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Replying To WexMurph: "Save it for the prelim lol" That would be great! Even winning a relegation final would be OK at this stage!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 06/08/2024 21:39:01
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Replying To WexMurph: "Agree, seems to be a lot less interest on this forum and from talking to people about games. The real competition won't start for weeks. Some teams are only tipping away it seems. Others need to win games to avoid relegation." I actually think that the split season was great to generate interest as it was so intense. I went to the games on Monday and thought they were excellent and there was a huge crowd at the second one in particular.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 173 - 06/08/2024 23:41:59
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Taghmon missing few big players but they look in big trouble in both codes in intermediate, alot can change though
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 207 - 07/08/2024 07:50:05
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Replying To lefty: "Taghmon missing few big players but they look in big trouble in both codes in intermediate, alot can change though" Alot of the better players who didn't go travelling have been injured this year also. Nearly every 1st team player from last year has missed games, or parts of games, this year. Hopefully they will be back fully fit and in training before the business end of the season.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 07/08/2024 15:51:10
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Replying To Viking66: "Alot of the better players who didn't go travelling have been injured this year also. Nearly every 1st team player from last year has missed games, or parts of games, this year. Hopefully they will be back fully fit and in training before the business end of the season." At least you guys will have some sense of competitiveness as your season progresses. Ours is going to be a one horse race again. Abbeyside some what up to it but the gunners are running a second string at the moment at half pace. Probably their intermediates would win the senior. Not good.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2847 - 07/08/2024 22:46:49
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Replying To Canuck: "At least you guys will have some sense of competitiveness as your season progresses. Ours is going to be a one horse race again. Abbeyside some what up to it but the gunners are running a second string at the moment at half pace. Probably their intermediates would win the senior. Not good." very hard to compete with a super club like ballygunner im sure alrite, the size they have to pick from is crazy, basically waterford city out to dunmore east and down into nearly passage, other side of town 3 senior hurling clubs and all competing well too and only a stones throw away from each other,
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 207 - 08/08/2024 07:51:16
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1 shels 1 annes
2 martins 2 gorey
3 oylgate 3 ferns
4 cloughbawn 4 glynn
5 harriers 5 oulart
6 rapps 6 cbeg
My predictions for finaL placings after 3 rounds
Only one I m bit unsure of is harrs and clough and would you prefer to finish 4th v ferns or 5th v cbeg in preliminary 1/4 final . Now harriers could still finish 3rd or 4th . But seem to be struggling to get ovr the line . After Mondays defeat how will their heads be likewise Rapps improving and will prob draw confidence from performance v shels . Cbeg seem to be really struggling oulart similar maybe not so much but look like finish bottom 2 group A looking like oulart will beat cbeg. . Group b will be closer for 3rd place down that's fairly obvious.
Will annes , shels ,martins gorey keep foot to floor if guaranteed top 2 before last day.
Preliminary i/4 finals
Olgate v glynn win for oylgate
Ferns v cloughbawn win for ferns win
Hars v cbeg win harrs
Rapps v oulart win rapps
Rrl final cbeg v oulart
1/4 finals
Annes v hars win annes
Shels v rapps win rapps
N eanna v oylgate win n eanna
Martins v ferns win ferns
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 09/08/2024 12:45:46
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Replying To lefty: "very hard to compete with a super club like ballygunner im sure alrite, the size they have to pick from is crazy, basically waterford city out to dunmore east and down into nearly passage, other side of town 3 senior hurling clubs and all competing well too and only a stones throw away from each other," 3 seniors clubs but you also have Erin's Own, St. Saviours, and Ferrybank. The city has a LOT of clubs packed into a small enough area.
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Replying To Fulgrim: "3 seniors clubs but you also have Erin's Own, St. Saviours, and Ferrybank. The city has a LOT of clubs packed into a small enough area." True shows the advantage ballygunner have size an population wise, nearly free reign from city to dunmore and passage and out to tramore
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Looking at player of week clip on socials that was some finish forxa player.
. Jesus Rory gave harriers some run around seemed to be allowed acres of space and only contact on him was to pull him down or foul him . Thats just looking at highlights in fairness .
Seemed to be given so much space n front of him and when in possessin thats criminal against a player of his quality. Surely the harriers line should have been quicker to react never mind not react at all .
Talking to martins man he said that they could nt believe how easy they made it for Rory especially the supply of ball into him barely unhindered in last 20 min and the space to exploit .
Said harriers were in good position to kick on but lost focus or legs of course were a man down too did nt help near the end .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 13/08/2024 15:41:48
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Replying To Formertownie: "Looking at player of week clip on socials that was some finish forxa player.
. Jesus Rory gave harriers some run around seemed to be allowed acres of space and only contact on him was to pull him down or foul him . Thats just looking at highlights in fairness .
Seemed to be given so much space n front of him and when in possessin thats criminal against a player of his quality. Surely the harriers line should have been quicker to react never mind not react at all .
Talking to martins man he said that they could nt believe how easy they made it for Rory especially the supply of ball into him barely unhindered in last 20 min and the space to exploit .
Said harriers were in good position to kick on but lost focus or legs of course were a man down too did nt help near the end ." Thought the harriers should have won the game to be honest,Rory wasn't a problem for the harriers for 45 mins!!! when Kyle scallan got second yellow the martins had time to find Rory at there ease because of spare man!!! He got wonder scores really all from side line, absolutely nothing the harriers could have done I think!!! On balance looking at it the harriers the better team and should have won,rorys magic scores got them over the line!!! Didn't think harriers or martins went for legs or fitness I thought both teams went to the end,in what was a great game!!!
theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 234 - 13/08/2024 17:47:12
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I see a report on this website today about the Offaly Senior Football Championship (similar to our hurling championships, in that every team goes through after the group stage), where the word "farce" is used:
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/333148
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Not the first time I've seen words like "farce" or "controversial" or even "disastrous" used in connection with it, including in this piece from an Offaly newspaper when it was voted in:
https://www.offalyindependent.ie/2023/11/16/disastrous-decision-made-on-club-football-format/
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What does anybody here think of our hurling format, now that it's up and running?
I know that I for one am not taking the group stage as seriously as I did in every other year. As far as I'm concerned, the "real" championship won't be starting until sometime next month.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2453 - 14/08/2024 12:20:12
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I see a report on this website today about the Offaly Senior Football Championship (similar to our hurling championships, in that every team goes through after the group stage), where the word "farce" is used: https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/333148 linkNot the first time I've seen words like "farce" or "controversial" or even "disastrous" used in connection with it, including in this piece from an Offaly newspaper when it was voted in: https://www.offalyindependent.ie/2023/11/16/disastrous-decision-made-on-club-football-format/ linkWhat does anybody here think of our hurling format, now that it's up and running? I know that I for one am not taking the group stage as seriously as I did in every other year. As far as I'm concerned, the "real" championship won't be starting until sometime next month."
The lack of coverage/interest wasn't helped by the Fleadh this year I'd be guessing. Also with the end of the split season the group stages are now lasting double the length of time they used to.
I agree my own interest hasn't been what it was in previous years, but I do think, or hope, that when we get to the business end there will be more meaningful games, with more riding on them. We will have more knockout, or at least post group, games than we used to, and at the end of the day Knockout games are the ones which really matter to players and supporters alike. In fact we are going to have 4 more meaningful games in each grade than we used to. We just haven't got to them yet.
Not wanting to go over old ground again, but 4 groups of 4 in each grade would reduce the number of relatively meaningless group games;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 14/08/2024 15:47:15
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Ah, the four groups of four argument :)
I'm not in favour of it from a playing standards point of view. But wouldn't surprise me if it eventually has to be considered from a calendar point of view.
As things stand, it takes 17 rounds of games for our championships - nine in hurling, and eight in football.
Next year, I expect that to be either 16 or 18. It'll be 16 if people vote to go back the way it was in hurling. Or if looks like the new hurling format will remain in place, I'd be sure the footballing end of things will put in a proposal to do the same in football, and that would make 18 rounds altogether.
However, four groups of four would be just 14 rounds of games if it kept the system of everybody going through anyway, or if there was a system of top teams going to quarter-finals, and second- and third-placed teams playing preliminary quarter-finals.
It would be just 12 rounds if there was a system of just the top two in each group going through.
We're already under pressure to run 17 rounds in time for Leinster, and if Wexford ever made an All-Ireland hurling semi-final or a Tailteann Cup Final, it would be even more difficult.
Throw in the fact that the free weekend just gone by proved very popular and there might be an appetite for more of them, and there'd be a strong argument all right for reducing the total number of rounds. Four groups of four would be maybe the best way of achieving that.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2453 - 15/08/2024 12:37:58
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I have said here many times about the four groups of four. I think it's the easiest way forward. Also keeps the grades fresh in that you probably won't be playing the same teams year in year out. Also brings a bit of excitement the championship draws.
I see that there has finally been some common sense in that they will be tacking tap and go payments at some venues this weekend when attending matches. It's still not cash payments but at least it's a forwards anyways, in that you don't have to go online to buy a ticket. .
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 423 - 15/08/2024 15:20:09
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Do club players want to play games or just complain about every format?
When I was playing hurling and football a few years ago I longed for the championship to start. April for clubs was a joke with a long lay off. We'd been playing pointless league matches for weeks at the time. I hated the lack of certainty, the unknown start date, and so on.
Players (me included) back then said "we need a defined calendar". We got one. The complaining goes on.
I'm not involved now but it seems to me GAA people live in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction. County games are too quick, the championship is over too soon, All-Ireland should be in September, too many club games. Like what do people want a knock-out club championship or county finals in December? If I was a club player (and in a year or two, I will be probably) and the county board said groups of 4, I would say no thank you I am not training all year for 3-4 championship matches.
If there was to be a weekend off the Electric Picnic should have been the "weekend off", not the Fleadh in my view. That was a weekend to show off hurling in the county to visitors. Lots of players want to go to EP.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1777 - 15/08/2024 15:21:44
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I see a report on this website today about the Offaly Senior Football Championship (similar to our hurling championships, in that every team goes through after the group stage), where the word "farce" is used: https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/333148 linkNot the first time I've seen words like "farce" or "controversial" or even "disastrous" used in connection with it, including in this piece from an Offaly newspaper when it was voted in: https://www.offalyindependent.ie/2023/11/16/disastrous-decision-made-on-club-football-format/ linkWhat does anybody here think of our hurling format, now that it's up and running? I know that I for one am not taking the group stage as seriously as I did in every other year. As far as I'm concerned, the "real" championship won't be starting until sometime next month."
At the minute it's just a level above all county league games really.
Championship is Championship, there really needs to be jeopardy of some description. No one wants straight knockout but in all honesty it's gone way too far the other way.
Everyone I talk to says the same as you "sure the real Championship won't be starting for weeks"
For a county that is always put to the pin of their collar to run championships withing a squeezed time frame it's pretty stupid in fairness to literally waste that amount of time for nothing in reality.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Do club players want to play games or just complain about every format?
When I was playing hurling and football a few years ago I longed for the championship to start. April for clubs was a joke with a long lay off. We'd been playing pointless league matches for weeks at the time. I hated the lack of certainty, the unknown start date, and so on.
Players (me included) back then said "we need a defined calendar". We got one. The complaining goes on.
I'm not involved now but it seems to me GAA people live in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction. County games are too quick, the championship is over too soon, All-Ireland should be in September, too many club games. Like what do people want a knock-out club championship or county finals in December? If I was a club player (and in a year or two, I will be probably) and the county board said groups of 4, I would say no thank you I am not training all year for 3-4 championship matches.
If there was to be a weekend off the Electric Picnic should have been the "weekend off", not the Fleadh in my view. That was a weekend to show off hurling in the county to visitors. Lots of players want to go to EP." I actually agree with a lot of you say, but have to pick you up on the bit about the Fleadh/Electric Picnic. You're a long way away, so you probably don't realise how big a deal the Fleadh actually was.
The free weekend wasn't just to let to people go to it and go on the beer if they wanted to, same as a free weekend for EP would be. It was also because a significant number of the people who are normally involved in the running of matches (gate people, stewards, club personnel, even some match officials) were also helping out at the Fleadh as volunteers. It wouldn't have been possible to run a full round of matches without them.
Also the consideration that a number of clubs around Wexford town were running Fleadh campsites at their grounds (e.g. Páirc Charman). Those clubs would have been in difficulty in finding somewhere to train that week for a championship match.
Fleadh will be back next year, and I'd expect same thing again. Maybe in future years, if a free weekend or two becomes a "thing", one might be given for EP all right. But surely overall, the main priority for Wexford GAA has to be fitting the club championships properly into whatever number of weeks are available before the Leinster Club Championships start, rather than trying to find a way to let young lads go off on a session for a weekend.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2453 - 15/08/2024 15:44:42
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Do club players want to play games or just complain about every format?
When I was playing hurling and football a few years ago I longed for the championship to start. April for clubs was a joke with a long lay off. We'd been playing pointless league matches for weeks at the time. I hated the lack of certainty, the unknown start date, and so on.
Players (me included) back then said "we need a defined calendar". We got one. The complaining goes on.
I'm not involved now but it seems to me GAA people live in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction. County games are too quick, the championship is over too soon, All-Ireland should be in September, too many club games. Like what do people want a knock-out club championship or county finals in December? If I was a club player (and in a year or two, I will be probably) and the county board said groups of 4, I would say no thank you I am not training all year for 3-4 championship matches.
If there was to be a weekend off the Electric Picnic should have been the "weekend off", not the Fleadh in my view. That was a weekend to show off hurling in the county to visitors. Lots of players want to go to EP." Most clubs will have at least 10 club championship games with groups of 4 running a similar format to the one we have in hurling with prelim QFs in both hurling and football . With potentially 14. The only way you would have less is finish top of your group then lose your QF. No club would only have 3 games.
The Fleadh is only on in Wexford one more year. Agree it would make sense to make the Picnic weekend the weekend off after that.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 16/08/2024 08:20:44
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A move to four groups of four would be crazy for a few reasons. One reason is less games and I presume the new hurling format is for more games and secondly you will have too many poor teams playing senior. At underage the premier grade is eight teams and I heard somewhere recently that they can't get any more than 3 or 4 clubs to go premier in football.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 173 - 16/08/2024 08:27:24
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