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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Predictions for the weekend;

Rapps-Harriers, Harriers by 4
Cloughbawn-Shels, Shels by 6
Oylegate-Martins, draw

Anne's-Gorey, Anne's by 2
Ferns-Barntown, Ferns by 4
Oulart-Crossabeg, Oulart by 2"
Rapps v Harriers: Liam Ryan will give Rapps a boost and are capable of winning this but Harriers to have enough by 2
Cloughbawn v Shels: Could be closer than people think, Shels by 3
Oylegate v Martins: Martins have a few injuries but still fancy then to do enough and grab a top 2 place

Anne's v Gorey: Game of the weekend on paper, Will call a draw. Looking forward to it.
Ferns v Barntown: Could be close again, Glynns younger players are performing well, but Ferns by 2
Oulart v Crossabeg: Both teams without points, Oulart to win by 4

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 215 - 21/08/2024 17:44:26    2566212

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Hars v rapps hars by 5 rapps injuries and look like rapps finishing bottom either way now on any other day be closer . And I d sayvthey just starting build now for preliminary 1/4 finals .
Shels v cbawn shels by 6 cbawn eye on next week v hars stay out bot bottom 2
O/gate v martins draw suits both or small margin win for martins both
Oul v cbeg win cbeg by oul don't like hurlng big men confidence boost fir cbeg in football will bolster squad .ferns v glynn ferns by 4 glynn fighting on 2 fronts but safely out bottom 2
Annes v gorey . Anne's win by 2 or 3 think squad will be fighting for places and trying keep momentum and get co chemistry scalp . Gorey more settled and will beat cbeg last game to finish top 2 not that they won't be ging fir it weekend but will be holding a little back.

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 22/08/2024 08:40:25    2566256

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Very strange on here that there is so little engagement . Suppose it's one if the downfalls of the new system .
Are better teams holding back and just going through motions and banking on winning knock out and trying just to finish tip 4 .
Others training hard since early new year and still could be in bottom 2 .
Was appointment of Richie power Master stroke by shels with his insight into how the system actually works and what's the best strategy for this set up where others just guessing and gathering info intermittently.
They look odds on to make 2 top if not already guaranteed and earn a week off is that the only real reward .
If they are successful will there be a clamour for kilkeeny coaches/ managers next year assuming format is kept . Personally I dont like it but that's just personal opinion.
Does it suit bigger clubs /panels where they can experiment with players and still have enough to finish outside bottom 2 where smaller panels bystingca gut to get into 4 . All remains to be seen
Normally going into penultimate round the tension would be palpable but it seems subdued at present .
Or am i missing something take rapps lose this weekend they def in bottom 2 could give walkover in kast round and be in no worse a situation and get weeks rest don't imagine that will happen but it's an option . There list of injuries is growing . What would stop them doing it .
The next round of the football wil be cutthroat and decisive but being football and the campaign to downgrade the significance of it . It will only be of major importance to those involved .
If u missed next 2 rounds of the hurling what would u actually miss in fairness .
Is it working will there be much interest in it at all up to preliminary 1/4 finals ..
Still find it hard to get head round 3rd place could go out before 1/4 final 6th could win the championship .
5th and 6th in theory have easier preliminary 1/4 final
Would it be fairer 5 th played 4th in preliminary 1/4 and 6ths in relegation regardless .
Would make last couple rounds certainly more competitive and interesting IMO .
Just seems unfair and certain level of disinterest at present.
Will it improve inter County hurlers where there is no real cutthroat game til latter stages . Even round Robin in leinster has more risk attached .
Give most teams a week off and 6 quaranteed games. If u finish 4th or 5th u be only too eager to stay in championship and be glad to be"
Is the below correct or how are the prelim quarters decided ?
3rd Group A v 4th Group B
4th Group A v 3rd Group B
5th Group A v 6th Group B
6th Group A v 5th Group B

Someone else said that it is 3rd v 3rd , 4th v 4th , 5th v 5th and 6th v 6th which can't be right ?

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 172 - 23/08/2024 11:29:31    2566410

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Is the below correct or how are the prelim quarters decided ?
3rd Group A v 4th Group B
4th Group A v 3rd Group B
5th Group A v 6th Group B
6th Group A v 5th Group B

Someone else said that it is 3rd v 3rd , 4th v 4th , 5th v 5th and 6th v 6th which can't be right ?"
You're correct - i.e. 3rd Group A v 4th Group B, etc.

3rd v 3rd, 4th v 4th, etc., is incorrect.

Furthermore, the quarter-finals will be the teams who finish top versus winners of one of the 5th v 6th place matches, and teams who finish second versus winners of one of the 3rd v 4th place matches.

Theory is that reward for finishing top of the group is not only avoiding the preliminary quarter-finals altogether, but also having a quarter-final against one of the supposedly "weaker" teams remaining.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2453 - 23/08/2024 12:23:31    2566424

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Is there a pass to see the games this weekend. 11 euro is a bit steep for one game.

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 23/08/2024 13:07:04    2566436

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Is there a pass to see the games this weekend. 11 euro is a bit steep for one game."
€11 to watch vs €10 admission, would cost €22 to watch the double header on Sunday vs €12.50 to go to…fairly ridiculous scheduling times for group A too 4pm, 5:30pm and then the Anne's Gorey game at 6 in the park, why not give people the opportunity to go to all three?

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 132 - 23/08/2024 15:35:28    2566464

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Cloughbawn v shels was dangerous near the end. No flood lights on. Crazy.

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 112 - 23/08/2024 21:33:05    2566500

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "€11 to watch vs €10 admission, would cost €22 to watch the double header on Sunday vs €12.50 to go to…fairly ridiculous scheduling times for group A too 4pm, 5:30pm and then the Anne's Gorey game at 6 in the park, why not give people the opportunity to go to all three?"
I live in Dublin so I don't get down as much as I'd like.

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 24/08/2024 12:22:06    2566539

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Anyone any thoughts on the Richie kehoe incident?

Amazing he got no card.

Brendan Martin booked any hard tackle in the shels cloughbawn game.

Very poor standard of refs in the county imo.

And before someone asks why I don't ref I'm nearly 50 and bad knees lol.

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 112 - 25/08/2024 00:37:25    2566635

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You're correct - i.e. 3rd Group A v 4th Group B, etc.

3rd v 3rd, 4th v 4th, etc., is incorrect.

Furthermore, the quarter-finals will be the teams who finish top versus winners of one of the 5th v 6th place matches, and teams who finish second versus winners of one of the 3rd v 4th place matches.

Theory is that reward for finishing top of the group is not only avoiding the preliminary quarter-finals altogether, but also having a quarter-final against one of the supposedly "weaker" teams remaining."
This whole championship has come from the "Hurling advisory committee" but being from a strong hurling club myself who most members don't agree with the current structure and then from speaking to players from different clubs around who all think it is a Joke of a setup, I can't see it lasting very far past this year.

The rapps could lose the next day and then theoretically win the championship after losing 5 games and winning 4, while the annes could win their next 2 games against gorey and barntown which would be an unbelievable group stage of 5 wins and then lose 1 and be gone.
Make it make sense please.

For anybody who argues against the above I would ask you to find a player or players who think this structure is very good for the competition, because all down through the grades from different clubs all I have found is players giving out and laughing about it.

hurlin101 (Wexford) - Posts: 107 - 25/08/2024 03:47:46    2566642

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Replying To hurlin101:  "This whole championship has come from the "Hurling advisory committee" but being from a strong hurling club myself who most members don't agree with the current structure and then from speaking to players from different clubs around who all think it is a Joke of a setup, I can't see it lasting very far past this year.

The rapps could lose the next day and then theoretically win the championship after losing 5 games and winning 4, while the annes could win their next 2 games against gorey and barntown which would be an unbelievable group stage of 5 wins and then lose 1 and be gone.
Make it make sense please.

For anybody who argues against the above I would ask you to find a player or players who think this structure is very good for the competition, because all down through the grades from different clubs all I have found is players giving out and laughing about it."
Think we will have to give it a chance first and see how the knockout progresses, heard Rapps v Harriers was tame enough and Rapps were down players so there obviously targeting the preliminary and using the format to there advantage. Cloughbawns margin of victory was surprising, Shels seem to have taken foot off gas a bit too. In that side of the group I think only Martins are guaranteed top 2 and any other team could finish almost anywhere. Cloughbawn seem to be hurling with confidence again , Oilgate have been very poor. Harriers are battling away and they need to win next week v Cloughbawn to avoid 5th I think and could also finish 3rd or 4th. Likewise with Cloughbawn I think

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 215 - 25/08/2024 11:52:06    2566658

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Replying To WexMurph:  "Think we will have to give it a chance first and see how the knockout progresses, heard Rapps v Harriers was tame enough and Rapps were down players so there obviously targeting the preliminary and using the format to there advantage. Cloughbawns margin of victory was surprising, Shels seem to have taken foot off gas a bit too. In that side of the group I think only Martins are guaranteed top 2 and any other team could finish almost anywhere. Cloughbawn seem to be hurling with confidence again , Oilgate have been very poor. Harriers are battling away and they need to win next week v Cloughbawn to avoid 5th I think and could also finish 3rd or 4th. Likewise with Cloughbawn I think"
Cloughbawn have all their good players fit and will give the Harriers plenty to think about. Maybe Oylegate's best players are feeling the effects of a long year at this stage. I'm sure none of the teams want to finish 5th or 6th, so there will probably be a little more bite to the next round of games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 25/08/2024 13:53:39    2566671

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Replying To hurlin101:  "This whole championship has come from the "Hurling advisory committee" but being from a strong hurling club myself who most members don't agree with the current structure and then from speaking to players from different clubs around who all think it is a Joke of a setup, I can't see it lasting very far past this year.

The rapps could lose the next day and then theoretically win the championship after losing 5 games and winning 4, while the annes could win their next 2 games against gorey and barntown which would be an unbelievable group stage of 5 wins and then lose 1 and be gone.
Make it make sense please.

For anybody who argues against the above I would ask you to find a player or players who think this structure is very good for the competition, because all down through the grades from different clubs all I have found is players giving out and laughing about it."
I'm from a hurling club myself and we voted against it, based mainly on a canvass of our players that was done by the Players' Rep on our committee ahead of the full committee meeting we always have to decide how the club will vote on such things.

Didn't matter how strongly Adrian Fenlon spoke up for it on the night. Our delegate was mandated to vote against it, and that's what he did.

Have heard several others say they were going to vote against it until Fenlon spoke. To me, this is wrong.

First way it could be wrong would be that the club didn't have a meeting to decide a position and mandate their delegate one way or the other, and instead just went "ah sure, Paddy will decide". Other way would be Paddy was told the club was against it, but then decided to vote the other way on the night anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2453 - 25/08/2024 14:32:08    2566677

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm from a hurling club myself and we voted against it, based mainly on a canvass of our players that was done by the Players' Rep on our committee ahead of the full committee meeting we always have to decide how the club will vote on such things.

Didn't matter how strongly Adrian Fenlon spoke up for it on the night. Our delegate was mandated to vote against it, and that's what he did.

Have heard several others say they were going to vote against it until Fenlon spoke. To me, this is wrong.

First way it could be wrong would be that the club didn't have a meeting to decide a position and mandate their delegate one way or the other, and instead just went "ah sure, Paddy will decide". Other way would be Paddy was told the club was against it, but then decided to vote the other way on the night anyway."
If club said vote a certain way regardless of how well someone spoke it should never be changed if a delegate changed the way a club voted that's 100% wrong .
In saying thar if vote was taken after Fenton spoke it was wrong too any arguments fir or against should ve been voiced to clubs. . That should ve been brought back to club and the club vote as well as any argument against it should have been aired before the night IE A DEBATE .
If firmat kept any team finishing 6th should be out and into relegation final as it stands it looks like a team with 2 wins will finish botton 2 in 1 group . And end up in same situation as a team with possibly no wins totally unacceptable .
1, 2, 3 1/4 final proper 4th and 5th preliminary 1/4 final and be delighted to get 2nd chance no relegation threat
6th relegation final .
Would make More competitive all round .
At present the reward for coming 1st 2nd is 1 guaranteed game less . Where it was sold on more games .
Where format introduced to include more games

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 25/08/2024 15:39:11    2566686

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm from a hurling club myself and we voted against it, based mainly on a canvass of our players that was done by the Players' Rep on our committee ahead of the full committee meeting we always have to decide how the club will vote on such things.

Didn't matter how strongly Adrian Fenlon spoke up for it on the night. Our delegate was mandated to vote against it, and that's what he did.

Have heard several others say they were going to vote against it until Fenlon spoke. To me, this is wrong.

First way it could be wrong would be that the club didn't have a meeting to decide a position and mandate their delegate one way or the other, and instead just went "ah sure, Paddy will decide". Other way would be Paddy was told the club was against it, but then decided to vote the other way on the night anyway."
Would any other democratic vote allow someone to try sway a vote in the room where the vote was taking place . Where people voting were already instructed to vote certain way . Had the hurling advisory board already a fair idea where vote were going through contacts in clubs. And felt they needed to sway the ones that could ve swayed or were given free reign on the night .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 25/08/2024 15:43:54    2566688

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It all boils down to our utter obsession with Kilkenny. Who are going through a famine of All Irelands by their standards. What sort of format do Clare have? Or Limerick?

Then again, society as a whole is mollycoddled so couldn't have poor craturs losing five matches and rightly get relegated.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1441 - 25/08/2024 15:55:54    2566690

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm from a hurling club myself and we voted against it, based mainly on a canvass of our players that was done by the Players' Rep on our committee ahead of the full committee meeting we always have to decide how the club will vote on such things.

Didn't matter how strongly Adrian Fenlon spoke up for it on the night. Our delegate was mandated to vote against it, and that's what he did.

Have heard several others say they were going to vote against it until Fenlon spoke. To me, this is wrong.

First way it could be wrong would be that the club didn't have a meeting to decide a position and mandate their delegate one way or the other, and instead just went "ah sure, Paddy will decide". Other way would be Paddy was told the club was against it, but then decided to vote the other way on the night anyway."
Our club discussed it at Executive level, and consulted the players, most didn't have any opinion for or against the proposal, and those few that did balanced eachother out. The general concensus was that if it got voted in we would see how it worked out in reality.
I got told to listen to the presentation, and arguments for and against, and make up my mind based on this.
I'm actually a little surprised that any club Executive would have made a concrete decision before listening to all the arguments for and against it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 25/08/2024 18:15:00    2566709

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Replying To Formertownie:  "If club said vote a certain way regardless of how well someone spoke it should never be changed if a delegate changed the way a club voted that's 100% wrong .
In saying thar if vote was taken after Fenton spoke it was wrong too any arguments fir or against should ve been voiced to clubs. . That should ve been brought back to club and the club vote as well as any argument against it should have been aired before the night IE A DEBATE .
If firmat kept any team finishing 6th should be out and into relegation final as it stands it looks like a team with 2 wins will finish botton 2 in 1 group . And end up in same situation as a team with possibly no wins totally unacceptable .
1, 2, 3 1/4 final proper 4th and 5th preliminary 1/4 final and be delighted to get 2nd chance no relegation threat
6th relegation final .
Would make More competitive all round .
At present the reward for coming 1st 2nd is 1 guaranteed game less . Where it was sold on more games .
Where format introduced to include more games"
If we win our last game it will be very likely we would finish no higher than 5th, and quite possibly could finish last, with 2 wins.
And that's exactly what happened to Cloughbawn when they ended up relegated under the old system 2 years ago, after beating the team that finished 3rd and from memory finishing level on points with the team that finished 4th. At least under the current system they would have had 2 chances to avoid relegation, not just the one chance they didn't take.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 25/08/2024 18:21:04    2566710

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Replying To beano:  "It all boils down to our utter obsession with Kilkenny. Who are going through a famine of All Irelands by their standards. What sort of format do Clare have? Or Limerick?

Then again, society as a whole is mollycoddled so couldn't have poor craturs losing five matches and rightly get relegated."
Clare have 4 groups of 4. The top teams get seeded apart in the quarter finals, second placed teams are unseeded. 3rd placed teams compete for Senior B championship, while last placed teams are in relegation playoffs. Both the losing teams in these 2 games get relegated.

Limerick have 2 groups of 6, but one group is the top division. The team that finishes top of group 2 get promoted to group 1 the following year. The top 2 in group 1 go straight into the semi finals. The teams finishing 3rd and 4th go into the quarter finals, along with the top 2 teams in group 2. The team that finish last in group 1 get relegated to group 2, and the team that finishes last in group 2 get relegated to Intermediate.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13322 - 25/08/2024 18:32:38    2566713

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Replying To Viking66:  "If we win our last game it will be very likely we would finish no higher than 5th, and quite possibly could finish last, with 2 wins.
And that's exactly what happened to Cloughbawn when they ended up relegated under the old system 2 years ago, after beating the team that finished 3rd and from memory finishing level on points with the team that finished 4th. At least under the current system they would have had 2 chances to avoid relegation, not just the one chance they didn't take."
The argument for can be used against as well .
There is no convincing me that if u finish 6th you deserve to be in relegation final .
I d be more sympathetic to finishing 5th as u end ur season on anti climax . More oft than not 4th and 5th never too far apart . 3rd deserve to be in 1/4 final .
You get 5 chances to win games if you finish bottom there is a reason for it. Your own club has lost lot good players does that mean they should nt be in relegation finsl if they finish bottom or get 2 chances more rather than 1 .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 25/08/2024 19:10:23    2566719

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