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Replying To oneoff: "So why should it effect football games? If it was the other way around and the football Feile was in a county who wanted to move hurling championship games would Wexford etc be so supportive?" Would Joe Mc Donagh cup semi finals take precedent over football quarter finals? I seriously doubt it.
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Replying To eoinog: " Replying To Pikeman96: "Wexford didn't want the Tailteann Cup semi-finals taken out of Croke Park.
What we asked for was just that the hurling quarter-finals be played on Sunday instead. There was nothing in our request about the venue." Croke Park had given a commitment to televise the hurling All Ireland quarter finals. They equally had given the same commitment to the semi Finals of the Tailteann Cup plus they were fixed months ago for Croke Park.. Therein lies the problem. Was it fair to flip the games to accommodate Wexford request, I think the answer is No. Is it fair to Wexford that they are hosting the All Ireland Feile and lots of people are going too miss the game as a result. Absolutely not. The problem is that the fixtures are a mess. There's not a minute that's not accounted for once the championship starts and this is suffocating the life out of the games. Thankfully people have stayed away and with so much apathy out there I believe there will be changes next year. All the counties involved are getting treated poorly with Wexford obviously the worst affected."
I was just making the point that contrary to what the other poster said, Wexford did not ask for the TC semi-finals to be taken out of Croke Park.
If it wasn't for TV commitments, all could have gone ahead on Sunday - the football in Croke Park that day, and the hurling in Thurles. But because of TV commitments, what we thought most likely would be football in Croke Park on Saturday, and hurling in Thurles on Sunday. Point remains that neither of those things would have involved taking the football out of Croke Park.
Now, I can acknowledge that switching the football to the Saturday would also have been unfair to some people in Sligo, Down, Antrim, and Laois, who may not have been able to go to Croke Park on the Saturday, but who could go on the Sunday all right.
But I'd wager that number is nowhere near what's literally a couple of thousand Wexford people who are bound by Féile, as either players, parents or other family members of players, mentors, volunteers, match officials, etc.
These are all people with an obvious love of hurling. But basically, they're all being told 'not only can you not go to see your county team play their biggest game of the year so far, but chances are you won't even be able to watch it on TV'.
To me, that's hugely unfair, and much more so than asking the football teams and supporters from those other counties to travel to Croke Park on Saturday rather than Sunday would have been. Particularly as they'd only just qualified for Croke Park that weekend anyway, so it's not as though any of them already had arrangements re. travel or accommodation or anything else.
Anyway, what's done is done. Best of luck to Sligo. Was actually up there last year for our Football League match in Markievicz Park - was my first time there, and it certainly deserves its reputation as one of the most scenic grounds in the country.
Have to say though I'd hate to be watching a match from the front row of the stand there, where the seats are dug out to a couple of feet below the level of the pitch!!
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Replying To Bon: "Would Joe Mc Donagh cup semi finals take precedent over football quarter finals? I seriously doubt it." Well I'd be very surprised if the people who keep calling for better promotion of hurling would be very vocal about the McDonagh Cup.
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Replying To Pikeman96: " Replying To eoinog: "[quote=Pikeman96: "Wexford didn't want the Tailteann Cup semi-finals taken out of Croke Park.
What we asked for was just that the hurling quarter-finals be played on Sunday instead. There was nothing in our request about the venue." Croke Park had given a commitment to televise the hurling All Ireland quarter finals. They equally had given the same commitment to the semi Finals of the Tailteann Cup plus they were fixed months ago for Croke Park.. Therein lies the problem. Was it fair to flip the games to accommodate Wexford request, I think the answer is No. Is it fair to Wexford that they are hosting the All Ireland Feile and lots of people are going too miss the game as a result. Absolutely not. The problem is that the fixtures are a mess. There's not a minute that's not accounted for once the championship starts and this is suffocating the life out of the games. Thankfully people have stayed away and with so much apathy out there I believe there will be changes next year. All the counties involved are getting treated poorly with Wexford obviously the worst affected."
I was just making the point that contrary to what the other poster said, Wexford did not ask for the TC semi-finals to be taken out of Croke Park.
If it wasn't for TV commitments, all could have gone ahead on Sunday - the football in Croke Park that day, and the hurling in Thurles. But because of TV commitments, what we thought most likely would be football in Croke Park on Saturday, and hurling in Thurles on Sunday. Point remains that neither of those things would have involved taking the football out of Croke Park.
Now, I can acknowledge that switching the football to the Saturday would also have been unfair to some people in Sligo, Down, Antrim, and Laois, who may not have been able to go to Croke Park on the Saturday, but who could go on the Sunday all right.
But I'd wager that number is nowhere near what's literally a couple of thousand Wexford people who are bound by Féile, as either players, parents or other family members of players, mentors, volunteers, match officials, etc.
These are all people with an obvious love of hurling. But basically, they're all being told 'not only can you not go to see your county team play their biggest game of the year so far, but chances are you won't even be able to watch it on TV'.
To me, that's hugely unfair, and much more so than asking the football teams and supporters from those other counties to travel to Croke Park on Saturday rather than Sunday would have been. Particularly as they'd only just qualified for Croke Park that weekend anyway, so it's not as though any of them already had arrangements re. travel or accommodation or anything else.
Anyway, what's done is done. Best of luck to Sligo. Was actually up there last year for our Football League match in Markievicz Park - was my first time there, and it certainly deserves its reputation as one of the most scenic grounds in the country.
Have to say though I'd hate to be watching a match from the front row of the stand there, where the seats are dug out to a couple of feet below the level of the pitch!!"]That was my mistake.
However your post here is basically who cases about the TC.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1462 - 19/06/2024 13:08:37
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@oneoff - I genuinely have no idea how any reasonable person could infer that my post basically says 'who cares about the Tailteann Cup?'.
I acknowledge that going to Croke Park is a big deal for all involved, and that it would have been unfair on some of them if they couldn't go on Saturday for some reason, but would have been able to go on Sunday all right.
I'm just suggesting however that there's probably a larger number of Wexford people who are unable to go to the hurling because of how things weren't changed, and making it much more unfair again is the fact that they probably won't even be able to watch on TV, because of how Féile is structured throughout the entire day.
That's a long way from 'who cares about the Tailteann Cup?'. For what it's worth, I think it's a very worthwhile competition myself, and I'd love it if Wexford were still involved, or if we managed to go further in it next year. With all due respect, I think you've picked this one up very wrongly too.
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Replying To oneoff: "Well I'd be very surprised if the people who keep calling for better promotion of hurling would be very vocal about the McDonagh Cup." I think the football crowd would kick up though if they were overlooked
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@oneoff - I genuinely have no idea how any reasonable person could infer that my post basically says 'who cares about the Tailteann Cup?'.
I acknowledge that going to Croke Park is a big deal for all involved, and that it would have been unfair on some of them if they couldn't go on Saturday for some reason, but would have been able to go on Sunday all right.
I'm just suggesting however that there's probably a larger number of Wexford people who are unable to go to the hurling because of how things weren't changed, and making it much more unfair again is the fact that they probably won't even be able to watch on TV, because of how Féile is structured throughout the entire day.
That's a long way from 'who cares about the Tailteann Cup?'. For what it's worth, I think it's a very worthwhile competition myself, and I'd love it if Wexford were still involved, or if we managed to go further in it next year. With all due respect, I think you've picked this one up very wrongly too." But you're saying because there's likely to be less fans there's no issues with changing it are you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1462 - 19/06/2024 15:20:37
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But you're saying because there's likely to be less fans there's no issues with changing it are you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1411 - 19/06/2024 15:20:37
Again, I fail to see how any reasonable person could infer that.
Yes, I'm saying it's likely there would be less people affected by changing the TC semi-finals from Sunday to Saturday, than the estimated 2,500 or more Wexford people affected by how Féile takes place the same day as the hurling quarter-finals.
But that doesn't mean there would be no issues with changing the day of the football. It just means it wouldn't have been an issue for as many people.
And even the football supporters who could travel Sunday but not Saturday could probably still arrange things to at least be able to watch their match on TV. The people tied up in Féile, for the large part, won't even be able to do that. That too means that switching the football would have been less of an issue. Not that it would have been no issue.
Do you understand now?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2435 - 19/06/2024 16:02:32
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Replying To Pikeman96: "But you're saying because there's likely to be less fans there's no issues with changing it are you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1411 - 19/06/2024 15:20:37
Again, I fail to see how any reasonable person could infer that.
Yes, I'm saying it's likely there would be less people affected by changing the TC semi-finals from Sunday to Saturday, than the estimated 2,500 or more Wexford people affected by how Féile takes place the same day as the hurling quarter-finals.
But that doesn't mean there would be no issues with changing the day of the football. It just means it wouldn't have been an issue for as many people.
And even the football supporters who could travel Sunday but not Saturday could probably still arrange things to at least be able to watch their match on TV. The people tied up in Féile, for the large part, won't even be able to do that. That too means that switching the football would have been less of an issue. Not that it would have been no issue.
Do you understand now?" All I see is you wanting football to be changed as it effects you and not caring if it effects fans from the counties involved. In fact now you're suggesting that they could just watch it on TV if they weren't happy.
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Wexford supporters might be better off at the feile
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Also if you were dropped on earth and read the posts from wexford posters you would be under the assumption that they were the kingpins of hurling. Ffs they haven't been in a final for nearly 30 yrs, they have 6 Al's one more than their footballers and 30 less than Kilkenny
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Replying To oneoff: " Replying To Pikeman96: "But you're saying because there's likely to be less fans there's no issues with changing it are you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1411 - 19/06/2024 15:20:37
Again, I fail to see how any reasonable person could infer that.
Yes, I'm saying it's likely there would be less people affected by changing the TC semi-finals from Sunday to Saturday, than the estimated 2,500 or more Wexford people affected by how Féile takes place the same day as the hurling quarter-finals.
But that doesn't mean there would be no issues with changing the day of the football. It just means it wouldn't have been an issue for as many people.
And even the football supporters who could travel Sunday but not Saturday could probably still arrange things to at least be able to watch their match on TV. The people tied up in Féile, for the large part, won't even be able to do that. That too means that switching the football would have been less of an issue. Not that it would have been no issue.
Do you understand now?" All I see is you wanting football to be changed as it effects you and not caring if it effects fans from the counties involved. In fact now you're suggesting that they could just watch it on TV if they weren't happy."
I haven't even said that I personally wanted things changed. To be quite honest, makes little difference to me, as my own club is not involved in Féile and I can travel to Thurles early on Saturday anyway. I was merely explaining why Wexford made the request in the first place.
More importantly, the only reason I got involved in the discussion in the first place was to correct your wildly inaccurate claim that "Wexford wanted the Tailteann Cup semi-finals taken out of Croke Park".
If you paid more attention to what was going on in the first place, you wouldn't have made that statement, I wouldn't have become involved, and this tiresome roundabout of still having to try explain things s....l....o....w....l....y to you wouldn't be taking place.
I'm done with it. Good day.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2435 - 20/06/2024 09:44:30
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Replying To Pikeman96: " Replying To oneoff: "[quote=Pikeman96: "But you're saying because there's likely to be less fans there's no issues with changing it are you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1411 - 19/06/2024 15:20:37
Again, I fail to see how any reasonable person could infer that.
Yes, I'm saying it's likely there would be less people affected by changing the TC semi-finals from Sunday to Saturday, than the estimated 2,500 or more Wexford people affected by how Féile takes place the same day as the hurling quarter-finals.
But that doesn't mean there would be no issues with changing the day of the football. It just means it wouldn't have been an issue for as many people.
And even the football supporters who could travel Sunday but not Saturday could probably still arrange things to at least be able to watch their match on TV. The people tied up in Féile, for the large part, won't even be able to do that. That too means that switching the football would have been less of an issue. Not that it would have been no issue.
Do you understand now?" All I see is you wanting football to be changed as it effects you and not caring if it effects fans from the counties involved. In fact now you're suggesting that they could just watch it on TV if they weren't happy."
I haven't even said that I personally wanted things changed. To be quite honest, makes little difference to me, as my own club is not involved in Féile and I can travel to Thurles early on Saturday anyway. I was merely explaining why Wexford made the request in the first place.
More importantly, the only reason I got involved in the discussion in the first place was to correct your wildly inaccurate claim that "Wexford wanted the Tailteann Cup semi-finals taken out of Croke Park".
If you paid more attention to what was going on in the first place, you wouldn't have made that statement, I wouldn't have become involved, and this tiresome roundabout of still having to try explain things s....l....o....w....l....y to you wouldn't be taking place.
I'm done with it. Good day."]And I said I made a mistake did i not?
You on the other hand have have said that fans of the teams in the TC don't matter as there won't be that many of them. You've also said as thr semi finals where only last week most of them probably hadn't made any arrangements so moving it shouldn't matter to them. Did you not?
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You on the other hand have have said that fans of the teams in the TC don't matter as there won't be that many of them. You've also said as thr semi finals where only last week most of them probably hadn't made any arrangements so moving it shouldn't matter to them. Did you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1414 - 20/06/2024 19:28:29
Despite myself and my better intentions, here I am to answer you again.
First let me suggest that to save us both any further trouble going forward, you this time consider what I actually say, and not what you only think I'm saying.
First - you claim 'fans of teams in the TC don't matter as there won't be that many of them'.
Not true. Again, what I suggested was that a switch in the days would probably have discommoded fewer TC football fans, than not switching the date has discommoded thousands of people in the Wexford hurling community. Not that it wouldn't have affected any, and not that they don't matter. It may have been the lesser of two evils, but even using that statement shows I acknowledge it would still have been an evil for some.
Second - 'probably hadn't made any arrangements so moving it shouldn't have mattered to them'.
Partly true. The fact that the four counties involved had only qualified for the semi-finals last weekend means by definition that none of the teams or supporters had any pre-existing arrangements for Dublin this weekend. A change would of course still have mattered to some, but not as much as if there were hotels booked or train tickets bought with a view to the match being on a different day.
You seem to have a real problem in differentiating between 'not as much' and 'not at all'.
This time, I really am done. Go and have the last word if you want it. Am sure it'll be as wrong as everything else you've posted here since here.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2435 - 20/06/2024 23:57:27
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Antrim were motoring well before the Laois goal. Antrim will have to regroup at half-time like they did against Fermanagh.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 23/06/2024 14:47:47
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Fair play to Laois. It took them a while to get going in the second half but they had an excellent final quarter.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "You on the other hand have have said that fans of the teams in the TC don't matter as there won't be that many of them. You've also said as thr semi finals where only last week most of them probably hadn't made any arrangements so moving it shouldn't matter to them. Did you not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1414 - 20/06/2024 19:28:29
Despite myself and my better intentions, here I am to answer you again.
First let me suggest that to save us both any further trouble going forward, you this time consider what I actually say, and not what you only think I'm saying.
First - you claim 'fans of teams in the TC don't matter as there won't be that many of them'.
Not true. Again, what I suggested was that a switch in the days would probably have discommoded fewer TC football fans, than not switching the date has discommoded thousands of people in the Wexford hurling community. Not that it wouldn't have affected any, and not that they don't matter. It may have been the lesser of two evils, but even using that statement shows I acknowledge it would still have been an evil for some.
Second - 'probably hadn't made any arrangements so moving it shouldn't have mattered to them'.
Partly true. The fact that the four counties involved had only qualified for the semi-finals last weekend means by definition that none of the teams or supporters had any pre-existing arrangements for Dublin this weekend. A change would of course still have mattered to some, but not as much as if there were hotels booked or train tickets bought with a view to the match being on a different day.
You seem to have a real problem in differentiating between 'not as much' and 'not at all'.
This time, I really am done. Go and have the last word if you want it. Am sure it'll be as wrong as everything else you've posted here since here." You keep telling yourself you're not looking down on the TC and football all you want if it makes you happy. But we all know you hurling folk think the world should stop to make the self proclaimed "Greatest game in the world" happy.
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Replying To legendzxix: "Fair play to Laois. It took them a while to get going in the second half but they had an excellent final quarter." Fair Play to them, but this stuff is hard watch.
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Great game with Down and Sligo
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 23/06/2024 17:44:24
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10,000 people at the semi finals. Just should wind up the competition and go back to the drawing board
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 194 - 23/06/2024 18:20:08
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