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Clare V Cork - All Ireland Hurling Final 2024

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Replying To Hurlingpurist:  "I am so surprised with Donal óg's comments after game on RTE. I don't believe he should be there when Cork are playing and he is not there to represent Cork as he suggests. He is there to analyse the game as a neutral. I am shocked that he and others say the ref had a good game. This was epic hurling and was a relatively easy game to ref. How many people complained about thrown handpasses, high tackles, too many steps in yesterdays game. Very few I would suggest and rightly so. This game was played to the highest standard and fairly by all players and yet the officials could not get the basics correct. The ref seemingly let the game flow. Yes he did and got lucky up until near the end as the bulk of the infringements that were let go resulted in scores for the fouled player so he did not have to get criticised for not calling it back. How many times did his arm go up on those occasions? Very few from looking on the TV.Sometimes in fairness to a hurling ref you can be a long way from the play with the speed the game is played at today but lets face it, the last play was a free taken by the Cork goalie in his own half with time up and the ref took up his position very well as he knew where the ball was going to drop. He was there and within 15 yards with no obstructive view of the catch and jersey pull and let play continue like he did all day but except this time the score did not materialise. Did he call it back ? no. Was he being consistent? Unfortunately for Cork. Yes. If I was refereeing such an epic game and possibly the best All Ireland Final ever and time was up and a team a point down I would be looking for any excuse to give a free so that we all could experience iot all over again in a few weeks. These players and managements deserve better. Did Clare agree to a replay v Offaly back in the 1990s due to referee error or am I dreaming?"
Here we go again! Referee mistakes after every game become discussion topic whether it's Johnny Murphy or James Owens or whoever. At least Hawkeye has taken umpire mistakes out of all Ireland finals. Until VAR is introduced we're going to have referee errors… no point talking about referee errors as the game is over, and GAA and it's supporters are unwilling to bring in VAR!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 362 - 22/07/2024 13:00:04    2560587

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Replying To Hurlingpurist:  "I am so surprised with Donal óg's comments after game on RTE. I don't believe he should be there when Cork are playing and he is not there to represent Cork as he suggests. He is there to analyse the game as a neutral. I am shocked that he and others say the ref had a good game. This was epic hurling and was a relatively easy game to ref. How many people complained about thrown handpasses, high tackles, too many steps in yesterdays game. Very few I would suggest and rightly so. This game was played to the highest standard and fairly by all players and yet the officials could not get the basics correct. The ref seemingly let the game flow. Yes he did and got lucky up until near the end as the bulk of the infringements that were let go resulted in scores for the fouled player so he did not have to get criticised for not calling it back. How many times did his arm go up on those occasions? Very few from looking on the TV.Sometimes in fairness to a hurling ref you can be a long way from the play with the speed the game is played at today but lets face it, the last play was a free taken by the Cork goalie in his own half with time up and the ref took up his position very well as he knew where the ball was going to drop. He was there and within 15 yards with no obstructive view of the catch and jersey pull and let play continue like he did all day but except this time the score did not materialise. Did he call it back ? no. Was he being consistent? Unfortunately for Cork. Yes. If I was refereeing such an epic game and possibly the best All Ireland Final ever and time was up and a team a point down I would be looking for any excuse to give a free so that we all could experience iot all over again in a few weeks. These players and managements deserve better. Did Clare agree to a replay v Offaly back in the 1990s due to referee error or am I dreaming?"
He called pulls on the jersey several times yesterday and even one off the ball which resulted in a point so he was not consistent with his last call and if you are correct in saying his view of the incident was unobstructed then his call was scandalous… I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he might not have seen the jersey stretched to its limits…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2729 - 22/07/2024 13:22:19    2560595

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One of the classics yesterday, fair play to Clare. All the talk about the ref but one oul fella is expected to run all over the pitch chasing 30 elite athletes to keep up with the play for 90 minutes is madness.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2048 - 22/07/2024 13:34:46    2560599

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Thought Marty did quite a professional job , got a bit emotional after TK's wonder goal but did well overall. He captured the excitement a lot better than the BBC commentator , their coverage seemed to filter out the crowd noise which was a big part of the occasion. Both presentations of yesterday's epic were very enjoyable"
Just a question for anyone else there but did anyone think alot of the crowd noise before the game was coming from the PA?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 22/07/2024 13:36:18    2560600

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "He called pulls on the jersey several times yesterday and even one off the ball which resulted in a point so he was not consistent with his last call and if you are correct in saying his view of the incident was unobstructed then his call was scandalous… I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he might not have seen the jersey stretched to its limits…"
Have to credit the company that made Cork jerseys. Was stretched to limit and didn't rip. Amazing Johnny Murphy didn't see that, or maybe he did and chose to ignore it… who knows!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 362 - 22/07/2024 13:43:48    2560605

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "He called pulls on the jersey several times yesterday and even one off the ball which resulted in a point so he was not consistent with his last call and if you are correct in saying his view of the incident was unobstructed then his call was scandalous… I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he might not have seen the jersey stretched to its limits…"
Well foreverblue2 if you look back you will see the player caught the ball on the 20m line right in front of goal and the ref was standing on the D in full view in perfect position with nobody in his line of vision. So yes It's scandalous

Hurlingpurist (Meath) - Posts: 2 - 22/07/2024 13:47:30    2560609

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Here we go again! Referee mistakes after every game become discussion topic whether it's Johnny Murphy or James Owens or whoever. At least Hawkeye has taken umpire mistakes out of all Ireland finals. Until VAR is introduced we're going to have referee errors… no point talking about referee errors as the game is over, and GAA and it's supporters are unwilling to bring in VAR!"
if you had VAR in hurling, every game would take 3 hours. you could watch sixty seconds of a hurling game and spot several contentious calls let along 70+ minutes

So then the argument is have it only for important moments - so how do you define those? Only goals, but not points? In a goal how far back in play do you go? Do you adjudicate steps? Hand passes? How do you adjudicate on tackles?
Jersey pulls sure there easy so we'll adjudicate those? (but notwithstanding the refs miss yesterday they are the one easy one to pick up)
What about the 65 that wasn't for Limerick in 2019? It wasn't a score so surely you wouldnt look at it? But it was last minute and Limerick would probably have scored a 65 so you should?
But if it happened in the 20th minute with Kilkenny six up would you look at it?
I can see the logic of calling for VAR, but lets not kid ourselves that there would be anything easy about it. It would be a nightmare to implement and as soon as you bring it in there would be a clamor to get rid of it

The nature of hurling: the speed of the game, the absence of a clearly defined tackle make it a poor candidate for VAR.
Sometimes you just have to accept that in the beauty of our game lies its frailties, and hope that while we might question individual calls, in the entirety of a game refs get most things right and the better team on the day wins. I think that happened yesterday.

Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 43 - 22/07/2024 13:48:47    2560610

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "He called pulls on the jersey several times yesterday and even one off the ball which resulted in a point so he was not consistent with his last call and if you are correct in saying his view of the incident was unobstructed then his call was scandalous… I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he might not have seen the jersey stretched to its limits…"
Murphy was 10/15 meters away clear view of the play. It's unfortunate it wasn't called, damn I would love to see them go at it again in two weeks.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 471 - 22/07/2024 13:50:49    2560612

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Replying To madfeen:  "Corkman here, ref did **** us a bit but no pint cribbing about it now. As someone pointed out; against Limerick in Munster this year we got away with a puck-out that was taken too quickly at the end that allowed us to win the penalty to win the game. If the ref had called that back Limerick would not have been taken by surprise and would not have conceded the penalty I think. We would have lost and been out of the Munster championship.
Limerick might have gone on to win the AI then. That's the way the cookie crumbles."
There was a lot of cookies crumbles that put both teams there yesterday. By far we were on the wrong side of these than anyone else. However two great teams served up an unbelievable final. I think Clare were more consistent through the championship and even if as it should have a draw against Waterford would still there yesterday. Cork got the rub of the green with not one but two game horrendous decisions against us and I am not a ref knocker. However again Cork were not to blame for this and improved beyond recognition as the year went on. Thank your contribution to that fabulous game yesterday against the team that deserved the All-Ireland.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2847 - 22/07/2024 13:52:33    2560613

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Thought Marty did quite a professional job , got a bit emotional after TK's wonder goal but did well overall. He captured the excitement a lot better than the BBC commentator , their coverage seemed to filter out the crowd noise which was a big part of the occasion. Both presentations of yesterday's epic were very enjoyable"
He did in fairness.

eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 224 - 22/07/2024 13:52:45    2560614

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Replying To Yadse:  "if you had VAR in hurling, every game would take 3 hours. you could watch sixty seconds of a hurling game and spot several contentious calls let along 70+ minutes

So then the argument is have it only for important moments - so how do you define those? Only goals, but not points? In a goal how far back in play do you go? Do you adjudicate steps? Hand passes? How do you adjudicate on tackles?
Jersey pulls sure there easy so we'll adjudicate those? (but notwithstanding the refs miss yesterday they are the one easy one to pick up)
What about the 65 that wasn't for Limerick in 2019? It wasn't a score so surely you wouldnt look at it? But it was last minute and Limerick would probably have scored a 65 so you should?
But if it happened in the 20th minute with Kilkenny six up would you look at it?
I can see the logic of calling for VAR, but lets not kid ourselves that there would be anything easy about it. It would be a nightmare to implement and as soon as you bring it in there would be a clamor to get rid of it

The nature of hurling: the speed of the game, the absence of a clearly defined tackle make it a poor candidate for VAR.
Sometimes you just have to accept that in the beauty of our game lies its frailties, and hope that while we might question individual calls, in the entirety of a game refs get most things right and the better team on the day wins. I think that happened yesterday."
VAR would be a help.., that's what the GAA governing body are there for. I am sure they can use it!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 362 - 22/07/2024 13:56:48    2560615

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Well done to both counties for providing an absolutely fantastic display of hurling yesterday. I felt Cork deserved another day but it wasn't to be. I'm sure the celebrations will be wild in Clare in the days and weeks ahead.

One thing that irked me yesterday is the slobbering over a few UK based people Tweeting about the game. Fair play to the BBC for broadcasting, and there's no better man than Thomas Niblock on commentary duty. I'm glad one of our great games is being enjoyed by people from other countries as well. But the reaction to this by Irish people is embarrassing if you ask me.

It's like our old inferiority complex surfacing again. Oh isn't it great that English people love our game, pat us on the head please....

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9449 - 22/07/2024 13:57:00    2560616

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Congrats to Clare. The better team on the day. The class of 2013 really stood up when needed with TK,SOD, JConlon and D McInerney all having fine games and showed real leadership throughout. I think the 3 Munster Final losses also stood to them given them the edge on dealing with the big day and also making them a little more battle hardened. I felt Cork should have varied their puck out once the Clare half back line got on top. I know Cork had alot of success against Limerick with the long puckout but generally these favour the defending team.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 138 - 22/07/2024 13:58:02    2560618

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "It was in no way decided on that. Every game will have missed frees but of course it is tougher when it's the last play. We know in Limerick exactly what it feels like from 2019. Game was won because Clare were the better team in what was an epic game and took their chances. Congrats to them and commiserations to Cork, it was an epic final. Tony Kelly was immense today and led his team to glory."
Yes yere decision did not just influence who won an Ireland but we now know a five in a row.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2847 - 22/07/2024 13:59:35    2560619

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Babies can be conceived & born before we get back to this level of hurling again. Arguably the greatest game in the world & the season lasts 3 months. The Munster & Leinster championships started on the 21/22 of April & everything ended on the 21st of August. An exciting 3 months

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 471 - 22/07/2024 14:07:09    2560623

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There is so much can be said about this game but I think the display given by Tony Kelly trumps it all. We knew how good he was in the past but it is easy forget when he played injured or recovering. Any thing he does from now on or retires will not diminish that performance. Too often injured and fading players are forgotten. Isn't it wonderful we witnessed one of the greatest ever yesterday in full flight and that memory should last a long time.
I do feel bad for Patrick but I could make a list a mile long of Waterford and other counties players who did not get Celtic Crosses. Maybe he still might.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2847 - 22/07/2024 14:18:58    2560628

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There is so much can be said about this game but I think the display given by Tony Kelly trumps it all. We knew how good he was in the past but it is easy forget when he played injured or recovering. Any thing he does from now on or retires will not diminish that performance. Too often injured and fading players are forgotten. Isn't it wonderful we witnessed one of the greatest ever yesterday in full flight and that memory should last a long time.
I do feel bad for Patrick but I could make a list a mile long of Waterford and other counties players who did not get Celtic Crosses. Maybe he still might.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2847 - 22/07/2024 14:18:59    2560629

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Replying To Bon:  "One of the classics yesterday, fair play to Clare. All the talk about the ref but one oul fella is expected to run all over the pitch chasing 30 elite athletes to keep up with the play for 90 minutes is madness."
It was suggested a number of years ago to have two referees in hurling. In the intervening years, sliothars are now lighter than they were back when the suggestion was made which means that the game is played at a faster rate. While it may not be feasible to have two referees at all grades, I think the GAA, as an organisation should consider it at intercounty championship level especially at provincial finals and during the all ireland series. I think Clare were the better team yesterday but I can understand why Cork fans are aggrieved with some of the decisions. I wouldn't blame the referee for some of these decisions as it is very difficult in real time to keep up with the speed of play plus he probably had to make a decision on these incidents a long distance away from the action.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1981 - 22/07/2024 14:19:46    2560631

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Replying To cluichethar:  "Murphy was 10/15 meters away clear view of the play. It's unfortunate it wasn't called, damn I would love to see them go at it again in two weeks."
Then it was an awful decision not to give a free… He clearly denied Cork of getting a draw so any criticism directed towards him is full merited… Any referee can make a mistake but this clearly doesn't come into this category… He saw the jersey pull and chose to ignore it which means this guy wanted Clare to win….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2729 - 22/07/2024 14:24:41    2560632

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Replying To Viking66:  "Sure you weren't supporting Cork?"
You definitely don't anyway. Big 3 phobia

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 362 - 22/07/2024 14:28:36    2560634

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