember when Conal K left the Dublin setup and our forward unit was lost without him.
Its not as if you have 3xU21 teams coming through. Be very careful what you wish for regarding retiring players.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 29/05/2025 12:33:07
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Far from retiring lads I think Wexford people should be hoping these players stay on because I really fear for you if the older players (your best players all year) leave the setup.
You need experience and a load of it. I remember when Conal K left the Dublin setup and our forward unit was lost without him.
Its not as if you have 3xU21 teams coming through. Be very careful what you wish for regarding retiring players." In fairness, I don't think anybody is actually wishing for those retirements. They're just speculating that some of them might happen.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2897 - 29/05/2025 12:40:56
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Replying To Magpie2: "Yeah well deserved even though it was a game of zero importance.
Total madness that we have to wait 8 months,
I'll repeat that, 8 months before we can see him and the rest of the lads play intercounty again.
In a few weeks we'll have club games of low interest due to the fact that the group games have little or no jeopardy. Time the County board delegates woke up to the fact that the present system needs changing and put some zest back into our local championship once more." Club hurling and football is a poor standard in Wexford is probably the biggest issue facing the county. Not the county scene.
In other counties lads are training from December or January for championship. Underage coaching is really important, plenty of resources are put into it at club level. Club players follow gym and conditioning programmes. GAA is their number one sport. Adult coaching is of a really serious standard, including outside coaches who bring new ideas and up to date methods. Winning a club league or championship means something to clubs and players, so they put in effort. And I don't mean counties like Kilkenny or Limerick or Tyrone or Armagh, I mean Wicklow, Waterford, Westmeath, Laois, Clare.
In Wexford, lads don't train from December or January, they play soccer until March/April then turn up. Underage coaching has plenty of effort put in here, but is behind what other counties are doing. Some of the S&C's and fitness lads going around the clubs in Wexford are useless, and if players are playing soccer until March they are really limited in what they can do anyway. Adult coaching in Wexford, of hurling and football, is quite frankly just poor. People whine about football / hurling competing for training time, but the standard of coaching is bad from senior level all the way down, so the football-hurling thing is a red herring. Outside coaches are not up to the standard of what clubs in other counties are bringing in, a lot of which is due to our geographic location (we are hours from Dublin or other good football counties, we are only really adjacent to Kilkenny and Waterford in hurling, neither of which are producing many top coaches). Internal Wexford coaches are generally not up to it and are years behind, with a couple of exceptions. Winning a club league means nothing in Wexford, which frankly is pathetic. Winning a club championship doesn't mean a whole lot - players and clubs aren't thinking about winning a championship from the previous Halloween, they start thinking about it after St Patrick's Day.
One of the main reasons there has been so much whining about the intercounty season finishing for us already, is that we all know, even subconsciously, that club championship is poor. In Galway or Cork or Tipperary they can't wait for club championship. It means something, the players take it seriously, the clubs are serious and the games then are hell for leather.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2580 - 29/05/2025 16:02:58
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Replying To icehonesty: "Club hurling and football is a poor standard in Wexford is probably the biggest issue facing the county. Not the county scene.
In other counties lads are training from December or January for championship. Underage coaching is really important, plenty of resources are put into it at club level. Club players follow gym and conditioning programmes. GAA is their number one sport. Adult coaching is of a really serious standard, including outside coaches who bring new ideas and up to date methods. Winning a club league or championship means something to clubs and players, so they put in effort. And I don't mean counties like Kilkenny or Limerick or Tyrone or Armagh, I mean Wicklow, Waterford, Westmeath, Laois, Clare.
In Wexford, lads don't train from December or January, they play soccer until March/April then turn up. Underage coaching has plenty of effort put in here, but is behind what other counties are doing. Some of the S&C's and fitness lads going around the clubs in Wexford are useless, and if players are playing soccer until March they are really limited in what they can do anyway. Adult coaching in Wexford, of hurling and football, is quite frankly just poor. People whine about football / hurling competing for training time, but the standard of coaching is bad from senior level all the way down, so the football-hurling thing is a red herring. Outside coaches are not up to the standard of what clubs in other counties are bringing in, a lot of which is due to our geographic location (we are hours from Dublin or other good football counties, we are only really adjacent to Kilkenny and Waterford in hurling, neither of which are producing many top coaches). Internal Wexford coaches are generally not up to it and are years behind, with a couple of exceptions. Winning a club league means nothing in Wexford, which frankly is pathetic. Winning a club championship doesn't mean a whole lot - players and clubs aren't thinking about winning a championship from the previous Halloween, they start thinking about it after St Patrick's Day.
One of the main reasons there has been so much whining about the intercounty season finishing for us already, is that we all know, even subconsciously, that club championship is poor. In Galway or Cork or Tipperary they can't wait for club championship. It means something, the players take it seriously, the clubs are serious and the games then are hell for leather." I'd have to absolutely fundamentally disagree here that clubs don't take the club championships seriously, or that winning a championship means nothing.
And I'd have to suspect that anybody who thinks so isn't too closely involved with a championship team themselves.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2897 - 29/05/2025 17:05:21
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Replying To icehonesty: "Club hurling and football is a poor standard in Wexford is probably the biggest issue facing the county. Not the county scene.
In other counties lads are training from December or January for championship. Underage coaching is really important, plenty of resources are put into it at club level. Club players follow gym and conditioning programmes. GAA is their number one sport. Adult coaching is of a really serious standard, including outside coaches who bring new ideas and up to date methods. Winning a club league or championship means something to clubs and players, so they put in effort. And I don't mean counties like Kilkenny or Limerick or Tyrone or Armagh, I mean Wicklow, Waterford, Westmeath, Laois, Clare.
In Wexford, lads don't train from December or January, they play soccer until March/April then turn up. Underage coaching has plenty of effort put in here, but is behind what other counties are doing. Some of the S&C's and fitness lads going around the clubs in Wexford are useless, and if players are playing soccer until March they are really limited in what they can do anyway. Adult coaching in Wexford, of hurling and football, is quite frankly just poor. People whine about football / hurling competing for training time, but the standard of coaching is bad from senior level all the way down, so the football-hurling thing is a red herring. Outside coaches are not up to the standard of what clubs in other counties are bringing in, a lot of which is due to our geographic location (we are hours from Dublin or other good football counties, we are only really adjacent to Kilkenny and Waterford in hurling, neither of which are producing many top coaches). Internal Wexford coaches are generally not up to it and are years behind, with a couple of exceptions. Winning a club league means nothing in Wexford, which frankly is pathetic. Winning a club championship doesn't mean a whole lot - players and clubs aren't thinking about winning a championship from the previous Halloween, they start thinking about it after St Patrick's Day.
One of the main reasons there has been so much whining about the intercounty season finishing for us already, is that we all know, even subconsciously, that club championship is poor. In Galway or Cork or Tipperary they can't wait for club championship. It means something, the players take it seriously, the clubs are serious and the games then are hell for leather." Yeh very hard to keep a player interested all year round when the leagues mean nothing and the championship has no bite. And a drop off in standard is the inevitable outcome as lads know they are training in January for an important knockout game in August/September. Then you've dual clubs getting punished for trying to stay true to the values of the GAA. Something has to change in Wexford.
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 281 - 29/05/2025 17:28:48
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Replying To icehonesty: "Club hurling and football is a poor standard in Wexford is probably the biggest issue facing the county. Not the county scene.
In other counties lads are training from December or January for championship. Underage coaching is really important, plenty of resources are put into it at club level. Club players follow gym and conditioning programmes. GAA is their number one sport. Adult coaching is of a really serious standard, including outside coaches who bring new ideas and up to date methods. Winning a club league or championship means something to clubs and players, so they put in effort. And I don't mean counties like Kilkenny or Limerick or Tyrone or Armagh, I mean Wicklow, Waterford, Westmeath, Laois, Clare.
In Wexford, lads don't train from December or January, they play soccer until March/April then turn up. Underage coaching has plenty of effort put in here, but is behind what other counties are doing. Some of the S&C's and fitness lads going around the clubs in Wexford are useless, and if players are playing soccer until March they are really limited in what they can do anyway. Adult coaching in Wexford, of hurling and football, is quite frankly just poor. People whine about football / hurling competing for training time, but the standard of coaching is bad from senior level all the way down, so the football-hurling thing is a red herring. Outside coaches are not up to the standard of what clubs in other counties are bringing in, a lot of which is due to our geographic location (we are hours from Dublin or other good football counties, we are only really adjacent to Kilkenny and Waterford in hurling, neither of which are producing many top coaches). Internal Wexford coaches are generally not up to it and are years behind, with a couple of exceptions. Winning a club league means nothing in Wexford, which frankly is pathetic. Winning a club championship doesn't mean a whole lot - players and clubs aren't thinking about winning a championship from the previous Halloween, they start thinking about it after St Patrick's Day.
One of the main reasons there has been so much whining about the intercounty season finishing for us already, is that we all know, even subconsciously, that club championship is poor. In Galway or Cork or Tipperary they can't wait for club championship. It means something, the players take it seriously, the clubs are serious and the games then are hell for leather." Club championship means more to some clubs than others. Here, Clare or anywhere else. Alot of clubs here have fitness and gym targets for their players, even in Intermediate A. Depends alot on the manager in some, but is player driven in others. There are good and bad coaches everywhere in every county. You have some number of generalisations all wrapped up in the one post.
And the bottom line is this, most of the people whinging about the county championships finishing in July have vested interests, or little or no interest in club championships. Or both.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16050 - 29/05/2025 18:28:26
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I'd have to absolutely fundamentally disagree here that clubs don't take the club championships seriously, or that winning a championship means nothing.
And I'd have to suspect that anybody who thinks so isn't too closely involved with a championship team themselves." I agree with you.
If anything the opposite is the problem in that many excellent club players have no interest in the county
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3673 - 29/05/2025 19:00:23
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Replying To WexMurph: "Yeh very hard to keep a player interested all year round when the leagues mean nothing and the championship has no bite. And a drop off in standard is the inevitable outcome as lads know they are training in January for an important knockout game in August/September. Then you've dual clubs getting punished for trying to stay true to the values of the GAA. Something has to change in Wexford." Club hurling at all levels is a poor standard
What would you expect with the format of preliminary q finals.Some so called hurling genius came up with this plan so a team can win 1 game out of 5 and probably avoid relegation. We need to take fixture decisions away from club.
Top 4 in each group into qfinals
2 co finalists promoted
Bottom 2 in each groups into relegation finals
2 losers relegated
At least that would bring some intensity into the championships and teams would go hell for leather
As for underage
Get rid of co shields from u16 up
It's embarrassing for players to be playing for them
You are removing the reality that your not good enough
So train harder to win a championship
Spidey1 (Wicklow) - Posts: 17 - 29/05/2025 20:15:55
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Replying To icehonesty: "Club hurling and football is a poor standard in Wexford is probably the biggest issue facing the county. Not the county scene.
In other counties lads are training from December or January for championship. Underage coaching is really important, plenty of resources are put into it at club level. Club players follow gym and conditioning programmes. GAA is their number one sport. Adult coaching is of a really serious standard, including outside coaches who bring new ideas and up to date methods. Winning a club league or championship means something to clubs and players, so they put in effort. And I don't mean counties like Kilkenny or Limerick or Tyrone or Armagh, I mean Wicklow, Waterford, Westmeath, Laois, Clare.
In Wexford, lads don't train from December or January, they play soccer until March/April then turn up. Underage coaching has plenty of effort put in here, but is behind what other counties are doing. Some of the S&C's and fitness lads going around the clubs in Wexford are useless, and if players are playing soccer until March they are really limited in what they can do anyway. Adult coaching in Wexford, of hurling and football, is quite frankly just poor. People whine about football / hurling competing for training time, but the standard of coaching is bad from senior level all the way down, so the football-hurling thing is a red herring. Outside coaches are not up to the standard of what clubs in other counties are bringing in, a lot of which is due to our geographic location (we are hours from Dublin or other good football counties, we are only really adjacent to Kilkenny and Waterford in hurling, neither of which are producing many top coaches). Internal Wexford coaches are generally not up to it and are years behind, with a couple of exceptions. Winning a club league means nothing in Wexford, which frankly is pathetic. Winning a club championship doesn't mean a whole lot - players and clubs aren't thinking about winning a championship from the previous Halloween, they start thinking about it after St Patrick's Day.
One of the main reasons there has been so much whining about the intercounty season finishing for us already, is that we all know, even subconsciously, that club championship is poor. In Galway or Cork or Tipperary they can't wait for club championship. It means something, the players take it seriously, the clubs are serious and the games then are hell for leather." Don't know what club your from but in Oylegate the lads have been back training since the start of January. They're on S&C programs, we put in a gym for them, pay for a nutritionist etc, outside mangers, Kieran Joyce this year, Des Mythen the previous couple of years. So training 6 months before championship starts. A lot of lads playing two league games a week as we have 3 or 4 lads with the county Seniors and a couple with the u20s and lads away in college.
Underage teams from U14, U16 and U18 back the start of February.
We're a small club punching above our weight and we're mad to win a County Final.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 536 - 29/05/2025 21:58:50
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Replying To Spidey1: "Club hurling at all levels is a poor standard
What would you expect with the format of preliminary q finals.Some so called hurling genius came up with this plan so a team can win 1 game out of 5 and probably avoid relegation. We need to take fixture decisions away from club.
Top 4 in each group into qfinals
2 co finalists promoted
Bottom 2 in each groups into relegation finals
2 losers relegated
At least that would bring some intensity into the championships and teams would go hell for leather
As for underage
Get rid of co shields from u16 up
It's embarrassing for players to be playing for them
You are removing the reality that your not good enough
So train harder to win a championship" Think the hurling club championship is a major part of the problem . U only have to win 1 game all year to stay up out of 6 u could win 5 and go out in 1/4 final lose 5 and win championship.
Point is u only need to peak from late August onwards to have a successful year . After starting training in possibly January. Keeping lads interested and filling the appetite has to be nigh on impossible. End up going through the motions mediocrity sets in .
Which can lead to a stateless. U need to be challenged in every aspect of hurling in at least two thirds of yiur games not just be going through the motions.
We live off adrenaline which only kicks in when we are challenged or under pressure. Current format is a haven for mediocrity and losers .
We need more jeopardy in our championship and find some way of making our all county leagues more competitive worth winning .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 363 - 29/05/2025 22:48:00
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Unless things are very different in the past 2 years I would refute the suggestion that clubs don't care.
If anything, clubs prepare better now than ever. I am in a fitness app group with some friends and they are still very fit but only started training seriously really around April. I started a couple of months earlier for Aussie rules but they are largely after catching up
What Wexford club hurling lacked to me was real jeopardy in every game. Which is why I suggested at end of group top play 2nd, 3rd play 4th with losers of top v 2nd playing winners of 3rd v 4th. 5th v 6th for relegation but only if teams on same points, otherwise 6th only. Incentive for teams to win matches should never not be there.
I also think club hurling lacked pace and a bit like our county team lacked fast moving ball into the forwards. It was as if every club wanted to take 5 passes where 1 was needed.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1848 - 29/05/2025 23:49:40
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Replying To Spidey1: "Club hurling at all levels is a poor standard
What would you expect with the format of preliminary q finals.Some so called hurling genius came up with this plan so a team can win 1 game out of 5 and probably avoid relegation. We need to take fixture decisions away from club.
Top 4 in each group into qfinals
2 co finalists promoted
Bottom 2 in each groups into relegation finals
2 losers relegated
At least that would bring some intensity into the championships and teams would go hell for leather
As for underage
Get rid of co shields from u16 up
It's embarrassing for players to be playing for them
You are removing the reality that your not good enough
So train harder to win a championship" Really like that idea for our club championship . Means every game in the group matters and has something riding on it . The current format is a joke how can you call it championship when a team can lose 5 games and still win the county final
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 643 - 30/05/2025 00:24:33
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Replying To Spidey1: "Club hurling at all levels is a poor standard
What would you expect with the format of preliminary q finals.Some so called hurling genius came up with this plan so a team can win 1 game out of 5 and probably avoid relegation. We need to take fixture decisions away from club.
Top 4 in each group into qfinals
2 co finalists promoted
Bottom 2 in each groups into relegation finals
2 losers relegated
At least that would bring some intensity into the championships and teams would go hell for leather
As for underage
Get rid of co shields from u16 up
It's embarrassing for players to be playing for them
You are removing the reality that your not good enough
So train harder to win a championship" I'm not saying our club championship is perfect right...but if it's poor at all levels how is it that last year we had two teams in Leinster finals, one winning it, and Martin's losing narrowly away from home to eventual all Ireland champions?
At underage level this year we've played Kilkenny clubs, Waterford clubs and Dublin clubs. We're beating them all, to the point we're having to instruct our best players not to take shots.....
The best games we're getting are from Martin's and Rathnure
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3673 - 30/05/2025 08:10:51
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Replying To WEX98: "Don't know what club your from but in Oylegate the lads have been back training since the start of January. They're on S&C programs, we put in a gym for them, pay for a nutritionist etc, outside mangers, Kieran Joyce this year, Des Mythen the previous couple of years. So training 6 months before championship starts. A lot of lads playing two league games a week as we have 3 or 4 lads with the county Seniors and a couple with the u20s and lads away in college.
Underage teams from U14, U16 and U18 back the start of February.
We're a small club punching above our weight and we're mad to win a County Final." I can tell you the harriers are dying to win a county final.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3673 - 30/05/2025 09:51:45
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Replying To WEX98: "Don't know what club your from but in Oylegate the lads have been back training since the start of January. They're on S&C programs, we put in a gym for them, pay for a nutritionist etc, outside mangers, Kieran Joyce this year, Des Mythen the previous couple of years. So training 6 months before championship starts. A lot of lads playing two league games a week as we have 3 or 4 lads with the county Seniors and a couple with the u20s and lads away in college.
Underage teams from U14, U16 and U18 back the start of February.
We're a small club punching above our weight and we're mad to win a County Final." That's brilliant, delighted to heat that. Oylegate a great club, always punching above your weight.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2580 - 30/05/2025 10:05:11
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Replying To Formertownie: "Think the hurling club championship is a major part of the problem . U only have to win 1 game all year to stay up out of 6 u could win 5 and go out in 1/4 final lose 5 and win championship.
Point is u only need to peak from late August onwards to have a successful year . After starting training in possibly January. Keeping lads interested and filling the appetite has to be nigh on impossible. End up going through the motions mediocrity sets in .
Which can lead to a stateless. U need to be challenged in every aspect of hurling in at least two thirds of yiur games not just be going through the motions.
We live off adrenaline which only kicks in when we are challenged or under pressure. Current format is a haven for mediocrity and losers .
We need more jeopardy in our championship and find some way of making our all county leagues more competitive worth winning ." Lads ye are complaining about the preliminary QF's, which I agree are stupid. They aren't there very long, hardly to blame for the poor standard of hurling.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2580 - 30/05/2025 10:07:00
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Few are prepared to do what it takes to win.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2580 - 30/05/2025 10:08:09
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The club format is similar to kk i think and it doesnt do their club teams any harm winning. The record shows the wexford club champions at senior is awful. Rathnure should of never went down. Theres being plenty of close calls in the junior especially against kk teams where they have being unlucky
Linerick are the benchmark when was the last time they won the all ireland. Na piarsaigh i think. Dublin clubs can win all irelands but yet wexford dublin games are very tight.
Des had a really open and honest chat on the wexford podcast. The lads were fierce fired up for the kk match. I stated here already that simon donahoe was much better deployed in defense. He said they regret not bringing him back earlier but as he said himself the messing on the field caused the ball to go in. He was on about people dogging people on social media. Simon came into a bit but he has over 100 caps and has being some stalwart. He is a big farmer aswell. Criticise yes we all do that but dogging him is different. As des said for years hanlon was no good and now that he is gone he is a huge loss like the other 2 lads.
Lads will go when they go and wont make the team if there bet management know this aswell. Of anyone who goes if lee goes id be fearful. Really fearful.hopefully there rumors and just rumors. If he wanted to go travelling to see matt for a few months keith wouldn't mind.He would be some loss to the game. There probably will be retirements but division 2 is a blessing in disguise. Blood players come in under the rador and be better prepared for championship
Finally im not in favour of people coming out saying the championship needs to be extended. Yes its short but its the same for everyone. County players love the split season.plenty of teams dont quilify big counties tipp and galway last year. Leinster is as weak as its being for a long time and if cant finish in top 3 then whats the point playing cork and limerick.
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