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Replying To TomWex: "So because SOD is sooo amazing he should be allowed to take 11 steps before scoring a goal.
Just apply the effing rules farely." Yes if a defender is hanging off his back and pulling the arm in which he holds the ball then why "reward" the defender by giving a free. Not many attackers in Ireland would collect a ball where Shane did and score a goal
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 24/06/2024 16:36:43
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Yes if a defender is hanging off his back and pulling the arm in which he holds the ball then why "reward" the defender by giving a free. Not many attackers in Ireland would collect a ball where Shane did and score a goal" Hanging off his back.. lol... have you seen the Munster chapionship lately??
Thats a free in then my man... and advantage to see if it developes into a score.. but to allow 11 steps....
But I suppose that's just the what's in the rule book.
TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 24/06/2024 17:58:45
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I am caught in 2 minds about it. yes it is a free and we wouldnt complain if a free is given. But if the GAA are really serious about getting rid of cynical tackles this needs to be looked at. By the letter of the law, the drag back is not a black card, but knowing SOD if he rounds his man, there is a strong possibility of a goal chance. This is not applicable to all forwards but with someone of the calibre of SOD, if he gets clear there is a chance of goal. If he gets called for overcarrying in that position you have rewarded the defender. The overcarrying occurred while he was still being fouled, once he got clear he took a touch. However as the rules stand it was a free in to Clare but, its not right that the defender is basically rewarded in that siutation when he is doing the fouling before SOD overcarries." Shane O'Donnell scored one of the greatest goals I have seen in over 60 years viewing at all levels and a point off his knees. To me that is the only topic that merits discussion on this occasion and won't engage in anything that takes from the performance. Will always give respect to any player from any county that enhances the great game.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 24/06/2024 18:08:11
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Yes if a defender is hanging off his back and pulling the arm in which he holds the ball then why "reward" the defender by giving a free. Not many attackers in Ireland would collect a ball where Shane did and score a goal" Overcarrying is not hurling. It's more like rugby actually.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 24/06/2024 18:26:46
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Replying To Cuhullain: "Firstly, can I say that Limerick are reigning All Ireland champions and very worthy of that honor, along with that 5 in a row is without doubt a possibility that's on the cards for them.
Never the less, the semifinal of Limerick v Cork is an all munster game, the semi final of Kilkenny v Clare is a munster and Clare game, straight away the dynamics change, it is an all-Ireland munster semi final that in itself is a Rebel rouser and lets not forget that a short few weeks ago Cork pipped Limerick by a couple of points in a high scoring game, my thinking is after seeing the game neither side wanted to lose while both sides tried their darndest to win, Cork are saying if they could do it then so too can they do it on July 7th.
The other semi between Kilkenny and Clare favors Clare a bit, Clare showed a lot of promise in the Munster final against Limerick losing out by 0-06, it's not a lot in hurling and they have been working on that, admittable they are not up to the same standard as in the days of Davy, Ger and the Sparrow etc. Never the less they are in the all Ireland semi final 2024.
Kilkenny reached the 2023 All Ireland final and fell short by 0-09 at the finish, this year they pipped Wexford by 0-01 they drew with Carlow in all honesty Carlow should / could have beaten them and there was a couple of other unconvincing results they had as well, however they too find themselves in the all-Ireland semi final.
Should Cork pip Limerick in that semi final and I believe they will they will be odd's on favorites to win it out. That said I think I have explained myself reasonably well and why I think Cork will win it out. It could very well be an all Munster final, if that is the case the dynamics will change yet again.
(The greatest field sport in the world.)" Limerick will be certs with bookies to beat Cork. I wonder if Ethan Twomey will return, as he's been out since concussion during the Tipp game. He brings a lot of graft and energy to midfield which has been lacking in last few games.
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 24/06/2024 18:36:32
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Replying To Ryanteam: "Limerick will be certs with bookies to beat Cork. I wonder if Ethan Twomey will return, as he's been out since concussion during the Tipp game. He brings a lot of graft and energy to midfield which has been lacking in last few games." Limerick are 2/5. The handicap is 4 points.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 24/06/2024 21:12:18
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Replying To TomWex: "Hanging off his back.. lol... have you seen the Munster chapionship lately??
Thats a free in then my man... and advantage to see if it developes into a score.. but to allow 11 steps....
But I suppose that's just the what's in the rule book." Ive said all along its a free in. There is no disputing that. What I am saying is that such tackles are worthy of a review by top brass going forward as you are rewarding the defender in this instance if you give a free in. This was proven by SOD scoring a goal once he broke free.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 25/06/2024 08:55:04
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Kilkenny aren't League Champions (Clare are). I agree with you, Kilkenny and Clare is hard to call. The Leinster final win over Dublin, had Kilkenny's strongest 15 to start this year, with plenty of talent on the bench. Unfortunately, the win over Dublin didn't tell us a lot about the team and where they're at moment. Undoubtedly they are a very good team. But I wished they had had a stronger challenge in the Leinster final." I am not bingn facetious when I say this, but KK are much bigger favorites for this game than in either of the last 2 semi finals. KK have been motoring along well and demolished Dublin in the Leinster final. KK are heads and shoulders above anything else in Leinster. We have been far less impressive in Munster this year than the previous 2 years. I am worried about our concession rates, the openness of our defense and the odd brain fart. In every game we have built a lead and let teams back into it bar the Munster final.
I am certainly less confident this year than previous years.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 25/06/2024 09:00:38
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Ive said all along its a free in. There is no disputing that. What I am saying is that such tackles are worthy of a review by top brass going forward as you are rewarding the defender in this instance if you give a free in. This was proven by SOD scoring a goal once he broke free." What happens if the forward doesn't score there though? There's very few intercounty forwards who would've got a goal there. He'd had his 2 catches and had to do it all on the hurl!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 25/06/2024 09:24:03
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Replying To Canuck: "Shane O'Donnell scored one of the greatest goals I have seen in over 60 years viewing at all levels and a point off his knees. To me that is the only topic that merits discussion on this occasion and won't engage in anything that takes from the performance. Will always give respect to any player from any county that enhances the great game." If it was a Cork, Tipp or Kk player it would be referred to as the brilliance to break through the clutches of the desperate defender and score an amazing goal.
I always find it interesting how many posters from counties outside of the top 3 are quick to try and bring each other down. Maybe it's to make one feel better about themselves.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I am not bingn facetious when I say this, but KK are much bigger favorites for this game than in either of the last 2 semi finals. KK have been motoring along well and demolished Dublin in the Leinster final. KK are heads and shoulders above anything else in Leinster. We have been far less impressive in Munster this year than the previous 2 years. I am worried about our concession rates, the openness of our defense and the odd brain fart. In every game we have built a lead and let teams back into it bar the Munster final.
I am certainly less confident this year than previous years." Kilkenny will do damage to Clare's full back line and they will make sure that's Adrian Mullen stays centre forward on Conlon.
Conlons legs are gone and Mullen will have a field day on him.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 804 - 25/06/2024 09:37:14
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I am not bingn facetious when I say this, but KK are much bigger favorites for this game than in either of the last 2 semi finals. KK have been motoring along well and demolished Dublin in the Leinster final. KK are heads and shoulders above anything else in Leinster. We have been far less impressive in Munster this year than the previous 2 years. I am worried about our concession rates, the openness of our defense and the odd brain fart. In every game we have built a lead and let teams back into it bar the Munster final.
I am certainly less confident this year than previous years." Exhibit 1: League Final. Kilkenny were outclassed
Exhibit 2: Kilkenny drew with Carlow
Exhibit 3: Kilkenny barely beat Wexford, whereas Clare (granted with an extra man for 30 mins) beat them handily
Exhibit 4: Clare looked better in QF than they did in 2023 and 2022 when they looked tired
Exhibit 5: TK finally looks like he is motoring
Exhibit 6: Clare have a deeper bench than previous years
Exhibit 7: Dublin were truly awful in Leinster final. So much so that it's very hard to say where Kilkenny are at. And that was by far their best performance all year.
Kilkenny for sure are favourites, mainly because they beat Clare in the last two, but only very slightly
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I am not bingn facetious when I say this, but KK are much bigger favorites for this game than in either of the last 2 semi finals. KK have been motoring along well and demolished Dublin in the Leinster final. KK are heads and shoulders above anything else in Leinster. We have been far less impressive in Munster this year than the previous 2 years. I am worried about our concession rates, the openness of our defense and the odd brain fart. In every game we have built a lead and let teams back into it bar the Munster final.
I am certainly less confident this year than previous years." Two of my biggest bets of last two years have been Cats to beat Clare and shall be wetting my beak again at 10/11 and anything up to 4/5.
They are shorter than they were last two years but still a good thing as you say.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 25/06/2024 09:45:48
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Replying To Yadse: "Exhibit 1: League Final. Kilkenny were outclassed
Exhibit 2: Kilkenny drew with Carlow
Exhibit 3: Kilkenny barely beat Wexford, whereas Clare (granted with an extra man for 30 mins) beat them handily
Exhibit 4: Clare looked better in QF than they did in 2023 and 2022 when they looked tired
Exhibit 5: TK finally looks like he is motoring
Exhibit 6: Clare have a deeper bench than previous years
Exhibit 7: Dublin were truly awful in Leinster final. So much so that it's very hard to say where Kilkenny are at. And that was by far their best performance all year.
Kilkenny for sure are favourites, mainly because they beat Clare in the last two, but only very slightly" Our energy levels were gone in the quarter final of 22 no doubt but I thought we were composed and in truth cruising v Dublin last year, bearly needing to get out of second gear to beat them. I dont think beating KK in the league final will have any bearing on Saturday week although it was nice to get a trophy.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 25/06/2024 10:14:41
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Replying To Viking66: "What happens if the forward doesn't score there though? There's very few intercounty forwards who would've got a goal there. He'd had his 2 catches and had to do it all on the hurl!" I agree Viking, I said as much earlier. There is no easy solution to this. I got scoffed at by another Wexford fella for saying exactly that, that there are very few in Ireland like Shane who would genuinely bury that chance from where he received the ball. I dont really know what the solution is, but all im saying is that if Shane was pulled for overcarrying, overcarrying he could nt avoid as his arm with the ball was being pulled back, then Wexford and MOH were being rewarded for the foul. That doesnt sit well.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 25/06/2024 10:19:38
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I agree Viking, I said as much earlier. There is no easy solution to this. I got scoffed at by another Wexford fella for saying exactly that, that there are very few in Ireland like Shane who would genuinely bury that chance from where he received the ball. I dont really know what the solution is, but all im saying is that if Shane was pulled for overcarrying, overcarrying he could nt avoid as his arm with the ball was being pulled back, then Wexford and MOH were being rewarded for the foul. That doesnt sit well." Should be called back for the free so the forward gets some reward. Like rugby. But unfortunately that's not how the the GAA rule is worded. It needs to be changed.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 25/06/2024 10:42:13
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Replying To Yadse: "Exhibit 1: League Final. Kilkenny were outclassed
Exhibit 2: Kilkenny drew with Carlow
Exhibit 3: Kilkenny barely beat Wexford, whereas Clare (granted with an extra man for 30 mins) beat them handily
Exhibit 4: Clare looked better in QF than they did in 2023 and 2022 when they looked tired
Exhibit 5: TK finally looks like he is motoring
Exhibit 6: Clare have a deeper bench than previous years
Exhibit 7: Dublin were truly awful in Leinster final. So much so that it's very hard to say where Kilkenny are at. And that was by far their best performance all year.
Kilkenny for sure are favourites, mainly because they beat Clare in the last two, but only very slightly" That's some impressive exhibits you've posted there. How many points do you think Clare will win by, 10,15...?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2654 - 25/06/2024 11:19:33
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "That's some impressive exhibits you've posted there. How many points do you think Clare will win by, 10,15...?" Kilkenny by 2.
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 57 - 25/06/2024 12:06:25
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "That's some impressive exhibits you've posted there. How many points do you think Clare will win by, 10,15...?" Dont be so sensative. He ended it by saying KK are slight favorites
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i predicted that lohan would get a bounce out of clare and beat wexford but would come up short again against kilkenny. i'm sticking to that ....kilkenny in croke park are like trying to beat kilkenny in nowlan park a tough ask.its like a home venue to them they love the place...am i right in saying that limerick are the only side to beat kk in croke park in the last 3 yrs.
munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 25/06/2024 12:18:54
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