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Replying To Magpie2: "The conclusion I have come to about our senior team is we seem to have an inferiority complex most of the time. I think we really don't believe we can win against top tier teams. The evidence is there to support that. Okay we raise our game when we play Kilkenny at times and sometimes we'll give Galway a rattle but that's about it.
This is not easy for me to say but I honestly don't believe we are clever or smart enough. We have good hurlers, of that there is no doubt but as a team we rarely get it all together. We tend to fade in and out of games. Our defensive structure is very weak and the opposition know that. They can usually open us up and make us look vulnerable.
Our forwards with the exception of Chin have a habit of making the wrong choices. Shooting from huge distances and accumulating wides. 17 or 20 wides is not uncommon.
The only real find over the last few years is Hearne.
Richie can be good too but at the moment he's not the finished article. The rest of the panel are either too young or quite simply not good enough at senior level. Maybe in time things will improve. I sincerely hope so. Perhaps we will come out all guns blazing in our next 3 games and prove us all wrong. That would be brilliant and nothing would give me more pleasure. I found it hard to write all of the above but I really think it had to be said." Everybody knows we aren't the finished article. But we are already better than some give us credit for. We have plenty of lads who might, like Hearne did, improve to be very good Senior intercounty players in a couple of years when they are more physically developed.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Why and how did you choose those years? 15-20 years has no relevance to the current team. There's a player on the panel that wasn't born on 05.
If you're going to a period where none of the current players were involved it's a waste of time.
During the round robin era we've only not qualified from Leinster on 1 occasion in 23, a season where we lost to Dublin by a score and beat Kilkenny on the last day.
In round robin fixtures Kilkenny have only beaten us once.
In 22 and 24 we were a score away from a Leinster final.
There's nothing certain of course, but it's not beyond our reach to get a result in Galway, although we'll need a massive performance.
Offaly I am very wary of. They'll treat Wexford park as their all Ireland final so we can't be messing, but we can win that.
Kilkenny in the park on the last day, there's a good chance they'll already be in a Leinster final.
If Dublin turn up like they did against us I'd give them a great chance but never underestimate how hard it is to get a result in the group in Nowlan park. If fact we're the only team to do it, and unlucky not to do it twice." "In round robin fixtures Kilkenny have only beaten us once."
Kilkenny have beaten Wexford twice in round robin fixtures. 2018 and 2024.
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Replying To WEX98: "Check this out.
Input your predictions for the remaining games to see the final table.
https://knowthegame.ie/app/hurling/permutations/leinster
https://knowthegame.ie/app/hurling/permutations/munster" Just did Leinster there and we make the Leinster Final by just getting into 2nd place by a 1 point score difference. We end up plus 17, Dublin plus 16. Kilkenny end up on 8 points also, but have a score difference of plus 44.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15540 - 30/04/2025 10:35:49
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Replying To zinny: "No, I never said anything about what we have to win by but rather pointing out the fact that anything lot of people seem to think it's someone else fault we don't win games when in fact we have just not been good enough to win them. Blaming referees, etc are just excuses for poor play and management. I hope what happens with management is that for every free or lost ball they look at why it came about rather than say ah that that was a soft free. Another example is if Lee Chin got injured in a game and then we lost, it would be all about hard luck rather than the underlying problem of the reliance on one player and our inability of a county to produce top class players. No other top team or even second tier team has that same reliance on one player but if he got injured a lot of people here would be on about if only and we cannot catch a break." As regards Chin we may as well not have had him in Nowlan Park last year, he only scored 1 from play and didnt pressure their backs coming out with the ball like he has this season, and we deserved to win that game.
And he was equally poor against Clare and we were level with them when we had the same number of players on the pitch. I personally still think he never got over the knock in the Carlow game, although apparently he told everyone he was grand.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15540 - 30/04/2025 10:40:39
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""In round robin fixtures Kilkenny have only beaten us once."
Kilkenny have beaten Wexford twice in round robin fixtures. 2018 and 2024." Yep. We shouldve won both but left them behind us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15540 - 30/04/2025 10:42:12
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Replying To Viking66: "Just did Leinster there and we make the Leinster Final by just getting into 2nd place by a 1 point score difference. We end up plus 17, Dublin plus 16. Kilkenny end up on 8 points also, but have a score difference of plus 44." Keep practicing. You'll get the hang of it after a while.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Keep practicing. You'll get the hang of it after a while." Only needed to do it once ;-)
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It's funny because some think we're a mile off but it's not as if we've really been getting horsed in Championship games, only four bad beatings in the last few years were Galway and Clare in 2020, Galway in 2023, and Clare last year.
We just seem to keep on losing tight games and are very fragile mentally (Unless we're playing KK), if only we'd been a little bit stronger mentally and we would've won a good few more games and might have been in a few Leinster Finals (And won some of them). And given how weak we are mentally, you'd imagine any sort of good run would've been a big boost to our confidence, we're a mile off and yet we're not really that far away at all, what goes on inside the players' heads is our biggest issue right now
Don't want to be harking back to 1996 all the time but I don't think that team was really that much better technically, physically, or tactically than the teams that had gone before them but they were much stronger mentally
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Replying To Viking66: "So you are saying that, if you lose a close game by a point on account of an officiating error that cost you 3 points, you weren't good enough to win the game?
I'm not saying that about last Saturdays game, we don't really know how that mightve panned out in the end if that penalty hadn't been given as a score. But it definitely wouldn't have resulted in a restart from a puckout, it would've been a sideline to them. So their next goal from the next puckout might not have happened either. So it definitely affected the course of the game as it changed the restart, never mind the 3 points on the board that shouldn't have been on the board, and the resultant lift it gave Dublin." Bad wides from play and frees don't help the cause either Viking, you can't blame that on officials
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Replying To Bon: "Bad wides from play and frees don't help the cause either Viking, you can't blame that on officials" I'm not blaming those on officials Bon. But we would've won the game in Nowlan Park last year despite those if the officials had got the big calls right. And we might have won Saturday also.
Those 2 calls aren't a matter of interpretation. The ball either crosses the line or it doesn't. And a foul is either in the area or it isn't. Both calls weren't marginal, the ball wasn't even slightly over the line never mind wholly over it. And the foul for the penalty wasn't inches outside the area, it was nearer yards.
We had an u13 7 aside tournament at the club, and we lost the semifinal by a point. We scored a goal, but the ball only went around 4 inches over the line, the referee wasn't sure that it had fully crossed the line, so he didn't give the goal, and we lost. Noone had too many complaints, as everyone felt that it would be unreasonable of a referee to give a goal when he wasn't 100% sure the sliotar had crossed the line.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Why and how did you choose those years? 15-20 years has no relevance to the current team. There's a player on the panel that wasn't born on 05.
If you're going to a period where none of the current players were involved it's a waste of time.
During the round robin era we've only not qualified from Leinster on 1 occasion in 23, a season where we lost to Dublin by a score and beat Kilkenny on the last day.
In round robin fixtures Kilkenny have only beaten us once.
In 22 and 24 we were a score away from a Leinster final.
There's nothing certain of course, but it's not beyond our reach to get a result in Galway, although we'll need a massive performance.
Offaly I am very wary of. They'll treat Wexford park as their all Ireland final so we can't be messing, but we can win that.
Kilkenny in the park on the last day, there's a good chance they'll already be in a Leinster final." I think Galway is our All Ireland Final. I think Offaly will lose to Kilkenny and will be targeting the Antrim game then on the final weekend to stay up. If we can get a win in Galway we have a brilliant chance of finishing at least 3rd and will hopefully play an already qualified Kilkenny for a place in the Leinster final. A lot of hurling to be played but Galway is going to define our season
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "It's funny because some think we're a mile off but it's not as if we've really been getting horsed in Championship games, only four bad beatings in the last few years were Galway and Clare in 2020, Galway in 2023, and Clare last year.
We just seem to keep on losing tight games and are very fragile mentally (Unless we're playing KK), if only we'd been a little bit stronger mentally and we would've won a good few more games and might have been in a few Leinster Finals (And won some of them). And given how weak we are mentally, you'd imagine any sort of good run would've been a big boost to our confidence, we're a mile off and yet we're not really that far away at all, what goes on inside the players' heads is our biggest issue right now
Don't want to be harking back to 1996 all the time but I don't think that team was really that much better technically, physically, or tactically than the teams that had gone before them but they were much stronger mentally" "only four bad beatings in the last few years were Galway and Clare in 2020, Galway in 2023, and Clare last year.'
Losing at home to Westmeath in 2023 was a bad beating, no matter what metric you use. Likewise, losing to Antrim last year.
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Replying To Magpie2: "The conclusion I have come to about our senior team is we seem to have an inferiority complex most of the time. I think we really don't believe we can win against top tier teams. The evidence is there to support that. Okay we raise our game when we play Kilkenny at times and sometimes we'll give Galway a rattle but that's about it.
This is not easy for me to say but I honestly don't believe we are clever or smart enough. We have good hurlers, of that there is no doubt but as a team we rarely get it all together. We tend to fade in and out of games. Our defensive structure is very weak and the opposition know that. They can usually open us up and make us look vulnerable.
Our forwards with the exception of Chin have a habit of making the wrong choices. Shooting from huge distances and accumulating wides. 17 or 20 wides is not uncommon.
The only real find over the last few years is Hearne.
Richie can be good too but at the moment he's not the finished article. The rest of the panel are either too young or quite simply not good enough at senior level. Maybe in time things will improve. I sincerely hope so. Perhaps we will come out all guns blazing in our next 3 games and prove us all wrong. That would be brilliant and nothing would give me more pleasure. I found it hard to write all of the above but I really think it had to be said." I agree with you we have good hurlers but seem to lack the confidence when its comes to a tight championship game. Do we not have a sports phycologist to help with this sort of thing?
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "It's funny because some think we're a mile off but it's not as if we've really been getting horsed in Championship games, only four bad beatings in the last few years were Galway and Clare in 2020, Galway in 2023, and Clare last year.
We just seem to keep on losing tight games and are very fragile mentally (Unless we're playing KK), if only we'd been a little bit stronger mentally and we would've won a good few more games and might have been in a few Leinster Finals (And won some of them). And given how weak we are mentally, you'd imagine any sort of good run would've been a big boost to our confidence, we're a mile off and yet we're not really that far away at all, what goes on inside the players' heads is our biggest issue right now
Don't want to be harking back to 1996 all the time but I don't think that team was really that much better technically, physically, or tactically than the teams that had gone before them but they were much stronger mentally" 90s team had the same weakness until Niamh Fitzpatrick came along.
88/89, 91/92/93
In the words of Liam Griffin, "We wrote all the I'd only stories"
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""only four bad beatings in the last few years were Galway and Clare in 2020, Galway in 2023, and Clare last year.'
Losing at home to Westmeath in 2023 was a bad beating, no matter what metric you use. Likewise, losing to Antrim last year." Yes we equalled your number of Championship defeats to Antrim last year. At least ours didn't cost us a place in an AI Final!
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I see Paudie Foley is home, see his name mentioned on twitter last night? Is he home for good or just the summer months again.
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I think Galway is our All Ireland Final. I think Offaly will lose to Kilkenny and will be targeting the Antrim game then on the final weekend to stay up. If we can get a win in Galway we have a brilliant chance of finishing at least 3rd and will hopefully play an already qualified Kilkenny for a place in the Leinster final. A lot of hurling to be played but Galway is going to define our season" Maybe Dublin will overcome their Kilkenny hoodoo this year? It took 39 steps for them to lose last year!
Although I don't fancy their chances in Nowlan Park.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15540 - 30/04/2025 12:39:34
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I think Galway is our All Ireland Final. I think Offaly will lose to Kilkenny and will be targeting the Antrim game then on the final weekend to stay up. If we can get a win in Galway we have a brilliant chance of finishing at least 3rd and will hopefully play an already qualified Kilkenny for a place in the Leinster final. A lot of hurling to be played but Galway is going to define our season" All our games from hereon in are our AI Finals
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15540 - 30/04/2025 12:40:17
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I agree with you we have good hurlers but seem to lack the confidence when its comes to a tight championship game. Do we not have a sports phycologist to help with this sort of thing?" We do now alright. It's something I'm banging on about for years. People just don't seem to get how fundamentally important that is.
When Andy Lee the boxer was at his peak he'd had a bad eye injury so he decided to give up sparring in preparation for flights. With the assistance of a sport psychologist he did visualization exercises instead to prepare for his world title fight which he won.
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No offence intended but that team of the 90s were stacked with top hurlers who would walk in to any team.
They were just mentally fragile when the chips were down.
I think Wexford have top players in Chin and Rory O'Connor and those 2 are the only 2 players who would get in to say the Cork team. Maybe Liam Ryan before injuries but after that I think Wexford are an average team and no amount of psychology is going to change that.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1332 - 30/04/2025 13:05:21
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