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Replying To WexMurph: "Gorey put alot of time into football last couple of weeks surely played a part aswell. I don't think it's right that a club trying to juggle both are at a disadvantage either. At this stage I would nearly say the standard is worse than it ever was. All 3 QF have been scrappy enough games." That's why I pushed hard on this forum for us to keep the split season. It let dual players concentrate on one code at a time. They have completely different skill requirements.
The football and hurling championships being so dragged out now is another reason why there isn't the same urgency or intensity, especially in the early group fixtures.
Then there's the weather and pitches which definitely aren't going to be conducive to fast, top of the ground hurling, and are only going to get slower.
If our club hurling champions don't give Leinster and the AI series a good rattle now, genuinely I think changing the format and structure was an absolutely pointless exercise that has only made everything worse.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: " Replying To tearintom: "[quote=Pikeman96: "Whatever about the first one in relation to scorekeeping on the day, they'd have absolutely no case if they claimed there's no provision for winner on the day.
The Rule Book (Rule 3.4 of Part 2) allows CCCs to decide when to use extra time, replays, and winner on the day, and the Wexford Competition Regulations for adult championships clearly state:
In the event of a draw in County Finals, County Relegation Finals or District Finals, extra time will be played followed by a replay if still level. In the event of a draw in the replay, Winner-on-the-Day regulations will apply.
In the event of a draw in all other knockout fixtures, Winner-on-the-Day regulations will apply.
On the other major talking point of the weekend - I was in Wexford Park yesterday all right, but genuinely didn't see the Lee Chin incident. Was distracted talking to the fella beside me as it happened." It was something of nothing. Gorey keeper made an absolute meal of it, chins hurl was being held, he yanked it free and made the slightest contact, yer man then goes down like he's been hit by a sniper. I've no affiliation to either club BTW just hate seeing that carry on and of course our IC referee never refuses an opportunity to make it all about him. Feel sorry for the Harriers to be fair and it ruined another game."
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Replying To tearintom: "The quality of our hurling championship has been poor for years, throughout numerous different structures and changes for a long long time it's been of poor quality. This isn't a new thing, it's been the same for nigh on a decade.
But we collectively made it even worse this year by introducing a structure that had practically zero jeopardy for the entirety of the group stage and really benefitted fhe worst teams more than anyone else. And it was entirely predictable.
From whispers I've heard from wexford park the prevailing thought is that we shouldn't go forward with the same structure next year and rightly so." If "whispers from Wexford Park" means the opinion of the management committee of the County Board, then just to point out that they weren't in favour of it this year either. It was the votes of club delegates at the relevant meeting that brought it in.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "If "whispers from Wexford Park" means the opinion of the management committee of the County Board, then just to point out that they weren't in favour of it this year either. It was the votes of club delegates at the relevant meeting that brought it in." Yeah that's a fair point.
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Replying To hurlin101: "I am also neutral with no vested interest in the game. It was NEVER a red card, better team lost even without Chin so no doubt they would be in a semi final only for the ref and his umpire.
Martins are still the team to beat and I expect them to live up to the expectations for once.
On vikings comment about maybe being time to go back and talk about the split season. It really amazes me because that is all alot of people have been doing anyway.
I get the idea that when you're playing all one code for a period of time that it will be slightly better maybe than if you're playing it every 2 weeks but the quality wasn't exactly top class the last few years in either code.
Every year people call for change , expecting the quality in the County to improve based on their version of what the perfect championship model is, sad fact is that people don't like to admit is that the actual overall quality in the county isn't as good as people think.
Most people will agree that club football in wexford is of a subpar standard but the same goes for hurling I'm afraid to say but the big hurling people can't see it through their rose tinted glasses.
How about come up with a proper league structure with promotion and relegation for 5 to 10 years, stick to one championship structure for the same period and invest in coaching at club level and see if that has more of a positive impact on the standard than just changing championship structures every year expecting some sort of unrealistic change in quality, while also having what is probably one of the least competitive or cared about club leagues in the country." And just to back to the last line of this one, about "probably one of the least competitive or cared about club leagues in the country" -
What people tend to forget or overlook is that in the counties where they have "good" leagues, they don't run anything at all in the early part of the year. In Kilkenny this year, for example, there was no senior club hurling at all until their county team was out of the championship.
On the other hand, counties like Galway and Tipperary do the same as ourselves - i.e. run a league in the early part of the year for club players who are not with inter-county squads, and then run a separate championship in the second half of the year. And in those places, their Leagues are also criticised for not being meaningful, competitive, etc.
So, which of these options is best, or even "least worst"? -
1 - Continue like ourselves, Galway and Tipp, so that everybody has one series of games from February/March to around June, and then another series from end of June/early July to whenever they're knocked out of the championship, or
2 - Do like Kilkenny, where senior club players are sitting around for the first half of the year, before having a "proper" league, that's followed by a straight knock-out championship?
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I agree with most of the comments here regarding Chin's red yesterday , I saw it - his hurl was being held he pulled it to get it back and made a tiny comtact with the Gorey keeper. If anything the Gorey keeper should have got a yellow and nothing more should have happenned. If the umpires had eyes and ever watched hurling before they would have told the ref this. The ref didnt seem to quiz them much on it before making what was a game deciding decision. I didnt come across anyone who was in the park who thought it was a red apart from the umpire and thus referee. The Harriers training all year to lose their best player and the county's best player to a wrong call is beyond frustrating for them and simply isnt good enough. The Harriers were heroic in the 2nd half but the extra man eventually told. Apart from the officials getting it wrong the play acting by the Gorey keeper was shameful and that carry on is a blight on the game unfortunately.
The Martins were impressive enough and Gorey far from it so the Martins would be the stand out favourite on current form and you;'d imagine the winner will come from that semi.
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Just two points on the championship:
- The Mixed season has to stay. Far, far better than the split for all concerned. Not a perfect solution, but we are a dual county and it's certainly better than the split. There is no perfect solution, the mixed season, two weekends hurling then two weekends football is the best solution available.
- The structure of the hurling championship is so bad. You'd have to wonder at how this was brought in. I said it at the time that it was so poorly thought out. Cloughbawn v Oulart in relegation final, after both won two group games. One of them will be back down in intermediate after showing their clearly senior hurling standard. Does nothing to help hurling. Rapps through after zero wins. Absolutely ridiculous. Thankfully this wasn't done to football. Obvious to everyone that hurling needs to follow football structure next year.
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Replying To WexMurph: "Gorey put alot of time into football last couple of weeks surely played a part aswell. I don't think it's right that a club trying to juggle both are at a disadvantage either. At this stage I would nearly say the standard is worse than it ever was. All 3 QF have been scrappy enough games." But we had the mixed season for decades prior to Covid and the standard was never as bad as this
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Did anyone get to any games outside of the 3 senior ones over the weekend?
In intermediate it doesn't look like anyone will get close to Rathnure, with some of the players Fethard have I would of expected them to beat Bunclody (I know they technically did according to the reports), you'd have to imagine they are fairly disappointed with that performance. I would fancy St James to beat Bunclody and then to get bet by Rathnure in the final.
Intermediate A looks very open, St Martins second string are going very well and had a very comfortable result. Monageer will also fancy their chances of going all the way but Clongeen seem to peaking at the right time after an impressive performance over the Geraldine's. With Castletown being in the football semi final and strongly fancied to get to a final, you'd imagine this will hinder Liam Mellows who are the only team left that also have the football to focus on.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "But we had the mixed season for decades prior to Covid and the standard was never as bad as this" Yes but we had 4 round played in April. Players weren't playing every weekend and had some sort of chance to recover then for the remaining rounds.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "And just to back to the last line of this one, about "probably one of the least competitive or cared about club leagues in the country" -
What people tend to forget or overlook is that in the counties where they have "good" leagues, they don't run anything at all in the early part of the year. In Kilkenny this year, for example, there was no senior club hurling at all until their county team was out of the championship.
On the other hand, counties like Galway and Tipperary do the same as ourselves - i.e. run a league in the early part of the year for club players who are not with inter-county squads, and then run a separate championship in the second half of the year. And in those places, their Leagues are also criticised for not being meaningful, competitive, etc.
So, which of these options is best, or even "least worst"? -
1 - Continue like ourselves, Galway and Tipp, so that everybody has one series of games from February/March to around June, and then another series from end of June/early July to whenever they're knocked out of the championship, or
2 - Do like Kilkenny, where senior club players are sitting around for the first half of the year, before having a "proper" league, that's followed by a straight knock-out championship?" Kilkenny play their football championship when our Club Leagues are on. Final was at the end of May.
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Replying To WexMurph: "St Martins were a level above Ferns and won comfortably in the end. Could be the start of a rebuild for this Ferns team. Was a poor enough spectacle to be honest plenty of aimless balls Daithi Waters cleaned up at the back and Rory O Connor was dangerous up front.
Second game Harriers down to 14 men Chin sent off for a harmless coming together. Extra man told in the end although Jack Cullen went for a goal from a fair distance out to level it deep jnto injury time. Richie Kehoe played very well for the Harriers on Conor McDonald. Best team probably lost. Gorey were without Cian Molloy and will have to improve if there gonna beat the Martins." I think you're right about a rebuild for Ferns, serious mileage on that team, very few new players introduced over the past few years. Could be a tough time ahead trying to get new lads up to speed in senior.
St Martins the obvious choice to go on and win it out from here but I'm sure Naomi Eanna will give them a hell of a lot more to think about than Ferns did.
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Replying To YellowShadeOfPurple: "I think you're right about a rebuild for Ferns, serious mileage on that team, very few new players introduced over the past few years. Could be a tough time ahead trying to get new lads up to speed in senior.
St Martins the obvious choice to go on and win it out from here but I'm sure Naomi Eanna will give them a hell of a lot more to think about than Ferns did." Nobody talking about Anne's
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Replying To YellowShadeOfPurple: "I think you're right about a rebuild for Ferns, serious mileage on that team, very few new players introduced over the past few years. Could be a tough time ahead trying to get new lads up to speed in senior.
St Martins the obvious choice to go on and win it out from here but I'm sure Naomi Eanna will give them a hell of a lot more to think about than Ferns did." Will Diarmuid Doyle come back? Good younger players they will have going forward to put a spine in their team might include
1- Lawlor,
3- Niall Murphy,
6- Eoin Murphy,
11- Corey Byrne Dunbar.
Along with Doyle that's not too bad at all. Agree they need more players than just them though.
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Proposals in respect of Championship Structure
Hurling Advisory Committee
The Hurling Advisory Committee is responsible for promoting and developing all hurling activities in
the County. Through the promoƟon and development of hurling, our single key goal is for Wexford to
win a Senior Hurling All-Ireland Final and compete regularly for Leinster and All Ireland success at
minor and Under 20 level.
In our view, one of the key reasons we have only won one All-Ireland Hurling Championship in 55
years is predominantly because of the way we play our County Hurling competions, and we feel it is
now time to change with the recent changes to the Leinster Club Championship fixtures calendar.
The old mantra of "keep doing what you do and expect to get the same results" bears true and we
need to use the opportunity that presents itself now to enact change.
Championship
Hurling is the game that our supporters want to see and continually vote with their feet, be it in
supporting our county teams or attendance at Club championship games.
We propose that the Hurling Championship be designed to be nine round championship with every
game having meaning and competiveness as a proper championship should have. Our proposal is
based very much akin to the Kilkenny model and we all know how compeitve the Kilkenny
championships are with their club representatives at all grades competing well in the Leinster and
All-Ireland club championships. We also now have the window in the fixtures calendar to
accommodate this proposal which will be for the betterment of hurling in Wexford at all grades and
incrementally over time increase Wexford's competiveness at club and county level.
Motion 1
That the Hurling Championship be organised on the following basis:
12 teams in each grade, split into two groups of six on a seeded basis.
Each team plays the other teams within their group in the league stage.
The top two teams in each group go directly to the Quarter Finals, with the top team in each
group as Seed 1s and the second placed team in each group Seed 2s for the quarterfinals.
The 3rd and 4th placed teams in each group play each other in Preliminary Quarter Finals with the
winners going to the Quarter Finals as Seed 3s and the losers exiting the Championship.
The 5th and 6th placed teams in each group play each other in Preliminary Quarter Finals with the
winners going to the Quarter Finals as Seed 4s and the losers playing each other in the
Relegation Final.
The Quarter Finals will be seeded with Seed 1s v Seed 4s and Seed 2s v Seed 3s. Repeat pairings
from the group stage will be avoided if possible.
Semi Finals will be open draw.
One team will be relegated from each grade each year, with one team being promoted.
Benefits of Motion
1. This format provides at least six games for each team, up from the current minimum of five
games.
2. Every single championship game is meaningful and It ensures that there is more to play for in the
final round of the league stage for the following reasons.
Direct entry to Championship ¼ finals for 4 teams
Teams finishing 3rd and 4th secure a place in a preliminary quarter-final secure their status for
the following season with the avoidance of RelegaƟon.
Teams finishing 5th & 6th enter the RelegaƟon Semifinals/Preliminary Quarter Finals, with the
winners of these matches qualifying for the Championship ¼ final and the losers of both
games going to the Relegation final.
3. Those teams that finish first and second in their respecƟve groups gain rewards for their
posiƟons as they have a gap week for Preliminary Quarter Finals weekend.
Copy and pasted from motions for January Committee meeting 2024
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Annes Rapps match cancelled again !!!!!
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Just back from the Park, that is what you would call a shambles. No word yet on a refixture as the CB wouldn't let a representative from either ourselves or the Rapps in the room.
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Replying To YellowShadeOfPurple: "I think you're right about a rebuild for Ferns, serious mileage on that team, very few new players introduced over the past few years. Could be a tough time ahead trying to get new lads up to speed in senior.
St Martins the obvious choice to go on and win it out from here but I'm sure Naomi Eanna will give them a hell of a lot more to think about than Ferns did." Be very interesting to see if Martins do win it out how they fair out in the Leinster club.
Our standard of senior club hurling is really really poor, not sure if it's a coaching issue or a dual club issue.
2023 - Kilcormac 2-22 Naomh Eanna 0-14
2022 - St Mullins 1-19 Ferns 1-17
2021 - Clough Ballacolla 1-17 Rapps 0-12
2020 - Covid
2019 - Ballyhale Shamrock 5-18 St Martins 1-16
2018 - Ballyhale Shamrocks 6-21 Naomh Eanna 4-11
2017 - Cuala 3-17 St Martins 0-15
Oulart the last team to do the business in Leinster in 2015 and they were not a dual club.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 835 - 07/10/2024 22:16:29
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Replying To Pikeman96: "And just to back to the last line of this one, about "probably one of the least competitive or cared about club leagues in the country" -
What people tend to forget or overlook is that in the counties where they have "good" leagues, they don't run anything at all in the early part of the year. In Kilkenny this year, for example, there was no senior club hurling at all until their county team was out of the championship.
On the other hand, counties like Galway and Tipperary do the same as ourselves - i.e. run a league in the early part of the year for club players who are not with inter-county squads, and then run a separate championship in the second half of the year. And in those places, their Leagues are also criticised for not being meaningful, competitive, etc.
So, which of these options is best, or even "least worst"? -
1 - Continue like ourselves, Galway and Tipp, so that everybody has one series of games from February/March to around June, and then another series from end of June/early July to whenever they're knocked out of the championship, or
2 - Do like Kilkenny, where senior club players are sitting around for the first half of the year, before having a "proper" league, that's followed by a straight knock-out championship?" I would suggest something like if you win the league you are rewarded with 2 bonus points for championship and runner up is rewarded with one bonus point. Might make the league taken more seriously then.
Also personally I'd go for 16 team championship.Something like 4 groups of 4. 1st place through to quarters, 2v3 in prelims. 4 Bottom teams go into a relegation round robin. Bottom team of relegation round robin gets relegated. 7 rounds and could be played in 8 weeks and every game something to play for.
The last few years, oulart,cloughbawn and now probably Rathnure beating every other team comfortably in intermediate but then at the bottom of senior.
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Replying To Past hurler: "Be very interesting to see if Martins do win it out how they fair out in the Leinster club.
Our standard of senior club hurling is really really poor, not sure if it's a coaching issue or a dual club issue.
2023 - Kilcormac 2-22 Naomh Eanna 0-14
2022 - St Mullins 1-19 Ferns 1-17
2021 - Clough Ballacolla 1-17 Rapps 0-12
2020 - Covid
2019 - Ballyhale Shamrock 5-18 St Martins 1-16
2018 - Ballyhale Shamrocks 6-21 Naomh Eanna 4-11
2017 - Cuala 3-17 St Martins 0-15
Oulart the last team to do the business in Leinster in 2015 and they were not a dual club." You are right they are not a dual club (Oulart ) is that the reason they are where they are at present .
1 game away from intermediate again.
To join rathnure and the alley . Hurling strongholds .
Where dual status might be a contributing factor to hurling past and predmesnt state if it's the main factor explain why those 3 clubs have struggled last 6 or 7 years .
We are hardly the most successful county at hurling either club or county . History and success rate record does not lie . 1 all ireland in senior and minor in 56 years would nt exactly be a huge achievement for a hurling stronghold.
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