Replying To Pikeman96: "I notice that the statement from Wexford GAA includes this bit: Furthermore, during the course of extra time, there was no evidence of any score being cancelled or disallowed by the referee and/or his officials.
Crossing the flags is supposed to happen if a "point" is being disallowed, same as a goal. So I'm taking it to mean that the video didn't show flags being crossed. Which then means that if the referee says he overruled a "point", but he didn't tell the umpires to cross the flags to signify this, he's in a way saying "I didn't perform my duties properly".
No idea how that stuff from the referee ended up with that Sports News Ireland Twitter account, but I believe there are a couple of Wexford lads involved with Sports News Ireland. They'd also be involved with GAA, but wouldn't be County Board officers or members of the CCC. Possible that they got the thing directly from the referee, because I don't see who else would have it.
Haven't heard anything about how other refs feel about the whole thing."
The referee has the power to determine if it was a point or not and he does not need to consult with the umpires. The crossing of the flags relate to the umpires and their duties in respect to their decisions. There is a disconnect in the rules - the referee has the duty to keep the score, the power to overrule the umpire but in doing that he is not obliged to consult with the umpire or tell them to overrule their decision and therefore cross the flags. Of course that may be what should be intended but its not what is written"
A referee has to tell them to cross the flags if they raise a flag and he then disallows the score. I've seen that rule played out numerous times. Otherwise how will the players, management, press and spectators know what the score is? Likewise if they don't give a point and the referee overrules them he instructs them to put up a flag. They then wave it.
"...the referee has the duty to keep the score, the power to overrule the umpire but in doing that he is not obliged to consult with the umpire or tell them to overrule their decision and therefore cross the flags. Of course that may be what should be intended but its not what is written" zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1887 - 15/10/2024 16:16:47 2575108
That's ridiculous. A referee can overall a score without telling anyone? So no one, umpires, scoreboard attendants, the crowd, know what the real score is, except for the the referee.
Another point. There would have been several minutes between the end of extra-time and the start of the penalties. Did anyone, in that time, approach the referee and tell him that he'd got the score wrong?
Replying To zinny: "[quote=Pikeman96: "I notice that the statement from Wexford GAA includes this bit: Furthermore, during the course of extra time, there was no evidence of any score being cancelled or disallowed by the referee and/or his officials.
Crossing the flags is supposed to happen if a "point" is being disallowed, same as a goal. So I'm taking it to mean that the video didn't show flags being crossed. Which then means that if the referee says he overruled a "point", but he didn't tell the umpires to cross the flags to signify this, he's in a way saying "I didn't perform my duties properly".
No idea how that stuff from the referee ended up with that Sports News Ireland Twitter account, but I believe there are a couple of Wexford lads involved with Sports News Ireland. They'd also be involved with GAA, but wouldn't be County Board officers or members of the CCC. Possible that they got the thing directly from the referee, because I don't see who else would have it.
Haven't heard anything about how other refs feel about the whole thing."
The referee has the power to determine if it was a point or not and he does not need to consult with the umpires. The crossing of the flags relate to the umpires and their duties in respect to their decisions. There is a disconnect in the rules - the referee has the duty to keep the score, the power to overrule the umpire but in doing that he is not obliged to consult with the umpire or tell them to overrule their decision and therefore cross the flags. Of course that may be what should be intended but its not what is written"
A referee has to tell them to cross the flags if they raise a flag and he then disallows the score. I've seen that rule played out numerous times. Otherwise how will the players, management, press and spectators know what the score is? Likewise if they don't give a point and the referee overrules them he instructs them to put up a flag. They then wave it."]Is this the first time that a GAA match result was over turned?
We have a lots of examples of points waved wide and balls that crossed the goal line not given...........even at intercounty level with lots of different camera angles.
Remember Waterford's Austin Gleeson goal line catch......that decision put Waterford out of the championship.