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Replying To kingdom_come: "Derry v Mayo game just now. Mayo had the ball, hooter went Mayo kept playing and lost the ball Derry counterattacked, they lost the ball Mayo picked it up and scored a goal I think its great. The fans have to learn that the game isn't over until the ball goes dead, but I think finishing off the play that is in progress makes complete sense. How many times has a team been behind by 2 points and attacking when the ref blows it up." Yes but in that game it didn't matter…. It would when only one or two points were between the teams… No point in having a hooter to end the game and then playing on… You cannot have a hooter in place and use the rugger way of ending a game…Is it rugby or Gaelic football…? ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3678 - 16/03/2025 23:56:22 2596830 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "But the free does not have to be kicked, tap and go" If the referee allows the tap and go fine. Sometimes they don't. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8638 - 17/03/2025 07:55:55 2596845 Link
Replying To omahant: "I am curious to see if Morgan, Rafferty etc will continue to roam into the attack, or if the 4th player back will cause them to pivot. I suppose I'd want a 45-65 only in open play, with a 20-40 (or 20-45) allowed at kick out." In the Tyrone Donegal match, Tyrones tactical use of Morgan outfield give Tyrone an advantage over Donegal and probably was the winning of the game. All Donegal kickouts Morgan pushed up and took up a right half back position just behind the half way line, This allowed Tyrone to press up and cut out any space for Donegal kickouts making it a 50 50 contest which Tyrone came out on Top. On 50% Tyrone attacks, Tyrone kept 4 outfield defenders in their own half, 3 markers and 1 sweeper and pushed Morgan up to keep the ball moving in the Donegal half of the pitch. Tyrone sweeper was able to focus completely on intercepting play or Doubling up on runners or dangermen behind him on Donegal attacks while Morgan just had to focus on getting back to nets when Donegal turned Tyrone over. Donegal has 1 chance to chip Morgan but Doherty scored a point from 35m. Chances of chipping the keeper out of nets from 30 to 40m is still very unlikely and probably worth the risk of using the keeper outfield. Tirchonailabu56 (Donegal) - Posts: 34 - 17/03/2025 10:31:28 2596867 Link
Replying To Tirchonailabu56: "In the Tyrone Donegal match, Tyrones tactical use of Morgan outfield give Tyrone an advantage over Donegal and probably was the winning of the game. All Donegal kickouts Morgan pushed up and took up a right half back position just behind the half way line, This allowed Tyrone to press up and cut out any space for Donegal kickouts making it a 50 50 contest which Tyrone came out on Top. On 50% Tyrone attacks, Tyrone kept 4 outfield defenders in their own half, 3 markers and 1 sweeper and pushed Morgan up to keep the ball moving in the Donegal half of the pitch. Tyrone sweeper was able to focus completely on intercepting play or Doubling up on runners or dangermen behind him on Donegal attacks while Morgan just had to focus on getting back to nets when Donegal turned Tyrone over. Donegal has 1 chance to chip Morgan but Doherty scored a point from 35m. Chances of chipping the keeper out of nets from 30 to 40m is still very unlikely and probably worth the risk of using the keeper outfield." Tyrone were very clever in how they did it - doesnt say much for the defenders skills though when your coach thinks the keeper is better out the field than you. If you a footballing keeper, you can play an extra man marker. Armagh dropped their keeper altogether rather than try the same - got well beaten too. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1288 - 18/03/2025 11:41:58 2597011 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Yes but in that game it didn't matter…. It would when only one or two points were between the teams… No point in having a hooter to end the game and then playing on… You cannot have a hooter in place and use the rugger way of ending a game…Is it rugby or Gaelic football…?" Allowing the game play out after the hooter doesn't make it rugby. Allowing a load of pulling and dragging and having everyone going up the field (and retreating back the field) on mass, passing the ball over and back the field - like we had the last few years, is more like rugby. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1288 - 18/03/2025 11:44:01 2597013 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "If the referee allows the tap and go fine. Sometimes they don't." The ref can't decide "to allow or not allow" - he must follow the rule book. Under "current" rules, my understanding is: Ref blows for free; team has choice to tap-n-go or not; play continues until the ball is dead, out of bound following a score, wide or over sideline. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 18/03/2025 12:54:17 2597043 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Yes but in that game it didn't matter…. It would when only one or two points were between the teams… No point in having a hooter to end the game and then playing on… You cannot have a hooter in place and use the rugger way of ending a game…Is it rugby or Gaelic football…?" It can be gaelic with a rugby-style ending - it's like you are saying: you can't have '3 up/4 back' because it's a spin on the 'foreign game' offside; or why allow both codes to use rectangular fields. Daft stuff. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 18/03/2025 13:00:17 2597046 Link
@Tirchonailabu56 (Donegal) - Posts: 34 - 17/03/2025 All fascinating stuff - makes me even more excited about the tactical options that can be deployed in "new football". Based on what you wrote, maybe I'm won over to allowing the roaming keeper, rather than traditional keep position. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 18/03/2025 13:10:02 2597051 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Allowing the game play out after the hooter doesn't make it rugby. Allowing a load of pulling and dragging and having everyone going up the field (and retreating back the field) on mass, passing the ball over and back the field - like we had the last few years, is more like rugby." Very funny, haha - but so true ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 18/03/2025 13:12:42 2597054 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Allowing the game play out after the hooter doesn't make it rugby. Allowing a load of pulling and dragging and having everyone going up the field (and retreating back the field) on mass, passing the ball over and back the field - like we had the last few years, is more like rugby." The game should end when the hooter sounds .. no need for the rugger bugger ending… That was only introduced to cover up for bad refereeing in Mullingar… Putting passes back out beyond the arc for someone to have a 2pt shot is another take on rugby… same as trying to set up a drop at goal… GAA (football) slowly but steadily losing its identity..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3678 - 18/03/2025 13:13:54 2597056 Link
Could we still have 4-2-1 for Championship, as currently, Arcs are overvalued v goal? Still would like scores shown as GAT (goals, arcs, total - eliminates all the calculations and streamlines by 'not having' 1-pointers broken out). omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 18/03/2025 13:25:00 2597060 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Allowing the game play out after the hooter doesn't make it rugby. Allowing a load of pulling and dragging and having everyone going up the field (and retreating back the field) on mass, passing the ball over and back the field - like we had the last few years, is more like rugby." Well said. brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 28 - 18/03/2025 13:57:33 2597069 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "The game should end when the hooter sounds .. no need for the rugger bugger ending… That was only introduced to cover up for bad refereeing in Mullingar… Putting passes back out beyond the arc for someone to have a 2pt shot is another take on rugby… same as trying to set up a drop at goal… GAA (football) slowly but steadily losing its identity..!" By the same token as what you say about passing back outside the arc for somebody to try a two-pointer: Putting a pass into the box for somebody to try for a goal, instead of taking a handy single point yourself, is a take on soccer. Boo! Hiss! Shame! Let's do away with goals! We don't need anything that's even remotely like something from a foreign game! Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2799 - 18/03/2025 14:57:37 2597080 Link
Replying To omahant: "Could we still have 4-2-1 for Championship, as currently, Arcs are overvalued v goal? Still would like scores shown as GAT (goals, arcs, total - eliminates all the calculations and streamlines by 'not having' 1-pointers broken out)." Not sure how you figure that writing scorelines like that would eliminate the need for calculations. For example, Dublin's 2-19 against Galway the other night would be written 2-1-25. It would just be a different type of calculation: "two times three is six, plus one times two is eight, and 25 minus eight is 17". Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2799 - 18/03/2025 16:27:30 2597104 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "By the same token as what you say about passing back outside the arc for somebody to try a two-pointer: Putting a pass into the box for somebody to try for a goal, instead of taking a handy single point yourself, is a take on soccer. Boo! Hiss! Shame! Let's do away with goals! We don't need anything that's even remotely like something from a foreign game!" The 2 pointers have virtually done away with goals anyway….. kicking the ball out to end the game, tap and go , setting up 2 point shots and don't start me on this nonsense of handing the ball back to the opponent like a child are all taken from the rugger boys… 2 players standing like statues on the sideline while the ball is thrown in is more nonsense… The game has been diluted too much.. Put an 'a' after the F and an 'E' at the end and you get a true word to describe this football committee…! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3678 - 18/03/2025 17:00:15 2597113 Link
@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2766 - 18/03/2025 16:27:30 All important 25 is provided (no calculation). Calculating the 17 is secondary - only necessary if one desires to know - so you prefer unwieldy GAPT to shorter GAT? omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 18/03/2025 17:34:55 2597119 Link
Seems to be a bit of lobbying around scrapping two point frees. Would that encourage more fouling outside the arc? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8638 - 19/03/2025 10:22:09 2597208 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Seems to be a bit of lobbying around scrapping two point frees. Would that encourage more fouling outside the arc?" That's the main reason they kept tge 2 points free. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2180 - 19/03/2025 11:31:30 2597222 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Seems to be a bit of lobbying around scrapping two point frees. Would that encourage more fouling outside the arc?" If the penalty is only one point, it could lead to more 'basketball-style' tactical fouling late in the game. While two points is a bit much, it contributed to a cleaner game despite Jim McG comments at the weekend that it's an easy score worth 66% of a goal. That last point is the strongest - maybe we go back to 4-2-1 for Championship - but does this cheapen the one-pointer? Maybe I prefer 3-1.5-1, with the decimal dropped for the 'odd Arc' (one Arc 1 pt; pair 3 pts) as this scale would produce scores a little over the traditional level. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3166 - 19/03/2025 12:29:16 2597243 Link
Replying To omahant: "@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2766 - 18/03/2025 16:27:30 All important 25 is provided (no calculation). Calculating the 17 is secondary - only necessary if one desires to know - so you prefer unwieldy GAPT to shorter GAT?" As I'm sure I've said to you before, you're some man to make things complicated. There's no need for anything other than what I presume you'd refer to as GP. So again taking that Dublin v Galway match as an example, all you need is 2-19 to 2-13. Not 2-1-25 to 2-1-19. And not 2-1-17-25 to 2-1-11-19. You seem to have a penchant for suggesting things "the American way", but take a leaf out of their book as regards basketball, for example. If a basketball team scores six three-pointers in a match, thirty 'ordinary' baskets worth two points each, and fifteen from free throws, you just write their score as 93. Not 6-30-15. And not 6-30-15-93. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2799 - 20/03/2025 00:35:19 2597400 Link