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Some Updates On The Football Review

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Replying To brianb:  "Yes - limiting it after a single handpass could restrict a scoring possibility where it opens up with a second pass; but whatever number you decide to count to would potentially do that.

I'd assume that the FRC looked at the handpass and decided it was another symptom of the problem rather than the problem."
Referees have to watch out for consecutive hops. If referees were on board with limiting to 2 consecutive hand passes, is that workable? If a players solos, it could reset the sequence because of the foot action.
I hand pass to you and you hand pass to me, all good. I cannot hand pass again without at least a solo.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8416 - 11/12/2024 21:24:44    2583204

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Referees have to watch out for consecutive hops. If referees were on board with limiting to 2 consecutive hand passes, is that workable? If a players solos, it could reset the sequence because of the foot action.
I hand pass to you and you hand pass to me, all good. I cannot hand pass again without at least a solo."
Certainly both suggestions could work - I guess my main point is to keep technical infringements simple and clearly defined.

The handpass limit was trialed a few years back and certainly once we start counting them up it it becomes difficult to track with everything else going on in a game - again maybe it was this feedback that stopped the FRC from looking at it again?

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 370 - 12/12/2024 09:25:14    2583245

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "
Replying To Aibrean:  "MOTION 20: The motion proposes a point is scored when the ball is played over the crossbar between the posts by either team, inside the 40m arc or inside the 20m line. [/I


So, 2 points will be awarded for a 'point' from the corner flag. This also explains why the 40m arc stops at the 20m line.

(It does help to read the rules, from time to time!)."
The corner flag is inside the 20m line."]Sharp observation! What's your point?

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 311 - 03/01/2025 16:52:49    2584456

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Replying To brianb:  "Certainly both suggestions could work - I guess my main point is to keep technical infringements simple and clearly defined.

The handpass limit was trialed a few years back and certainly once we start counting them up it it becomes difficult to track with everything else going on in a game - again maybe it was this feedback that stopped the FRC from looking at it again?"
Yes, a handpass limit was trialled a few years ago in pre-League games and the funny thing is Jim Gavin was in favour of continuing the trial in the League.

The simplest limit would be 'if you receive a handpass you must kick the ball'. This was proposed at some forum or other, but apparently referees objected, leading one wit to declare 'referees can't even count to one!' (We do know that referees are completely lost beyond four!).

While the new rules are welcome, the proliferation of the handpass remains the elephant in the room and I'm hoping that a motion to rename the game 'Gaelic Handball' will emerge shortly; I can think of no reason why such a motion should be opposed.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 311 - 03/01/2025 17:10:03    2584458

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Make no mistake these new rules brought in in such numbers will be the death knell for Gaelic football… Teams will still set up with a defensive mind..How on earth are all these rules going to be enforced or implemented at junior level club football…? Referees are going to pack in the job now…these new rules coupled with revenue swooping on their match fees will leave to them wondering if it's worth the bother any more… This numpty review committee just came up with rules as if every game was played in Croke Park with neutral linesmen and umpires there to help out the referee…. What about the hundreds of games where the ref is totally on his own with no neutral help…? I can see an awful lot of club games postponed because of the non appearance of a referee…… This will lead to players packing in the game and possibly switching to soccer that has changed to the summer season now at non league level…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 03/01/2025 18:19:13    2584466

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Make no mistake these new rules brought in in such numbers will be the death knell for Gaelic football… Teams will still set up with a defensive mind..How on earth are all these rules going to be enforced or implemented at junior level club football…? Referees are going to pack in the job now…these new rules coupled with revenue swooping on their match fees will leave to them wondering if it's worth the bother any more… This numpty review committee just came up with rules as if every game was played in Croke Park with neutral linesmen and umpires there to help out the referee…. What about the hundreds of games where the ref is totally on his own with no neutral help…? I can see an awful lot of club games postponed because of the non appearance of a referee…… This will lead to players packing in the game and possibly switching to soccer that has changed to the summer season now at non league level…"
Your starting the year in an optimistic mood anyway

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1205 - 04/01/2025 05:56:52    2584508

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Your starting the year in an optimistic mood anyway"
No point in starting with your head buried in the sand is there…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 04/01/2025 10:50:25    2584524

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Replying To brianb:  "Certainly both suggestions could work - I guess my main point is to keep technical infringements simple and clearly defined.

The handpass limit was trialed a few years back and certainly once we start counting them up it it becomes difficult to track with everything else going on in a game - again maybe it was this feedback that stopped the FRC from looking at it again?"
I wonder if a ref call of "use it" as in rugby would work in ensuring timely "forward progress" of play?

Say, a three-stage rule -
Divide the pitch in three at the 45s - i.e. behind own 45, between both 45s and a score or wide/after beyond other 45
Each series of unbroken possession limited to 30 seconds at each "stage" before the ball must be advanced to the next stage.
"Unscientific" ref mental clock reset when ball enters new stage (ref gives "use it" call warning at 20 seconds and team must have ball in next stage at 30 seconds (possibly a kick then).
Violation is a loss of possession/free in stage in question (at midfield or relevant 20m line).

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2973 - 04/01/2025 17:01:14    2584612

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Make no mistake these new rules brought in in such numbers will be the death knell for Gaelic football… Teams will still set up with a defensive mind..How on earth are all these rules going to be enforced or implemented at junior level club football…? Referees are going to pack in the job now…these new rules coupled with revenue swooping on their match fees will leave to them wondering if it's worth the bother any more… This numpty review committee just came up with rules as if every game was played in Croke Park with neutral linesmen and umpires there to help out the referee…. What about the hundreds of games where the ref is totally on his own with no neutral help…? I can see an awful lot of club games postponed because of the non appearance of a referee…… This will lead to players packing in the game and possibly switching to soccer that has changed to the summer season now at non league level…"
A golden opportunity was lost to reinvent our national game of gaelic football once and for all that would favor no one county in particular rather it would more than help to level the playing field for all and sundry. Blanket defenses, lateral passing, multiple hand passing, defensive marks, attacking marks etc, etc, etc, was not part of the game 50 ish years ago fact, yet Dublin won multiple provincial Leinster titles and half a dozen Senior All Ireland titles up to 2011.

Over the same period of time Kerry dominated Munster winning multiple provincial titles and a dozen plus All Ireland senior titles. The only major noticeable difference since 2011 along with the way the game is played is that Dublin has continued to rack up more successful Leinster titles but more Senior All Ireland titles than Kerry.

Ulster seems to be an overall better-balanced province; In 2003, '05, '08, 2021 Tyrone made their presence felt when against heavy odds collected four senior All Ireland titles. Armagh's All Ireland success in 2024 was long overdue, the gaa world awaits to see if it's a one off or one of many.?

In my own view all the playing rules attached to the game can be changed at any given time and the only difference that will make is to possibly make the game more attractive and possibly giving us a better reason to go to games, but it will not make it any easier for the so called weaker counties to collect a small bit of silverware any time soon.

NB, There has to be a disconnect between the senior championship, the national football league and the Tailteann Cup, along with that the provincial championship's should be discontinued.

PS. The four divisions in the NFL should be reduced to three.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3084 - 04/01/2025 22:36:25    2584651

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has anyone seen any games under the new rules so far?
I was at the Wexford V TOTY game in castletown on the 29th. Thoughts it was a free flowing game. There wasn't a single attempt at the 2 pointer. the solo and go thing was great for speeding up the game. i dont know how the referee in a club game will manage the 3 men rule - you need linesmen to do this. the other rules seemed to be straight forward enough - there was one instance of a backpass to the keeper. Anyone at any more games or have any thoughts?

bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 47 - 14/01/2025 10:43:02    2585819

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