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Surprised Davy did not want another year. Aussie now 29 and can make an impact if assigned a role and sticks to it. Hope Shefflin is not getting considered to replace Davy.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 03/07/2024 18:00:47    2556792

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Replying To Canuck:  "Surprised Davy did not want another year. Aussie now 29 and can make an impact if assigned a role and sticks to it. Hope Shefflin is not getting considered to replace Davy."
Davy to Galway and Henry to Waterford would make more geographical sense, but maybe Waterford should stay within their own county. Likewise, Galway have fared better with a local manager.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 583 - 03/07/2024 21:01:55    2556809

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Replying To Canuck:  "Surprised Davy did not want another year. Aussie now 29 and can make an impact if assigned a role and sticks to it. Hope Shefflin is not getting considered to replace Davy."
Why didn't he want another year? Was it really his choice? I might sound cynical, but maybe he and Waterford came to a 'mutual' agreement about their parting.
Galway bound?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2654 - 03/07/2024 21:09:05    2556811

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Replying To Canuck:  "Surprised Davy did not want another year. Aussie now 29 and can make an impact if assigned a role and sticks to it. Hope Shefflin is not getting considered to replace Davy."
It would be a great move for Shefflin from a travelling/family point of view.
Why don't you want him to replace Davy?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2654 - 03/07/2024 21:22:56    2556816

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Why didn't he want another year? Was it really his choice? I might sound cynical, but maybe he and Waterford came to a 'mutual' agreement about their parting.
Galway bound?"
I doubt he'd take a Galway team in transition. Not really the way Davy works.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 03/07/2024 22:25:46    2556828

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Why didn't he want another year? Was it really his choice? I might sound cynical, but maybe he and Waterford came to a 'mutual' agreement about their parting.
Galway bound?"
I honestly don't know but will get some feed back at some stage.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 03/07/2024 22:29:49    2556829

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These things do not happen in isolation. I'm sure that Davy will take up the Galway job. Backdoor approaches made to him, and when both sides had it nailed won, Davy announces that he is leaving Waterford. Traveling my a**e, sure he went down farther to Wexford and for longer. When the deal was done, Galway tell Henry that it is time to move aside, or Henry smelled the rat and moved on of his own volition. Sure, many Galwegians were lepping that Davy wasn't installed 3 years ago. They're going to get their wish now.

Some spoofers in Galway saying that MOD is on the way back. That's a pure red herring to throw people off the scent of how obvious it is that Davy is going up there. The shorter traveling will now be his great justification to being able to spend more time with his young son, which he should, and still continue as an inter-county hurling manager. The boy is two, so why wasn't spending time with him such a priority over the past two years, while on the road up and down to Waterford?

You can spin any yarn whatever way you want, and some people will fall for it every time.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 03/07/2024 22:54:31    2556834

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Replying To midlands:  "Davy to Galway and Henry to Waterford would make more geographical sense, but maybe Waterford should stay within their own county. Likewise, Galway have fared better with a local manager."
Henry to Waterford, Davy to Dublin and o donoghue to go back to Galway.

camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 03/07/2024 22:55:59    2556835

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Replying To camánouttathat:  "Henry to Waterford, Davy to Dublin and o donoghue to go back to Galway."
Not trying to put the boot in to one of hurlings greatest ever, but at this particular juncture I don't see why any Liam Mccarthy county would want Henry.
Going back to club management or perhaps a lower tier county would be his next move imo, with the goal of taking another shot at managing an all Ireland County down the line.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 03/07/2024 23:46:01    2556840

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Great players don't necessarily make great managers. At times with Galway Henry looked like a deer in the head lights. Outside managers don't work in hurling and the proof is there. Davy had success in Clare and people playing that down is just incorrect. Lohan has not done that yet anyway and until not worthy to be compared with Davy.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 05/07/2024 14:34:51    2557068

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Great players don't necessarily make great managers. At times with Galway Henry looked like a deer in the head lights. Outside managers don't work in hurling and the proof is there. Davy had success in Clare and people playing that down is just incorrect. Lohan has not done that yet anyway and until not worthy to be compared with Davy.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 05/07/2024 14:35:26    2557069

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Aussie back as player manager?

LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 143 - 05/07/2024 22:31:36    2557125

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Maybe Clare could do with Davy back. They havnt had a lot of success since he left, in fairness.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1266 - 06/07/2024 15:43:10    2557217

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Replying To Canuck:  "Surprised Davy did not want another year. Aussie now 29 and can make an impact if assigned a role and sticks to it. Hope Shefflin is not getting considered to replace Davy."
The risks are greater for Shefflin than they are for Waterford. In his next appointment he needs to have a measurable degree of success. Getting Waterford to finish in the top 3 in Munster would meet that threshold but it is not a given. I think he would be a great appointment for ye and I think he probably would get ye into the top 3.

As for Davy, I dont think he would be a good appointment for us. I expect he is very interested and will jump at the opportunity especially since a Galway team even in the throes of a rebuild ought to be in with a shout of winning Leinster.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1953 - 06/07/2024 23:17:28    2557317

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Replying To LimerickForLiam24:  "Aussie back as player manager?"
Talks of Derek back with Daragh Sullivan. Who knows at this stage. A surge of players is what is important. Enough to stay competitive I believe but a bit short on winning pedigree.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 07/07/2024 01:42:45    2557325

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Hear we go again with the manager parade. Davy leaves Waterford once Sheflin resigns in Galway. Not that I ever wanted him in Waterford. Who do they think they are fooling? He has already been told he is considered for the Galway position if available. He could not be available if in Waterford still.
These mercenary managers do more damage than good. No allegiance to the county or responsibility for the state of affairs left behind them. Walk away with handsome financial reward. No continuity with the new systems now implemented by the next guy. Guaranteed Davy will have a three year plan like always and if Galway don't have success he will say as always, wait I have only started. It's just year one but he aborted in Waterford after two years. All that nonsense about a great team and players is just rhetoric.
Where must the heads of these Waterford players be ?
Most of them have played under the system of four managers and now some one else. The clubs must take a stand and stop the county board from this reckless behaviour.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 18/07/2024 14:40:35    2559928

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Replying To Canuck:  "Hear we go again with the manager parade. Davy leaves Waterford once Sheflin resigns in Galway. Not that I ever wanted him in Waterford. Who do they think they are fooling? He has already been told he is considered for the Galway position if available. He could not be available if in Waterford still.
These mercenary managers do more damage than good. No allegiance to the county or responsibility for the state of affairs left behind them. Walk away with handsome financial reward. No continuity with the new systems now implemented by the next guy. Guaranteed Davy will have a three year plan like always and if Galway don't have success he will say as always, wait I have only started. It's just year one but he aborted in Waterford after two years. All that nonsense about a great team and players is just rhetoric.
Where must the heads of these Waterford players be ?
Most of them have played under the system of four managers and now some one else. The clubs must take a stand and stop the county board from this reckless behaviour."
But lots of native managers also leave their counties in a worse place than they found them too.
I agree generally with your point, I believe that a manager should come from within the county, but John O Mahony did great work with galway and Leitrim, Micko with Laois and kildare, bond with offaly,, and even the bauld Davy won major trophies with Wexford and Waterford (first time round), as well as L. I. T.
No matter how good Davy does people will always take pot shots at him because he rubs people up the wrong way, but I've no doubt if we appointed him in 22 rather than Henry we would have achieved more the last 3 years.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 18/07/2024 18:43:02    2559967

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Replying To LimerickForLiam24:  "Aussie back as player manager?"
I thought it was strange that Davy announced he's leaving and Aussies straight back in.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 18/07/2024 22:06:11    2559980

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But lots of native managers also leave their counties in a worse place than they found them too.
I agree generally with your point, I believe that a manager should come from within the county, but John O Mahony did great work with galway and Leitrim, Micko with Laois and kildare, bond with offaly,, and even the bauld Davy won major trophies with Wexford and Waterford (first time round), as well as L. I. T.
No matter how good Davy does people will always take pot shots at him because he rubs people up the wrong way, but I've no doubt if we appointed him in 22 rather than Henry we would have achieved more the last 3 years."
Davy is an excellent manager for getting the most out of good players. And devising systems for them that suit them to make them more successful.
His record at player development and bringing young players through is pretty poor though.
Overall I think he has been great for the game of hurling as a whole though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 18/07/2024 22:50:34    2559989

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But lots of native managers also leave their counties in a worse place than they found them too.
I agree generally with your point, I believe that a manager should come from within the county, but John O Mahony did great work with galway and Leitrim, Micko with Laois and kildare, bond with offaly,, and even the bauld Davy won major trophies with Wexford and Waterford (first time round), as well as L. I. T.
No matter how good Davy does people will always take pot shots at him because he rubs people up the wrong way, but I've no doubt if we appointed him in 22 rather than Henry we would have achieved more the last 3 years."
The success of outside managers at All-Ireland level is dismal. I can speak for my own county. What we won was with Waterford men in charge. 48,59,92,2016 We even won two junior football All-Irelands with our own John Jackson in charge . I don't take pot shots at Davy. He is a great Clare man. Proved it in the field of play and as a manager. However he is not a Waterford man or a Galway man. What does that mean ? Like Cahill when a better offer came along and as door closed behind them they could not give a dam about Waterford hurling or Galway when that happens. They are driven by their own ego to look good. We will have to listen to the rhetoric from Davy how he loves them Waterford players while he will shout insults at them next year if in charge of Galway.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 19/07/2024 04:17:44    2559997

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