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Replying To WEX98:  "This is an old survey now so maybe players are selected better, but at the time only 5% of clare players that played Tony Forristal went on to play intercounty.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/the-only-guarantee-around-player-development-is-that-there-are-no-guarantees-FBU43CBAIFAUTNBTVNZDY6G2UQ/"
You are reading that wrong.
Less than 5% per year became established Inter County Senior hurlers. 10% played some Inter County hurling. That figure can never be higher no matter what system you have in place. Adding 1/2 players per year into your adult setup is the max that can be added unless you want a brand new team every 4/5 years..

Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 197 - 06/05/2025 15:33:50    2607140

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Looking at Laois' results they have had 4 extremely comfortable wins so our minors have a big task ahead in Portlaoise Saturday"
They do. But you can be sure there are posters on here that are saying ah sure it's only Laois.
As regards tradition for around 3/4s of the years that the GAA is in existence Laois had exactly the same number of AIs won as Clare. They have a deep hurling tradition. They also have more players playing hurling only than we do. All things for the entitled among us to consider.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 15:35:24    2607141

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's a good post.

Just on the Fitzgibbon, SETU not entering it this year was a cause of our reduced numbers overall, along with DIT and Trinity. They are 3 third level Institutions where alot of Wexford people attend."
TUD ( formerly DIT) had 5 or 6 hurlers from Wexford on their starting team including Richie Lawlor and Tucker Kinsella. Watched the final on YouTube. They were beaten by Garda college in the final of the Ryan Cup which is the level below Fitzgibbon. Think they had another few from Wexford amongst the subs

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 06/05/2025 15:38:18    2607143

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "What Id like to see Saturday:

Fanning
Ryan
Jippo
Shane Reck
Foley
D Reck
Molloy
Hearne
Donohue
Jack
Chin
Foley
Rory
MacDonald
Byrne"
Id go with this team too but cant see management picking Mac to start having not featured all year

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 571 - 06/05/2025 15:38:41    2607145

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Agree with your last few paragraphs there Afinestick and I'd say you can even throw 2024 after Corrigan Park into that I'd be pretty certain the narratives on the 2024 forum around this time last year weren't any more positive than they have been here the last 10 days, it's becoming a worrying annual trend that it comes to this.

Winning on Saturday isn't beyond the realms of possibility and I don't think on paper there's a whole lot between ourselves and them as the league game showed and I think that 11/15 which started the league game in February started against Offaly in the last round. Even a draw would at least put us back in the hunt to some degree.

You're right regarding Chin -The senior players on the panel who've been there the last 10 years or so badly need to step up on Saturday and be counted for either starting or from the bench - Jippo, two Recks, Donohue, Foley, MacDonald and the two OConnors.

Going up here and trying to land 20/25 puck outs down on top of him won't work with the likes of Grealish, Fintan Burke and P Mannion."
Shane's only on the panel the 6 years. Never hurled Minor for Wexford. Damien wasn't 18 10 years ago. Neither was Rory. Both will only be 27 at the end of the year.
Grealish will mark Rory I'd be guessing.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 15:40:28    2607146

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Replying To Viking66:  "They do. But you can be sure there are posters on here that are saying ah sure it's only Laois.
As regards tradition for around 3/4s of the years that the GAA is in existence Laois had exactly the same number of AIs won as Clare. They have a deep hurling tradition. They also have more players playing hurling only than we do. All things for the entitled among us to consider......."
"They also have more players playing hurling only than we do". Maybe there's our problem. God what have I just typed. Out of here now. Lol

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 06/05/2025 15:47:19    2607150

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  ""They also have more players playing hurling only than we do". Maybe there's our problem. God what have I just typed. Out of here now. Lol"
It's definitely part of the problem when you look at our overall success rate at the top level. I do enjoy watching a good game of Football myself though!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 16:05:35    2607157

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Replying To Viking66:  "Shane's only on the panel the 6 years. Never hurled Minor for Wexford. Damien wasn't 18 10 years ago. Neither was Rory. Both will only be 27 at the end of the year.
Grealish will mark Rory I'd be guessing."
Emphasis on 'or so' Viking, they're still amongst our most experienced players now at this stage.

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 249 - 06/05/2025 16:28:21    2607159

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  ""They also have more players playing hurling only than we do". Maybe there's our problem. God what have I just typed. Out of here now. Lol"
Maybe I'm wrong but I think if our underage structures are working we should be beating Laois 9 times out of 10. Maybe that's Me that's being entitled but I'm sick of excuses when it comes to Wexford hurling .

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 571 - 06/05/2025 16:29:11    2607160

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The less success we have at intercounty level the less interest is shown around the county .
Be that supporters or young children not taking up the sport .
We ve lost the love of the game and focus too much on the success it's expected to bring . When we don't win titles it puts the doom and gloom out there which names it less attractive.
Let's all try and enjoy the sport rather than the eternal quest for success .
Lord knows we are nt perennial
Winners that's what makes us who we are and why we get so delirious when we do succeed .
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My comment re dual dev players not accommodated by county was tounge in cheek .
Our u20 footballers reached 1/4 and gave good account of themselves
before bowing out and its a positive
our u20 hurlers lose 1/4 we are doom and gloom .
Are we not a dual county .
If the more talented dual players started picking football would there be a change to the attitude and rule of pick one . .
My point is if they can play both surely playing both at a high level would improve the other and yes eventually they will have to choose I understand that but until then le them play both where feasible.
Was there a comment above saying only 5 to 10 of tony forristal players get to play any senior intercounty that's 2.5 to 5% of a full dev squad. Maybe less .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 353 - 06/05/2025 16:46:11    2607166

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Maybe I'm wrong but I think if our underage structures are working we should be beating Laois 9 times out of 10. Maybe that's Me that's being entitled but I'm sick of excuses when it comes to Wexford hurling ."
If you take our last 10 U20 games against Laois, we probably won 8, drew 1, and lost 1 which would be close enough to beating them 9 times out of 10

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 473 - 06/05/2025 17:14:48    2607175

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Emphasis on 'or so' Viking, they're still amongst our most experienced players now at this stage."
They are. It shows what a young team we have built during a rebuild none of the mainstream media gives us credit for.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 17:28:59    2607178

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Maybe I'm wrong but I think if our underage structures are working we should be beating Laois 9 times out of 10. Maybe that's Me that's being entitled but I'm sick of excuses when it comes to Wexford hurling ."
Just out of interest, and without referencing victories from before I was born, or using meaningless words like tradition, well meaningless in the context of the result of 60 minutes of hurling between 30-40 lads who can't even buy a pint yet, why exactly do you think we SHOULD be beating Laois 9 times out of 10? Surely our young lads have to earn that right on the pitch.
And just FYI back in the real world we haven't beaten Laois 9 times out of 10 in knockout hurling, they have knocked us out of the Leinster minor Championship twice in the last 12 years, while I can't actually remember the last time we knocked them out off the top of my head.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 17:36:54    2607180

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Maybe I'm wrong but I think if our underage structures are working we should be beating Laois 9 times out of 10. Maybe that's Me that's being entitled but I'm sick of excuses when it comes to Wexford hurling ."
Actually I do remember we beat them in the QF in 2019.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 17:54:07    2607188

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "If you take our last 10 U20 games against Laois, we probably won 8, drew 1, and lost 1 which would be close enough to beating them 9 times out of 10"
In knockout hurling that would be going back over many many years. I think 1 of the Laois lads told me that was the 1st time theyd beaten us at u20 since 1990!
I don't think our recent record at minor is that good though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 17:56:41    2607189

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To be honest with the underage thing I'm not as concerned as many on here.

It's more important to bring the right type of player through rather than focusing on success and I think that's where the disconnect sometimes happens.

I also think we are starting to see more of a drop off from minor through to u20 and on, I'm not sure if we are getting that right.

And lastly as always it comes back to the clubs, how many clubs are producing nothing? South wexford is turns into a bit of a wasteland. Rathnure are hardly peppering teams across fhe grades with underage players, in fact it's fhe more football focussed north of thr county clubs producing the hurlers. Who's the last Alley player to make an impression. Traditional hurling clubs like Cloughbawn, even the Martjns aren't exactly dominating county teams. At minor even the likes of Taghmon don't even have a team football or hurling I believe. I seen at u16 hurling cluain bhanu mogues which I presume is clongeen, bannow and fethard joined up!

I wouldn't be an expert at you get furtger down the age grades but I believe it's even clubs like Ballyhougue making strides who are definitely seen as a football club, cushinstown etc etc.

We can complain about county board and ferns coe and coaches, development squads all we like but if the raw talent isn't coming from the clubs we are at nothing to begin with

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1495 - 06/05/2025 18:12:10    2607193

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Replying To Viking66:  "Just out of interest, and without referencing victories from before I was born, or using meaningless words like tradition, well meaningless in the context of the result of 60 minutes of hurling between 30-40 lads who can't even buy a pint yet, why exactly do you think we SHOULD be beating Laois 9 times out of 10? Surely our young lads have to earn that right on the pitch.
And just FYI back in the real world we haven't beaten Laois 9 times out of 10 in knockout hurling, they have knocked us out of the Leinster minor Championship twice in the last 12 years, while I can't actually remember the last time we knocked them out off the top of my head."
I want Wexford hurling to succeed as much as anyone Viking and I'm hoping for 2 good results in the minor and Senior Saturday I plan on making it to both games to support the lads. But as a county we have to acknowledge the last 2 years has seen us pick up dissapointing results in both under 20 and minor that is a fact. We should be identifying why that is and what can we do to improve hurling in Wexford .

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 571 - 06/05/2025 18:40:18    2607201

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Replying To Viking66:  "It's definitely part of the problem when you look at our overall success rate at the top level. I do enjoy watching a good game of Football myself though!"
I think we've had a few debates how I think the playing football underage effects how good we are at hurling are very minimal…. I've used Galway, Dublin Cork a few times in that they have lads who've won stuff and played at higher levels in the other sport and hasn't effected them…Daithi Burke, club and u21 all irelands in football, Cillian McDaid minor hurling all Ireland, Brian Hayes, u20 football all Ireland, Con hurling club all Ireland etc etc but I'll just use Clare as a more accurate comparison, the majority of their players are dual players. Conor Cleary and Cathal Malone even come from football only areas. But Tony Kelly played county minor football with Clare who'd more often than not are operating at a similar to higher level at football at underage, and it didn't seem to effect his hurling skill development. Shane Meehan was probably in the top 5 minor footballers in Ireland at his age. David Reidy, Shane O'Donnell also were good footballers and look at the levels they've gotten to in hurling ability. They've loads more. Especially when in a lot of the clubs in Wexford it's questionable how much a lot of the dual clubs care about one or the other…mostly hurling. Obviously a few that care and back both equally but that's not totally different to some hugely successful dual clubs around the country either. I know you'll disagree with that with I don't think it's holding us back as much as we make out. You'd imagine there'd be a smaller gap between the two levels the footballers and hurlers are at if that was the case. Not all of it but a sizeable proportion of the football done in the county is nearly a token gesture.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 317 - 06/05/2025 18:59:31    2607204

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If you left Croke Park after the Minor and Senior Leinster finals in 2019 and was told what the next 5.5 years would look like for Wexford hurling (Minor,20s,21s and senior) would you be happy?

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 249 - 06/05/2025 19:10:38    2607206

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Replying To tearintom:  "To be honest with the underage thing I'm not as concerned as many on here.

It's more important to bring the right type of player through rather than focusing on success and I think that's where the disconnect sometimes happens.

I also think we are starting to see more of a drop off from minor through to u20 and on, I'm not sure if we are getting that right.

And lastly as always it comes back to the clubs, how many clubs are producing nothing? South wexford is turns into a bit of a wasteland. Rathnure are hardly peppering teams across fhe grades with underage players, in fact it's fhe more football focussed north of thr county clubs producing the hurlers. Who's the last Alley player to make an impression. Traditional hurling clubs like Cloughbawn, even the Martjns aren't exactly dominating county teams. At minor even the likes of Taghmon don't even have a team football or hurling I believe. I seen at u16 hurling cluain bhanu mogues which I presume is clongeen, bannow and fethard joined up!

I wouldn't be an expert at you get furtger down the age grades but I believe it's even clubs like Ballyhougue making strides who are definitely seen as a football club, cushinstown etc etc.

We can complain about county board and ferns coe and coaches, development squads all we like but if the raw talent isn't coming from the clubs we are at nothing to begin with"
Ballyhogue are making great strides at underage, hurling and football.
Cushinstown have 3 on the current minor team.
Taghmon don't have a minor team again, but it's not the first time in the last few years. Attempts were made to amalgamate, buy nothing came of them.
Demographically speaking since the Celtic Tiger Years the population growth that the county has seen has mostly occurred in the North, so it's not surprising to see those clubs producing so many players.
South Wexford has seen depopulation unfortunately, though of our current panels, 10 of the 24 minor panel against Dublin came from South of Enniscorthy not including Enniscorthy, 17 of the 26 Senior panel against Dublin came from South of Enniscorthy not including Enniscorthy, 11 of the 24 man u20 panel likewise.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 06/05/2025 20:53:55    2607221

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