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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yeah, thought myself that it was the sort of refereeing display where both sides were unhappy at different times with certain decisions, but overall, he didn't unduly favour one side over the other.
Agree with all that's been said about the match. Rathnure were hugely dominant for about 95% of the first half and ever looked in real danger of being caught even coming towards the end of the game. Means they've gone the whole year in Intermediate without a serious prolonged challenge. May have had a few nervy moments v the Alley in their semi-final, and again coming near the end of the game yesterday, but not a single match where they weren't clearly the better team over the 60 minutes.
By the way, am as sure as can be that you're right that St. James' have never played senior hurling. They have no Intermediate title anyway, and nor do they have any Junior title from the years (1937 to 1955) when there was no Intermediate, meaning that Junior winners went straight to senior.
Speaking of Junior, thought the Duffry were good value for their win yesterday too, and another few goals wouldn't have flattered them. St Pat's goalkeeper did brilliantly a few times in the first half to keep them out, and was hugely unfortunate then with the first one that did get past him, but you could say that goal was coming anyway. Overall, another clear case of how the best side won." It's a wonder Duffry aren't doing better. There are 4 schools in the catchment area I've been told. Big club with a successful history too.
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Replying To Viking66: "It's a wonder Duffry aren't doing better. There are 4 schools in the catchment area I've been told. Big club with a successful history too." Think it's 3 schools in Kiltealy, Balindaggin, and Caim, not sure where you're getting four from
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Replying To Viking66: "It's a wonder Duffry aren't doing better. There are 4 schools in the catchment area I've been told. Big club with a successful history too." It's a relatively big area geographically all right, taking in Caim, Ballindaggin and Enniscorthy - basically from the outskirts of Enniscorthy right up to the top of the Blackstairs and the border with Co. Carlow.
There's a school in each of the three villages. Don't know what or where a fourth one might be.
They were senior in both codes for more than 30 years - won Intermediate Hurling 1978, Intermediate Football 1980, and stayed senior in both until early 2010s. Obviously had a golden era of football, but truthfully, never set the place alight in hurling. To the best of my knowledge, they only ever made one county semi-final in all that time, and were knocked out in the earlier rounds every other year.
For a good few years coming towards the end of their time there, they were basically surviving by virtue of being 13th, 14th or 15th best each year, when there were still 16 teams in the grade. Once senior dropped back to 12 teams, they didn't last long.
To be honest, they're actually an example of why I'm always against any calls to go back up to 16 teams in senior, "for the good of hurling". And yes, I realise those calls often come from yourself! To me, they're an example of how a team could "hide" there. Not good enough to be competing for the titles, but not quite bad enough to go down, so long as there are 15 others teams and you only need one of them to go worse than you.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I suspect you're not being 100% serious (!), but there's a point in there all the same.
The Kilkenny model is much like the one we had now insofar as there's a group stage where everybody goes through, followed by a knockout stage.
Big difference though is where they have gap weeks and everybody continues to concentrate 100% on hurling in those weeks. They're not training for and playing football matches instead.
That's the essence to why their system serves Kilkenny hurling so well. If we really did want to follow "the Kilkenny model", we'd have to relegate our football championships to a minor sideshow in the early part of the year as well, with none of our county hurlers playing in it." Maybe not quite 100% but not far off.
If you look at local soccer clubs, their main competition is the league and they play 20 games in a season.
Rugby is similar, I see Enniscorthy played 18 games in their league last year.
Both soccer and rugby have secondary Cup competitions on a knockout basis so maybe a couple of games here for the average year.
The key here is that you only play for one team.
In GAA we have a minority of players playing in multiple teams, multiple competitions and two different sports between college, club and county. As a result the majority of our players (club) train at high level from January to September for a handful of games.
I'm in favour of club and county, but we need to reduce the number of competitions at both club and county. And we need to improve the competitions we're left it.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Think it's 3 schools in Kiltealy, Balindaggin, and Caim, not sure where you're getting four from" I'll ask the man that told me that next time I see him. He's a Monageer man.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13852 - 11/11/2024 22:38:58
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Replying To Pikeman96: "It's a relatively big area geographically all right, taking in Caim, Ballindaggin and Enniscorthy - basically from the outskirts of Enniscorthy right up to the top of the Blackstairs and the border with Co. Carlow.
There's a school in each of the three villages. Don't know what or where a fourth one might be.
They were senior in both codes for more than 30 years - won Intermediate Hurling 1978, Intermediate Football 1980, and stayed senior in both until early 2010s. Obviously had a golden era of football, but truthfully, never set the place alight in hurling. To the best of my knowledge, they only ever made one county semi-final in all that time, and were knocked out in the earlier rounds every other year.
For a good few years coming towards the end of their time there, they were basically surviving by virtue of being 13th, 14th or 15th best each year, when there were still 16 teams in the grade. Once senior dropped back to 12 teams, they didn't last long.
To be honest, they're actually an example of why I'm always against any calls to go back up to 16 teams in senior, "for the good of hurling". And yes, I realise those calls often come from yourself! To me, they're an example of how a team could "hide" there. Not good enough to be competing for the titles, but not quite bad enough to go down, so long as there are 15 others teams and you only need one of them to go worse than you." Most teams in any top division in any sport aren't good enough to win titles at any point in time, even quite prolonged points in time. I've friends who are Everton, Villa, Spurs etc fans, even friends and family who support West Ham! It doesn't matter how many teams you have in it.
The draft system professional American sports use does even it up a little, but only somewhat. I follow the Cubs in Baseball since the 80s. Took 30 plus years for them to win a World Series, and they didn't win one for 70 plus years before that.
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Some of the motions for the convention.
1. OLI propose than any player who turns 18 before 1st January can play adult football and hurling from junior down.
2. Geraldine's propose that a person from each district form a committee to act as a outlet for any problems issues players clubs have.
3. Rosslare is a long winded one but basically they propose every club should have both a hurling and football team u10 down.
4. Glynn Barntown want the GAA lobby the Irish Government to have Gaelic Games included as an integral part of the curriculum at both primary and secondary school level
5. St. Joseph's to allow any 18 year old before 1st January to be allowed play adult.
6. Alley - To educate and rehabilitate players that have acted by in a racist, sectarian or anti inclusion / diversity nature towards an opponent or match official.
Not sure if any of the above will pass, Our Lady's Island is certainly a different one, probably looking to help smaller clubs but don't think the age grade will change.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 12/11/2024 07:42:42
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Some of the motions for the convention.
1. OLI propose than any player who turns 18 before 1st January can play adult football and hurling from junior down.
2. Geraldine's propose that a person from each district form a committee to act as a outlet for any problems issues players clubs have.
3. Rosslare is a long winded one but basically they propose every club should have both a hurling and football team u10 down.
4. Glynn Barntown want the GAA lobby the Irish Government to have Gaelic Games included as an integral part of the curriculum at both primary and secondary school level
5. St. Joseph's to allow any 18 year old before 1st January to be allowed play adult.
6. Alley - To educate and rehabilitate players that have acted by in a racist, sectarian or anti inclusion / diversity nature towards an opponent or match official.
Not sure if any of the above will pass, Our Lady's Island is certainly a different one, probably looking to help smaller clubs but don't think the age grade will change." I strongly agree with 3 and 4. Not sure 2 is necessary. 6 is already the case isn't it?
While 1 and 5 would have saved our club money this year it has to be said from a player welfare point of view I still wouldn't want to see any lad eligible for minor playing adult. Sone bigger 18 year olds are obviously well able for adult, but many others wouldnt be. And then there are the issues around fixtures, referees, pitches etc.
Although the way those 2 motions are worded is ambiguous. Obviously they mean lads who are going to be 18 during their minor year, but it could be read as lads who are already out of minor, which is the case as it is.
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Some of the motions for the convention.
1. OLI propose than any player who turns 18 before 1st January can play adult football and hurling from junior down.
2. Geraldine's propose that a person from each district form a committee to act as a outlet for any problems issues players clubs have.
3. Rosslare is a long winded one but basically they propose every club should have both a hurling and football team u10 down.
4. Glynn Barntown want the GAA lobby the Irish Government to have Gaelic Games included as an integral part of the curriculum at both primary and secondary school level
5. St. Joseph's to allow any 18 year old before 1st January to be allowed play adult.
6. Alley - To educate and rehabilitate players that have acted by in a racist, sectarian or anti inclusion / diversity nature towards an opponent or match official.
Not sure if any of the above will pass, Our Lady's Island is certainly a different one, probably looking to help smaller clubs but don't think the age grade will change." Sorry meant OLI proposal any player on or after Jan 1st of that calendar year are eligible to play adult football or hurling form Junior grade down.
OLI gave a walkover in Junior football championship last year.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 12/11/2024 09:55:06
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Jenkins after standing down, hopefully a few follow suit.
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Who are Rathnure playing now in Leinster? I didn't hear any details but there is some kind of dispute over the Dublin representatives? In fairness, they've had their fill of waiting on other teams to settle disputes this season already.
ontheball247 (UK) - Posts: 19 - 12/11/2024 11:29:45
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What's the actual date for the convention?
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1425 - 12/11/2024 11:32:11
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Replying To countyman2022: "Jenkins after standing down, hopefully a few follow suit." Who from what?
bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 45 - 12/11/2024 14:01:32
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Some of the motions for the convention.
1. OLI propose than any player who turns 18 before 1st January can play adult football and hurling from junior down.
2. Geraldine's propose that a person from each district form a committee to act as a outlet for any problems issues players clubs have.
3. Rosslare is a long winded one but basically they propose every club should have both a hurling and football team u10 down.
4. Glynn Barntown want the GAA lobby the Irish Government to have Gaelic Games included as an integral part of the curriculum at both primary and secondary school level
5. St. Joseph's to allow any 18 year old before 1st January to be allowed play adult.
6. Alley - To educate and rehabilitate players that have acted by in a racist, sectarian or anti inclusion / diversity nature towards an opponent or match official.
Not sure if any of the above will pass, Our Lady's Island is certainly a different one, probably looking to help smaller clubs but don't think the age grade will change." 1. Terrible motion. Either a player at that age can play adult or he cant. It shouldn't be a particular grade of adult. What if for example a club doesnt have a team from junior down? The 18 year olds in that club couldn't play adult but the under 18's in the club next door could. Ridiculous
3. Awful motion which has been brought forward numerous times before and has been heavily defeated each time. How could the Sarsfields have an under 10 hurling team? They are a football only club. Or how could a club field a team if they had only 2 players for example
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 12/11/2024 14:15:37
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Replying To Onfor15: "1. Terrible motion. Either a player at that age can play adult or he cant. It shouldn't be a particular grade of adult. What if for example a club doesnt have a team from junior down? The 18 year olds in that club couldn't play adult but the under 18's in the club next door could. Ridiculous
3. Awful motion which has been brought forward numerous times before and has been heavily defeated each time. How could the Sarsfields have an under 10 hurling team? They are a football only club. Or how could a club field a team if they had only 2 players for example" You are missing the point of Liam Griffin's motion.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13852 - 12/11/2024 17:04:24
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Replying To Viking66: "You are missing the point of Liam Griffin's motion." i dont think he mentions football at all in his proposal,
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 219 - 12/11/2024 18:27:49
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Some of the motions for the convention.
1. OLI propose than any player who turns 18 before 1st January can play adult football and hurling from junior down.
2. Geraldine's propose that a person from each district form a committee to act as a outlet for any problems issues players clubs have.
3. Rosslare is a long winded one but basically they propose every club should have both a hurling and football team u10 down.
4. Glynn Barntown want the GAA lobby the Irish Government to have Gaelic Games included as an integral part of the curriculum at both primary and secondary school level
5. St. Joseph's to allow any 18 year old before 1st January to be allowed play adult.
6. Alley - To educate and rehabilitate players that have acted by in a racist, sectarian or anti inclusion / diversity nature towards an opponent or match official.
Not sure if any of the above will pass, Our Lady's Island is certainly a different one, probably looking to help smaller clubs but don't think the age grade will change." 18 year olds currently CAN play adult, minors can't. Minors in Wexford are anyone born after January 1st.
Note: Wexford minors (U18) can play adult Leinster club championship and play adult intercounty.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 474 - 12/11/2024 20:52:15
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Replying To Viking66: "I strongly agree with 3 and 4. Not sure 2 is necessary. 6 is already the case isn't it?
While 1 and 5 would have saved our club money this year it has to be said from a player welfare point of view I still wouldn't want to see any lad eligible for minor playing adult. Sone bigger 18 year olds are obviously well able for adult, but many others wouldnt be. And then there are the issues around fixtures, referees, pitches etc.
Although the way those 2 motions are worded is ambiguous. Obviously they mean lads who are going to be 18 during their minor year, but it could be read as lads who are already out of minor, which is the case as it is." Offical GAA allow 18 year olds play adult.
Example Sean Rowley was one of Oylegates best player this year and would have been a big help in the 2023 county final if he was eligible to play.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 474 - 12/11/2024 20:57:41
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Replying To Viking66: "I strongly agree with 3 and 4. Not sure 2 is necessary. 6 is already the case isn't it?
While 1 and 5 would have saved our club money this year it has to be said from a player welfare point of view I still wouldn't want to see any lad eligible for minor playing adult. Sone bigger 18 year olds are obviously well able for adult, but many others wouldnt be. And then there are the issues around fixtures, referees, pitches etc.
Although the way those 2 motions are worded is ambiguous. Obviously they mean lads who are going to be 18 during their minor year, but it could be read as lads who are already out of minor, which is the case as it is." I know times are different from when I played when you could play adult once you turned 16 but I didn't see any issue with it then. Got thrown straight into Junior B where you had to man up fairly quickly but also the older players protected you too. One incident where I got a late slap across my arm after I hit the ball and before I could turn around to see who hit me one of the older lads on our team had floored the other lad and was standing over him shouting "he's only a chap". Only downside could see would be the amount of games they might have to play but other counties can make it work why can't we? Case in point Adam Screeney club and county u21 and senior at 18.
camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 12/11/2024 21:50:08
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Replying To ontheball247: "Who are Rathnure playing now in Leinster? I didn't hear any details but there is some kind of dispute over the Dublin representatives? In fairness, they've had their fill of waiting on other teams to settle disputes this season already." https://leinstergaa.ie/fixtures-results/
Leinster website have them playing Commercials Sat in Bellfield at 1:30. What's the controversy over the Dublin Reps?
camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 12/11/2024 21:54:37
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