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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Beating kk in nothing games will not get u any silverware"
I really shouldn't engage in this....but this year is the only nothing game.

Do you see anybody celebrating it?

It's a disaster of a year and we know that.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3669 - 26/05/2025 14:51:36    2612772

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Don't forget the famous win in 2017 also which kick started our decent record against them in the last 8/9 years"
We played 18 games in the round robin against Kilkenny Galway and Dublin. Our record is 5 wins, 5 draws and 8 losses.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 534 - 26/05/2025 16:15:58    2612803

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Replying To WEX98:  "We played 18 games in the round robin against Kilkenny Galway and Dublin. Our record is 5 wins, 5 draws and 8 losses."
As Billy Byrne said on SER our inability to get over Dublin has continued to haunt us

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 26/05/2025 16:48:22    2612817

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Lads in their 18th year were able to play in the adult grades when we had minor at U17. But then people complained that too many weren't ready for it yet and were dropping out instead, so we went back to U18.

And now if you want second year minors to play in the adult grades, you face holding up the entire minor championships until the adult ones are finished. You can't play minor matches midweek from about the middle of September onwards, for reasons I've outlined before. And you can't start them any earlier than the end of June, because of the inter-county championships up to May, and then the Leaving Cert after that.

There is one option, if the rules allowed (and I'm not sure they do) - just as you can't go back to Junior if your play Senior with your club, have it so that if an 18-year-old moves up to an adult grade, he can't go back to minor. Clubs would be able to decide where the relevant players are most needed and best suited. But I'm realistic enough to know there'd be all sorts of opposition to that idea too."
Much debated subject in recent years. To get around the Vetting issue it would have to be lads who are 18 playing adult, after their 18th birthday.
Minor games are midweek as it is, but usually Mondays. If lads were to play both Minor and Adult would have to be played Tues/Weds. There are huge logistical issues with this, availability of floodlit pitches and referees being the main ones. U12, u14 and u16 would have to be juggled around also. A real headache for those involved with fixtures.
An alternative would be to go back to u17, but there were other issues then as you say.
What I will say is this, the motion got much more support last year than the year before.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 26/05/2025 17:10:11    2612824

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "He's looked really really good this year but he really wants to win a county title which is more likely than winning another Leinster with the county team.

Maybe rushing off the pitch yesterday was a good sign. If yesterday was his last game I don't think he'd have done that."
He couldn't have rushed off the pitch Doyler, because immediately after the full time whistle hundreds of kids made a circle all around him looking for autographs.
He will retire when the time is right and only he knows when that is.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 26/05/2025 17:40:41    2612842

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Replying To WEX98:  "We played 18 games in the round robin against Kilkenny Galway and Dublin. Our record is 5 wins, 5 draws and 8 losses."
1 win, 2 draws and 3 losses against Dublin. Same against Galway. Only lost twice to Kilkenny, both by a point.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 26/05/2025 17:45:10    2612843

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Just as a quick point regarding our under-age results in recent years....

The main aim of development squads/Minor teams/U20 teams should be develop hurlers who can start for the Senior side and the secondary aim should be to win under-age/Minor/U20 tournaments/championships

Of course, the better you are at developing hurlers, the more likely you are to win championships so the two aims work in tandem

But if you had to pick one, better to get a good few hurlers from a side that isn't very good than to get not very many hurlers from a side that is very good. Galway have won countless AI Minor titles in the last 30 years but have only the 1 Senior title in that timeframe to show for it, Limerick on the other hand haven't won a Minor AI in recent memory yet have been dominant at Senior level in the last few years

Regarding our Minor team this year, would've thought that Seán O'Brien, Darragh Ryan, and Rhys Wickham were the most promising players going forward, Wickham is raw and needs to improve his hurling a lot but you can't teach his athleticism and mentality and his club traditionally have done a very good job at developing skilful hurlers

You're realistically looking for two hurlers from each age-group to end up starting Senior, that's the benchmark

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 26/05/2025 17:59:18    2612851

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Replying To WEX98:  "We played 18 games in the round robin against Kilkenny Galway and Dublin. Our record is 5 wins, 5 draws and 8 losses."
What is the record of Dublin and Galway from the same table?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3669 - 26/05/2025 18:14:44    2612857

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "What is the record of Dublin and Galway from the same table?"
Galways record Won 9, Drew 5, Lost 4
Kilkennys record Won 9, Drew 4, Lost 5
Dublins record Won 5, Drew 3, Lost 10
Galway have finished top 3 times, Kilkenny have finished top 3 times. The top team in the round robin has only gone on to win the final twice, Galway in 2018 and Kilkenny in 2024.
6 of Dublins 10 losses have been to Kilkenny, us once and Galway 3 times.
Galways losses have been Dublin twice, Us once and Kilkenny once.
Kilkennys losses have been us 3 times and Galway two times. You'd think Galway and Kilkenny would be fairly even in Leinster titles going by round robin record but it's not Kilkenny have won 3 out of the 5 round robin Leinster championship finals with 2 final losses, Galway 1 win and 2 final losses, Wexford 1 final win and Dublin 1 final loss. With the 6th round robin final in two weeks, which you'd expect Kilkenny to win (Obviously Kilkenny have two more Covid times Leinster titles and going for 6 in a row) In fact Galway have failed to get out twice and Kilkenny always got out 6 from 6. Just shows some losses just carry more weight than others. That was an awful rabbit hole to go down.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 332 - 26/05/2025 20:03:27    2612888

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Well lads another year over which is a shame please god they wil bring back the Walsh cup next year but it's going to be a long 7-8 months for our next game.. just hope we don't loose anyone to retirements… hopefully now we can get a few from the club championships who wil commit next year mainly 2 players I would love to see back in Wexford colours are Jack Cullen of gorey and Oisín foley 2 big men and good hurlers.. surely there has to be better hurlers in Wexford than mikie Dwyer?? On the championship itself my top 3 and most consistent performers have been chin hearne and Kevin foley… anyone know what happened to Liam Ryan and wil he play the club championship this year really can't see him giving it another year for Wexford… as regards rossiter does he stay or does he go??? Also anyone else who people would want to see next year in Wexford colours??

gannett83 (Wexford) - Posts: 322 - 26/05/2025 20:36:06    2612894

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "What is the record of Dublin and Galway from the same table?"
Because I'd a few minutes to spare and didn't think it would take very long, here's how all four of the ever-present teams have fared in the 18 round-robin matches against each other so far. Surprising that Galway are actually top of this table, considering how they've twice missed out on qualification, while Kilkenny have gone through every year:

Galway - won 9, drew 5, lost 4
Kilkenny - won 9, drew 3, lost 6
Wexford - won 5, drew 5, lost 8
Dublin - won 5, drew 3, lost 10

Taking it a step further, Wexford's & Dublin's records v just Kilkenny & Galway:
Wexford - won 4, drew 3, lost 5
Dublin - won 2, drew 1, lost 9

We obviously fare better than Dublin against Kilkenny & Galway. It's the fact that the Dubs themselves are somehow our bogey team that keeps coming back to haunt us.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2889 - 26/05/2025 20:39:45    2612895

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "Lads in their 18th year were able to play in the adult grades when we had minor at U17. But then people complained that too many weren't ready for it yet and were dropping out instead, so we went back to U18.

And now if you want second year minors to play in the adult grades, you face holding up the entire minor championships until the adult ones are finished. You can't play minor matches midweek from about the middle of September onwards, for reasons I've outlined before. And you can't start them any earlier than the end of June, because of the inter-county championships up to May, and then the Leaving Cert after that.

There is one option, if the rules allowed (and I'm not sure they do) - just as you can't go back to Junior if your play Senior with your club, have it so that if an 18-year-old moves up to an adult grade, he can't go back to minor. Clubs would be able to decide where the relevant players are most needed and best suited. But I'm realistic enough to know there'd be all sorts of opposition to that idea too."
Much debated subject in recent years. To get around the Vetting issue it would have to be lads who are 18 playing adult, after their 18th birthday.
Minor games are midweek as it is, but usually Mondays. If lads were to play both Minor and Adult would have to be played Tues/Weds. There are huge logistical issues with this, availability of floodlit pitches and referees being the main ones. U12, u14 and u16 would have to be juggled around also. A real headache for those involved with fixtures.
An alternative would be to go back to u17, but there were other issues then as you say.
What I will say is this, the motion got much more support last year than the year before."
My gut feeling is it got more support from people who simply don't understand or who refuse to believe what the consequences would be.

Anyway, you're correct that the whole issue of Garda vetting & child safeguarding would have to be considered too. I know many think it unnecessary for somebody who's maybe 17 years and 10 months old, but it's still the law. And remember it also means that somebody who's 17 years, 11 months and 27 days old shouldn't even be training with an adult squad unless the mentors have all been vetted and have done a safeguarding course.

By the way, point of order - minor matches are normally played on Wednesday evenings. Mondays are for U16s.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2889 - 26/05/2025 20:47:20    2612899

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "What is the record of Dublin and Galway from the same table?"
Galway wins 9, draws 5, losses 4
Dublin wins 5, draws 3, losses 10
Kilkenny wins 9, draws 3, losses 6

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 534 - 26/05/2025 20:48:07    2612902

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Replying To 222:  "Some record by wexford in fairness against kk

2025 win
2024 narrow loss
2023 win
2022 win
2021 covid - loss after extra time
2020 no game
2019 draw and win
2018 narrow loss"
Kilkenny record in this time you forgot to mention!
Won Leinster in 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, &25 going for 6 in a row Leinsters.

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 26/05/2025 23:24:58    2612908

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Don't forget the famous win in 2017 also which kick started our decent record against them in the last 8/9 years"
In the last 8 years KK won 5 Leinsters

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 26/05/2025 23:37:41    2612911

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Replying To Viking66:  "Both those narrow losses were only by a point, the latest with a controversial penalty decision against us.
We beat them in the only Leinster Final we played them in, and a Leinster semifinal. We were a little unlucky not to win the other semifinal in normal time also.
Apart from that we beat them in Nowlan Park in 2022 when Galway did them a huge favour by beating Dublin, otherwise they wouldn't have made the AI series. I'm sure they tried their hardest to beat us that day, I'm not sure Cody would've wanted to be relying on a flakey Galway side to save their season.
The narrative that we only beat them because they aren't trying is just bull####."
Yesterday was a very untried untested Kilkenny team. They gave game to players who needed it and players on the bottom side of their squad. It was a dead rubber,KK have their eyes on a 6 Leinster in a row. It's good to get fringe players game time. Yesterday there were nothing to play for- only thing on Table 2 years ago was Wexford could drop down if they didn't win, KK were looking ahead at a Leinster final.

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 26/05/2025 23:45:47    2612912

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Hi All,another year gone without landing a punch, didn't get the to the playoffs at Senior, Minors were poor no point sugar coated, Was backroom pressurised in using the Wexford way blue print? U20 were poor also,Sean Rowley huge loss and Cillian Byrne injured didn't help with either.Simon Roche from Oulart hadn't hit
Heights he capable of. Amazing that this was Dylan Purcell played for 3 years, great man marker but they tried him out, last year he played 11/14 at club. Paudie Soyle has certainly gone a bit but Club will get his focMojo back. Like Roark as a great prospect at 6.
Sorry drifted away-
Can anyone tell me about the Wexford way? What it is? Strangely the minors set up like U20s and Senior teams. It's Ludicrous, is this best we have? We never had a success if it's true. Who came up with brainwave?
Also where are the benefits on having a Director of Hurling? I don't see anything to date,Is it all a big secret to transfer the whole county to winning ways. He is there so needs to tell us what's he at?

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 27/05/2025 00:55:48    2612918

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Lads in their 18th year were able to play in the adult grades when we had minor at U17. But then people complained that too many weren't ready for it yet and were dropping out instead, so we went back to U18.

And now if you want second year minors to play in the adult grades, you face holding up the entire minor championships until the adult ones are finished. You can't play minor matches midweek from about the middle of September onwards, for reasons I've outlined before. And you can't start them any earlier than the end of June, because of the inter-county championships up to May, and then the Leaving Cert after that.

There is one option, if the rules allowed (and I'm not sure they do) - just as you can't go back to Junior if your play Senior with your club, have it so that if an 18-year-old moves up to an adult grade, he can't go back to minor. Clubs would be able to decide where the relevant players are most needed and best suited. But I'm realistic enough to know there'd be all sorts of opposition to that idea too."
Much debated subject in recent years. To get around the Vetting issue it would have to be lads who are 18 playing adult, after their 18th birthday.
Minor games are midweek as it is, but usually Mondays. If lads were to play both Minor and Adult would have to be played Tues/Weds. There are huge logistical issues with this, availability of floodlit pitches and referees being the main ones. U12, u14 and u16 would have to be juggled around also. A real headache for those involved with fixtures.
An alternative would be to go back to u17, but there were other issues then as you say.
What I will say is this, the motion got much more support last year than the year before."
My gut feeling is it got more support from people who simply don't understand or who refuse to believe what the consequences would be.

Anyway, you're correct that the whole issue of Garda vetting & child safeguarding would have to be considered too. I know many think it unnecessary for somebody who's maybe 17 years and 10 months old, but it's still the law. And remember it also means that somebody who's 17 years, 11 months and 27 days old shouldn't even be training with an adult squad unless the mentors have all been vetted and have done a safeguarding course.

By the way, point of order - minor matches are normally played on Wednesday evenings. Mondays are for U16s."]On the point of order ok I've not got there yet! So scheduling isn't really an issue?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 27/05/2025 06:39:40    2612925

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Well done Conor Foley, Mark Fanning and Lee Chin for been selected on the team of the week.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 27/05/2025 06:47:46    2612926

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Replying To WEX98:  "Galway wins 9, draws 5, losses 4
Dublin wins 5, draws 3, losses 10
Kilkenny wins 9, draws 3, losses 6"
Ok.... Surprised to see Galway top. They've failed to qualify as often as we have now.

No major surprises in that table. We're fairly consistently the third best in Leinster.

Our bad final appearance record is because we keep losing close games to Dublin.

Albeit they were probably value for the win this year.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3669 - 27/05/2025 08:10:32    2612934

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