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Replying To Doylerwex: "Nobody talking about Anne's" Anne's need to get past the Rapps first and let's be honest it's a free hit for the Enniscorthy men. I get your point though any of the remaining teams could win it but for me any team with Rory O Connor has to be favored and their strength off the bench is strong to say the least. Hopefully the Semi's provide more entertainment than the Quarter's anyway.
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Replying To Viking66: "Will Diarmuid Doyle come back? Good younger players they will have going forward to put a spine in their team might include
1- Lawlor,
3- Niall Murphy,
6- Eoin Murphy,
11- Corey Byrne Dunbar.
Along with Doyle that's not too bad at all. Agree they need more players than just them though." I don't know about Doyle tbh but even Alan Ahearne commented that it's a team in serious need of refreshing. I agree with you that there's a good spine there but the fact that Bennett didn't introduce more since he took over maybe tells it's own story.
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Replying To WEX98: "Should be played in August and September.
They are dragging out the underage competitions too just to eat into soccer and rugby which is going to back fire.
What clubs can train at this time of year......evenings are too dark for hurling" How do you see the underage GAA season working if there's not to be some overlap with soccer at both ends of the year?
Happen to know a bit about the underage soccer scene myself, from U12 up to U16. League started on September 21st. Generally, teams will get ten league matches, plus whatever cup matches they get to play. It'll take until the end of April or even into early May before they finish.
Are you suggesting we should just squash underage GAA into the soccer "close season" - i.e. have only about four months (early May to early September) to run championships in two different sports? Bear in mind that for U16 GAA, you'd even lose a couple of weeks of those months, because of the Junior Cert. And then send all the lads off to just concentrate on soccer for the other eight months of the year?
What if soccer does move to a summer season? We should just forget about running underage GAA altogether?
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Replying To Past hurler: "Be very interesting to see if Martins do win it out how they fair out in the Leinster club.
Our standard of senior club hurling is really really poor, not sure if it's a coaching issue or a dual club issue.
2023 - Kilcormac 2-22 Naomh Eanna 0-14
2022 - St Mullins 1-19 Ferns 1-17
2021 - Clough Ballacolla 1-17 Rapps 0-12
2020 - Covid
2019 - Ballyhale Shamrock 5-18 St Martins 1-16
2018 - Ballyhale Shamrocks 6-21 Naomh Eanna 4-11
2017 - Cuala 3-17 St Martins 0-15
Oulart the last team to do the business in Leinster in 2015 and they were not a dual club." I think you're spot on with the assertion that our club hurling championship is poor quality so it's hard to see any senior team from Wexford doing anything in Leinster.
Time will tell i suppose.
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Replying To Viking66: "Would there have to be a replay? Fethard won the game in extra time?" Still have no idea how they agreed to the penalty shoot out going ahead in the first place. Would have been well within their rights to head home having won the game. I'm actually a bit surprised Bunclody even went ahead with it. Are penalties officially part of the same game?
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Replying To WEX98: "Should be played in August and September.
They are dragging out the underage competitions too just to eat into soccer and rugby which is going to back fire.
What clubs can train at this time of year......evenings are too dark for hurling" regarding the underage - i do agree that there are too many games at this time of year. but thats because almost everyone gets a trophy. after the league stages top 4 in each group assuming a group of 8 get into semi finals. bottom 4 get no further. no shields. too many instances of teams pulling to get into a shield competition. need to get people/teams trying to win and be competitive. too many soft options around. Under age finished by end of September.
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Replying To Timbertony: "Still have no idea how they agreed to the penalty shoot out going ahead in the first place. Would have been well within their rights to head home having won the game. I'm actually a bit surprised Bunclody even went ahead with it. Are penalties officially part of the same game?" Be surprised if it gets over turned or replayed.... Fethard lads told me they were told the score at start of 2nd half of extra time and played on. Ref clarified it to them. His record is the only one that matters i suppose.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 411 - 08/10/2024 15:12:00
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Replying To WEX98: "Should be played in August and September.
They are dragging out the underage competitions too just to eat into soccer and rugby which is going to back fire.
What clubs can train at this time of year......evenings are too dark for hurling" We will be training all through the winter like last year. We have a lot of catching up to do;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 15:16:24
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Replying To Pikeman96: "How do you see the underage GAA season working if there's not to be some overlap with soccer at both ends of the year?
Happen to know a bit about the underage soccer scene myself, from U12 up to U16. League started on September 21st. Generally, teams will get ten league matches, plus whatever cup matches they get to play. It'll take until the end of April or even into early May before they finish.
Are you suggesting we should just squash underage GAA into the soccer "close season" - i.e. have only about four months (early May to early September) to run championships in two different sports? Bear in mind that for U16 GAA, you'd even lose a couple of weeks of those months, because of the Junior Cert. And then send all the lads off to just concentrate on soccer for the other eight months of the year?
What if soccer does move to a summer season? We should just forget about running underage GAA altogether?" Soccer IS moving to a summer season. Lads will likely have to choose earlier now, as parents won't be able to bring kids to everything, especially if they have more than one child.
A knowledgeable and experienced soccer and gaa man pointed out to me in the gym last week that it might benefit all the sports, as we have tended to produce lads who were good at hurling, football and soccer, but not exceptional at any of them.
Time will tell I guess Pikeman.
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There ya go WEX98
https://wexfordweekly.com/2024/10/08/wexford-u-14-club-hurler-scores-goal-of-the-year-in-division-1-county-hurling-final/sport/
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The negativity here is unbelievable at times.
No matter what the championship structure is, it won't be perfect as long as Wexford continue to believe the myth that you can play both equally and be successful at both at any level.
People talk about Oulart being down, they were but they are coming again and will be back with a vengance based on at least 2 of the underage teams I have seen first hand.
People complain about "coaching is not good enough". The coaching courses are there, provided by the county board free of charge and are as good as any coaching course in any county. What is missing is people who go and get over an underage team, "I'm too busy", blah blah and never go out and hurl in the back garden with their children. GAA is a babysitting service for these layabout parents who sit in the car looking at their smartphone while somebody else gets the goals set up.
There are naturally places for things to improve. Combined colleges being one of them which has to be looked at.
4G pitches are another which can help make the games a more year round endeavour and take the pressure off fixtures because I think hurling would benefit from the faster ball on a 4G pitch.
I have seen matches on TG4 and Clubber from other counties due to relations playing on them and the belief that the standard in Wexford is poor is a myth. The Dublin semi finals were awful.
Wexford clubs don't take Leinster serious because the week after a county final is a week long session.
There is room for improvement, but blaming coaching is not a fair representation of most coaches in most clubs. If a lad can't pick up the ball in the field and doesn't try until the next training session, how is he going to improve? Is that down to coaching? The coach has done his job, the player and parent has not.
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Replying To bystanderbill: "regarding the underage - i do agree that there are too many games at this time of year. but thats because almost everyone gets a trophy. after the league stages top 4 in each group assuming a group of 8 get into semi finals. bottom 4 get no further. no shields. too many instances of teams pulling to get into a shield competition. need to get people/teams trying to win and be competitive. too many soft options around. Under age finished by end of September." One-quarter of teams get a trophy and a set of winners medals. Another quarter of teams get a set of runner-up medals. Half of teams get nothing.
Basically, things are set up such that every team makes a semi-final of some sort (either Cup or Shield).
Can't speak for other clubs, but I know that in mine, it's certainly not a case of "pulling to get into a Shield". Of six teams this year (hurling & football at U14, U16 & U18), four of them unfortunately ended up in the Shields, and there was disappointment in all four cases.
And I note that you're another one who wants to squash all underage hurling and football into no more than five months of the year. How on earth are we supposed to develop players for the future if we adopt an attitude of "let's get it out of the way quickly, so that it doesn't interfere with the soccer" ?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2535 - 08/10/2024 17:25:05
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "The negativity here is unbelievable at times.
No matter what the championship structure is, it won't be perfect as long as Wexford continue to believe the myth that you can play both equally and be successful at both at any level.
People talk about Oulart being down, they were but they are coming again and will be back with a vengance based on at least 2 of the underage teams I have seen first hand.
People complain about "coaching is not good enough". The coaching courses are there, provided by the county board free of charge and are as good as any coaching course in any county. What is missing is people who go and get over an underage team, "I'm too busy", blah blah and never go out and hurl in the back garden with their children. GAA is a babysitting service for these layabout parents who sit in the car looking at their smartphone while somebody else gets the goals set up.
There are naturally places for things to improve. Combined colleges being one of them which has to be looked at.
4G pitches are another which can help make the games a more year round endeavour and take the pressure off fixtures because I think hurling would benefit from the faster ball on a 4G pitch.
I have seen matches on TG4 and Clubber from other counties due to relations playing on them and the belief that the standard in Wexford is poor is a myth. The Dublin semi finals were awful.
Wexford clubs don't take Leinster serious because the week after a county final is a week long session.
There is room for improvement, but blaming coaching is not a fair representation of most coaches in most clubs. If a lad can't pick up the ball in the field and doesn't try until the next training session, how is he going to improve? Is that down to coaching? The coach has done his job, the player and parent has not." That's absolutely spot on. Still undecided about the pros and cons of the Combined Colleges, and the effect they have on the school first teams concerned, but everything else is spot on.
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Replying To Viking66: "There ya go WEX98
https://wexfordweekly.com/2024/10/08/wexford-u-14-club-hurler-scores-goal-of-the-year-in-division-1-county-hurling-final/sport/" That's not the half of it.........he was unreal, scored another 3 points in similar fashion. But all 15 were brilliant.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 08/10/2024 18:00:39
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Replying To Pikeman96: "How do you see the underage GAA season working if there's not to be some overlap with soccer at both ends of the year?
Happen to know a bit about the underage soccer scene myself, from U12 up to U16. League started on September 21st. Generally, teams will get ten league matches, plus whatever cup matches they get to play. It'll take until the end of April or even into early May before they finish.
Are you suggesting we should just squash underage GAA into the soccer "close season" - i.e. have only about four months (early May to early September) to run championships in two different sports? Bear in mind that for U16 GAA, you'd even lose a couple of weeks of those months, because of the Junior Cert. And then send all the lads off to just concentrate on soccer for the other eight months of the year?
What if soccer does move to a summer season? We should just forget about running underage GAA altogether?" I couldn't careless about soccer, waste of time. But GAA should be done before October.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 08/10/2024 18:03:49
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Replying To Viking66: "We will be training all through the winter like last year. We have a lot of catching up to do;-)" We're done now until February. Full steam ahead then.
The lads will get plenty of hurling in school and there's the U12 Wexford hurling school for anyone interested in hurling during the winter. 100% of our lads done it last year.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 08/10/2024 18:07:40
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Replying To Pikeman96: "One-quarter of teams get a trophy and a set of winners medals. Another quarter of teams get a set of runner-up medals. Half of teams get nothing.
Basically, things are set up such that every team makes a semi-final of some sort (either Cup or Shield).
Can't speak for other clubs, but I know that in mine, it's certainly not a case of "pulling to get into a Shield". Of six teams this year (hurling & football at U14, U16 & U18), four of them unfortunately ended up in the Shields, and there was disappointment in all four cases.
And I note that you're another one who wants to squash all underage hurling and football into no more than five months of the year. How on earth are we supposed to develop players for the future if we adopt an attitude of "let's get it out of the way quickly, so that it doesn't interfere with the soccer" ?" A bit like the senior hurling........everyone gets a quarter final.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 08/10/2024 18:08:39
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Replying To WEX98: "I couldn't careless about soccer, waste of time. But GAA should be done before October." Let's leave soccer aside, then. But the question still remains.
If you want GAA finished before October, that means you want it finished in September.
U14 championships really only get going in May. That means you want only five months of the whole year to cover football and hurling for boys of that age.
U16 & U18 championships only get going after the Junior and Leaving Certs. Let's say middle of June. That means you want the entire U16 & U18 hurling and football championships squashed into only three and a half months of the whole year. Anybody knocked out at semi-final stage would be finished in only three months.
Do you really think that's enough hurling and football action for lads aged between 13 and 18?
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Replying To WEX98: "That's not the half of it.........he was unreal, scored another 3 points in similar fashion. But all 15 were brilliant." Good Viking blood in him- isn't he a Quigley?!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 20:28:27
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Replying To WEX98: "We're done now until February. Full steam ahead then.
The lads will get plenty of hurling in school and there's the U12 Wexford hurling school for anyone interested in hurling during the winter. 100% of our lads done it last year." Nearly all of ours too. Will be the same again this winter. What an excellent initiative! Did you notice your lads stayed pucking a ball around all winter because of it?
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