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Replying To StoreysTash: "There is no doubt there are problems all over the place in Wexford and no quick solutions.
The product that is our club championship is pants. I could go home for 10-12 weeks and play every meaningful match. The league is practice matches, and bad ones at that.
No team being out after the group stages has to end. There is no cut in our games, every game needs to have something riding on it.
If you finish bottom, you are in to relegation final. 5th are out. 1st play 2nd with loser playing winner of 3rd v 4th. Winners then semi finals. Motivate teams to finish in top 2. Club hurling needs to have more cut and thrust to it rather than "lets let everyone go through". Its as stupid as the theory that 4 out of 5 teams come out of the Munster Hurling Championship.
Big town clubs spend too much time trying to poach lads from rural clubs, and my father was telling me about 1 former inter county player who is very prominent in this recruitment because his own club are failing to create their own. These clubs need to look in the mirror and answer why are they not producing enough good players.
Tipperary development squads get together twice a week and sometimes 3 times in the summer months. Our Cúl Camps are a creche.
We are too quick to dismiss bad results in Wexford as "we didn't need to win it", or "its a good Laois team". Why is it not a good Wexford team is the question to be asked? Why do teams in Wexford drop our head or do something stupid when a goal goes in? Why is our game management so poor?
If Laois bring through their minor team and Offaly continue to flourish, and we lose ground to these then I fear in 4-5 years we could have major problems when Chin, Simon D, Fanning, Jippo and so on are gone. We desperately need a good minor or u20 team to give us hope and it does not seem to be coming." Excellent post agree with everything you said there. Club championship structure is awful at the moment. How does it make sense a team can lose 5 group games and still win the county final? Agree with you we should be asking why is our under 20 team so poor and not worrying about Laois. Its particularly evident with the seniors if we concede a goal heads drop completely as if they think here we go again . That attitude has to stop if we are to win important games. We desperately need our seniors to stand up and be counted on Saturday and hopefully our minors can string together a couple of good performances that can give us hope for the future. Im worried 2023 was a big wake up call coming so close to relegation. We should have reviewed everything then and it looks like our minor and 20s team have regressed further since then.
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Lets be honest here, if one of the Munster counties had an opening for an underage development coach, or even a strong senior club were looking for a manager, do you really think a Wexford fella would be next or near it? We are at the lower rungs of the ladder in terms of progressive coaching, and player development (I always say that if Gearoid Hegarty grew up in Wexford, he wouldn't be nearly the rounded hurler he is). The gap is a bit shorter between us and the elite in football as coaches seem more attuned to the current tactical trends, tend to spread their coaching wings into other counties and there seems to be more of a hivemind in that sport that encourages the copying of training drills etc.
We are excellent at the social media side of things, and the addition of Clubber as a coverage provider could be a game changer, but as for the ACTUAL sporting side of things, we need to catch up unfortunately. And that's not a slight to our hard-working volunteers, and I feckin' love my county, but I liken it to the Glazer-era of United, a lot of work to do in order to be consistently competitive.
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Out of curiosity how many other clubs in wexford have taken the route at underage and made it all about fun and inclusion etc?
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I saw no matches at the weekend so am using scoreboard analysis and what I heard in the club last night.
I know you are bored of me talking about schools but to me, this is where Wexford is failing most. Leaving aside combined colleges, Wexford schools are "competing" in senior A the same way Antrim are "competing" in the Leinster Championship. Every one of them are miles off. You can point to individual results all you want. They are not competitive. The culture in schools is not focused on hurling, there is no hurling done at lunch time or PE in hardly any school, schools teams rely on the support of teachers which is wavering. I believe we need to get top coaches in to our schools, akin to the schools rugby system, to drive hurling from 1st year PE to Senior Schools hurling.
People moan about development squads as if they are the big bad wolf taking their club player but why any club would not want their top players getting even better coaching is just crazy. One of my young lads friend was involved in a development squad and the difference in ability after a few months was mad. Albeit he practiced every evening as well.
My young lad listened to Wexford hurling podcast and said they were extremely confident of a win in Galway. I don't listen to it but I wonder where they get their confidence from. I saw more signs to worry about against us than I did reasons to be confident but I have not listened." Richie Kehoe was very good, positive in a realistic way about the game in Salthill, and offered some good thoughts on our underage development squads.
Over the last 3 years coaching contacts have nearly doubled for our u14s u15s u16s in fairness, which might address some of his concerns. And they were all very competitive last year.
Hard to say why the minors look lacking in confidence. Last year at u16 we pushed Waterford all the way in the u16A Cup final, until we had a lad sent off. Might of won it with 15 on the field. They are in the Munster minor final now.
Hope Ivers is fit to start at the weekend, and has been training well this week, he was excellent in the fullback line last year.
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Replying To WEXILE: "The only thing is ending is that team that Liam Dunne ushered in back in 2013 or 14. God its so depressing reading all these comments I thought we were doing great work underage or as Daragh Egan said himself other counties are copying a lot of Wexfords plans and documents.
Personally I don't think we are making any progress underage, we seem to be where we always were given or take the odd decent period. Keith Rossifers 2 u20 teams were at least competitive and very close to winning in Leinster, we also got a few players off them onto the senior panel.
Everything feels so negative at the moment I'm questioning why bother go to Salthill at all. We desperately need something to go right for us.
If we drop any further then we are in the McDonagh scrap, that's reality. Ya can only expect Offally to improve year kn year now....I can't say the same.for us. So tough to keep positive right now" Why will Offaly improve year on year? Since 2022 our minors have hammered theirs, double digit beatings. Our current minors beat them by nearly 40 points at u16 last year.
Bottom line is we have to keep improving just to keep up with the other top counties, who are all improving also. What we need to do is find ways of improving more than the others are.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 15:06:55
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Replying To Past hurler: "Faythe Harriers constantly seem to have lads on the Minor, un20 and senior panels.
Shelmaliers are the same as the Harriers.
If you take the O'Connor dynasty out of the equation, the Martins don't produce many county men and Oulart have fallen off a cliff since 2015/16 in that regard.
Can't remember who was the Alleys last senior county hurler.
You can have all the huge numbers you want but it comes down to coaching within the club and kids wanting the desire to improve themselves away from club training so they have the necessary tools and skills to play for their county. It takes a ferocious effort.
Some teenagers are happy enough to just play club even though they might be good enough for the county.
The bar isn't high in Wexford hurling since the 60s really, there is no expectation on any minor, 20s or senior team to win the all Ireland compared to other counties.
Winning provincial titles or at least competing in provincial final regularly would be the main aim the county should be striving for.
If Lee Chin was to retire this winter would Wexford survive in the Liam McCarthy in 2026?" Oulart have 3 or 4 on this year's minor panel. And our best u20 this year is from there too. Had a couple on the u19s too.
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Replying To Past hurler: "Faythe Harriers constantly seem to have lads on the Minor, un20 and senior panels.
Shelmaliers are the same as the Harriers.
If you take the O'Connor dynasty out of the equation, the Martins don't produce many county men and Oulart have fallen off a cliff since 2015/16 in that regard.
Can't remember who was the Alleys last senior county hurler.
You can have all the huge numbers you want but it comes down to coaching within the club and kids wanting the desire to improve themselves away from club training so they have the necessary tools and skills to play for their county. It takes a ferocious effort.
Some teenagers are happy enough to just play club even though they might be good enough for the county.
The bar isn't high in Wexford hurling since the 60s really, there is no expectation on any minor, 20s or senior team to win the all Ireland compared to other counties.
Winning provincial titles or at least competing in provincial final regularly would be the main aim the county should be striving for.
If Lee Chin was to retire this winter would Wexford survive in the Liam McCarthy in 2026?" Agree that we should aim to be competitive in Leinster every year firstly.
If Lee retired we would survive in Leinster ok. Other lads would have to step up, as other players will be seeing alot more ball.
We would probably need to look at another keeper, one who was more comfortable and accurate with short puckouts.
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Replying To Past hurler: "Davy knew Wexford's limitations as a hurling county, so he played with 1 or sometimes not 2 sweepers as he knew Wexford needed a system to compete.
He also had a lot them leaders in their prime, Keith has lost them lads now to retirement and I think is facing into 3 very very tough games for Wexford.
Win all 3 and it could be a Leinster final, if we lose all 3 then it's a Joe McDonagh relegation fight." Name one game where Davy played 2 sweepers when managing us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 15:32:15
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Replying To Past hurler: "Davy knew Wexford's limitations as a hurling county, so he played with 1 or sometimes not 2 sweepers as he knew Wexford needed a system to compete.
He also had a lot them leaders in their prime, Keith has lost them lads now to retirement and I think is facing into 3 very very tough games for Wexford.
Win all 3 and it could be a Leinster final, if we lose all 3 then it's a Joe McDonagh relegation fight." Name one game where Davy played 2 sweepers when managing us.
And name one county who plays without a system.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 15:33:01
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Excellent post agree with everything you said there. Club championship structure is awful at the moment. How does it make sense a team can lose 5 group games and still win the county final? Agree with you we should be asking why is our under 20 team so poor and not worrying about Laois. Its particularly evident with the seniors if we concede a goal heads drop completely as if they think here we go again . That attitude has to stop if we are to win important games. We desperately need our seniors to stand up and be counted on Saturday and hopefully our minors can string together a couple of good performances that can give us hope for the future. Im worried 2023 was a big wake up call coming so close to relegation. We should have reviewed everything then and it looks like our minor and 20s team have regressed further since then." Why are our minors so poor when they did so well at u16? Or are our minors so poor? They lost to Kilkenny and Galway, but beat Dublin by 9 points. Maybe best wait to see how they get on the weekend against a strong Laois team whose tails are up after hammering Offaly.
Maybe 2 changes to make for the sake of our u20s would be let lads play club adult after their 18th birthday. Get used to playing higher level hurling against bigger players. That overcomes the Vetting and Safeguarding concerns. And get our u20s together 3 times a week like every other county does. That would surely improve teamwork, team play, set up on puckouts, winning breaking ball as a team, and generally knowing your teammates games better.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 15:44:36
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Replying To beano: "Lets be honest here, if one of the Munster counties had an opening for an underage development coach, or even a strong senior club were looking for a manager, do you really think a Wexford fella would be next or near it? We are at the lower rungs of the ladder in terms of progressive coaching, and player development (I always say that if Gearoid Hegarty grew up in Wexford, he wouldn't be nearly the rounded hurler he is). The gap is a bit shorter between us and the elite in football as coaches seem more attuned to the current tactical trends, tend to spread their coaching wings into other counties and there seems to be more of a hivemind in that sport that encourages the copying of training drills etc.
We are excellent at the social media side of things, and the addition of Clubber as a coverage provider could be a game changer, but as for the ACTUAL sporting side of things, we need to catch up unfortunately. And that's not a slight to our hard-working volunteers, and I feckin' love my county, but I liken it to the Glazer-era of United, a lot of work to do in order to be consistently competitive." Carley did very well with Bray, and Doyle is very well thought of in Tullogher-Rosbercon in Kilkenny. 2 Glynn-Barntown men.
A Taghmon-Camross man and a Bunclody man coached Dicksboro to the first club camogie AI won by a Kilkenny club in 17 years in 2023.
Maybe we as a county need to look at why more top coaches aren't applying for county underage jobs. It's expensive and time consuming, and lads get frowned on for claiming expenses for example.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 15:51:37
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "Out of curiosity how many other clubs in wexford have taken the route at underage and made it all about fun and inclusion etc?" There has to be a balance. I think many of our clubs take that whole side of the GAA promotion speak more literally than clubs in other counties do.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 15:53:13
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Replying To Viking66: "Why are our minors so poor when they did so well at u16? Or are our minors so poor? They lost to Kilkenny and Galway, but beat Dublin by 9 points. Maybe best wait to see how they get on the weekend against a strong Laois team whose tails are up after hammering Offaly.
Maybe 2 changes to make for the sake of our u20s would be let lads play club adult after their 18th birthday. Get used to playing higher level hurling against bigger players. That overcomes the Vetting and Safeguarding concerns. And get our u20s together 3 times a week like every other county does. That would surely improve teamwork, team play, set up on puckouts, winning breaking ball as a team, and generally knowing your teammates games better." I agree with you that we should go back to letting 18 year olds play adult in Wexford. Also the 20s should be training together 3 times a week. I hope our minors prove to us that they are a good team starting on Saturday which will be a tough game.
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On schools results Peters won the Leinster 1st year B final well today. They beat GCC comfortably in the County 1st year final too this year. GCC are in the Leinster 1st year A final next week against Kierans. Peters Seniors beat Kilkenny CBS well in the Senior A League semifinal last week, 6-21 to 2-19, they are playing Kierans in the A final tomorrow.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15663 - 07/05/2025 16:06:15
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Replying To StoreysTash: "There is no doubt there are problems all over the place in Wexford and no quick solutions.
The product that is our club championship is pants. I could go home for 10-12 weeks and play every meaningful match. The league is practice matches, and bad ones at that.
No team being out after the group stages has to end. There is no cut in our games, every game needs to have something riding on it.
If you finish bottom, you are in to relegation final. 5th are out. 1st play 2nd with loser playing winner of 3rd v 4th. Winners then semi finals. Motivate teams to finish in top 2. Club hurling needs to have more cut and thrust to it rather than "lets let everyone go through". Its as stupid as the theory that 4 out of 5 teams come out of the Munster Hurling Championship.
Big town clubs spend too much time trying to poach lads from rural clubs, and my father was telling me about 1 former inter county player who is very prominent in this recruitment because his own club are failing to create their own. These clubs need to look in the mirror and answer why are they not producing enough good players.
Tipperary development squads get together twice a week and sometimes 3 times in the summer months. Our Cúl Camps are a creche.
We are too quick to dismiss bad results in Wexford as "we didn't need to win it", or "its a good Laois team". Why is it not a good Wexford team is the question to be asked? Why do teams in Wexford drop our head or do something stupid when a goal goes in? Why is our game management so poor?
If Laois bring through their minor team and Offaly continue to flourish, and we lose ground to these then I fear in 4-5 years we could have major problems when Chin, Simon D, Fanning, Jippo and so on are gone. We desperately need a good minor or u20 team to give us hope and it does not seem to be coming." Firstly if two of the lads you mentioned walk away we'll instantly improve.
What town clubs? Harriers take enormous pride in producing good technical hurlers. We currently have 4 in the extended county panel including our most important player.
The minors need to be playing adult for me. That's definitely not helping.
I do share some of your other views though.
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Replying To Viking66: "Why will Offaly improve year on year? Since 2022 our minors have hammered theirs, double digit beatings. Our current minors beat them by nearly 40 points at u16 last year.
Bottom line is we have to keep improving just to keep up with the other top counties, who are all improving also. What we need to do is find ways of improving more than the others are." Because they are retaining a lot of those lads from their recent u20 success, a fair few of em in around the panel now.
As posters are at pains to stress that it takes a few years development to become intercounty players, well those lads will improve.
It's hard to compare Offalys and Wexfords trajectory and say we are on par with em. Only the blindest of optimists can say that
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Firstly if two of the lads you mentioned walk away we'll instantly improve.
What town clubs? Harriers take enormous pride in producing good technical hurlers. We currently have 4 in the extended county panel including our most important player.
The minors need to be playing adult for me. That's definitely not helping.
I do share some of your other views though." I could be wrong but I think he might be referring to a different town!!
Just on the last point about minors playing adult. There is a real element of truth to that, I know it's nit an easy fix but it's an issue that will get worse if summer soccer does become a thing. Particularly for town clubs
I was talking to a fella I know training a club minor team and it would be a rural team. He was giving out because he hadnt seen certain players all year cos of minor squads and players not being released even if not making matchday panels but he was also saying how soccer is taking away chaps even at minor level. Chaps 16/17/18 all playing adult soc er and that taking priority.
Now as he said its not too bad as he expects to have them all in a few weeks but if summer soccer comes in he feared the biggest impact will be with younger players. As he said himself when you were that age yourself you were mad to play adult, striving to play adult, young fellas now are the same and at the moment only soccer is giving them that avenue.
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Replying To WEXILE: "Because they are retaining a lot of those lads from their recent u20 success, a fair few of em in around the panel now.
As posters are at pains to stress that it takes a few years development to become intercounty players, well those lads will improve.
It's hard to compare Offalys and Wexfords trajectory and say we are on par with em. Only the blindest of optimists can say that" We obviously haven't won an underage all Ireland like they have.
However, the beat us by a score in a Leinster final before they won it and down through the grades we've held our own for the most part.
I am concerned about where our marquee players are going to come from now, but we know as well as anyone that good underage teams are no guarantee of senior success. Especially since they changed minor and 21
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Replying To Viking66: "Very little end product with Carley in the Senior, Fitzgibbon and Barntown games I've seen over the last couple of years. He needs to get more involved in games he plays in. Playing a sweeper so many times has really blunted his mental sharpness. He doesn't seem to know when to go in and get a ball in his hand or not, he seems to wait in space for a pass, so when the opposition have the ball he's too far off any man to pressure him, and the odd time he gets the ball he seems to look backwards rather than forwards, then gives the "safe" pass, which is usually to a lad who wouldn't ve as good at striking as he is.
He needs to believe in himself more, be braver with and without the ball, and lads who are managing teams he is on need to give him a more defined role to play, like tell him when the opposition have the ball, this fella is your primary man, process quicker with the ball in hand and pick out a man in a better position than you, not a worse position.
He seems a good hurler skills wise, and has a good engine. Is athletic. I watched him for DCU Freshers in the League final and I don't remember many times seeing a player at any level run so many miles while getting on so little ball, making so few tackles, hooks, blocks, and generally affecting play so little. He was the same when I saw him with his club. He seemed to do better when playing a more orthodox wing forward or wing back role, and he can get you a point or 2 from there too." That's disappointing to read. Thought with his engine he was a cert for playing midfield at senior level. Still time obviously, took quite a while for Conor Hearne to come into his own at senior level. But we have a few around the panel for a while now where it's either step up or step away time. We need them to step up!
Huge opportunity for us next weekend. The last time we played in Salthill that performance was frankly embarrassing. We should be stronger now. 50/50 game. Who else can step up to help Chin? Rory was decent enough the last day but needs to improve again like he did v Galway the last day. Frustrates me watching a player of his ability doing just enough. With Kevin Foley in good form and likes of Byrne and Dunbar finishing well (granted not doing a whole pile else) I think we can put up a decent score anyway.
Liam Ryan came in v Galway last year and added much needed presence. He had Cooney on the floor in the first minute. Huge ask for him to do it again. Shane Reck to man mark Mannion and see how the rest go I guess.
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Replying To WEXILE: "Because they are retaining a lot of those lads from their recent u20 success, a fair few of em in around the panel now.
As posters are at pains to stress that it takes a few years development to become intercounty players, well those lads will improve.
It's hard to compare Offalys and Wexfords trajectory and say we are on par with em. Only the blindest of optimists can say that" If those lads are improving so much why aren't they winning u20 this year? They are still u20. The reason is they've nothing coming after them. I'll be very surprised if even a little less than half those lads make top intercounty Senior players. And that's no slight on them, that's the way it is. How many off Kilkennys AI winning u20 team are starting Senior 2 years on? None.
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