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Does Ulster Championship Benefit Ulster Teams?

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Its easy pick stats to suit an argument.How about this one and it's fact.The only Ulster team to win an All Ireland in the last 15 years is Donegal.Fact!The only Leinster team to win an All Ireland in the last 15 years are Dublin (9 in fairness).Fact!.No Connaught team has won the All Ireland in the last 15 years (altho Mayo very unlucky)Fact! and finally two Munster counties have won the All Ireland in the last 15 years (both Kerry and Cork).Fact!So there you have it Munster are the only province to have two winners over the last 15 years."
Mick, why are you ignoring Tyrone's All Ireland win in 2021 in your FACTS??!

HeadButter (Monaghan) - Posts: 294 - 20/05/2024 21:31:40    2546008

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Its easy pick stats to suit an argument.How about this one and it's fact.The only Ulster team to win an All Ireland in the last 15 years is Donegal.Fact!The only Leinster team to win an All Ireland in the last 15 years are Dublin (9 in fairness).Fact!.No Connaught team has won the All Ireland in the last 15 years (altho Mayo very unlucky)Fact! and finally two Munster counties have won the All Ireland in the last 15 years (both Kerry and Cork).Fact!So there you have it Munster are the only province to have two winners over the last 15 years."
What about Tyrone in 2021 ?

Jimmymark2 (Donegal) - Posts: 3 - 20/05/2024 21:49:10    2546018

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Its easy pick stats to suit an argument.How about this one and it's fact.The only Ulster team to win an All Ireland in the last 15 years is Donegal.Fact!The only Leinster team to win an All Ireland in the last 15 years are Dublin (9 in fairness).Fact!.No Connaught team has won the All Ireland in the last 15 years (altho Mayo very unlucky)Fact! and finally two Munster counties have won the All Ireland in the last 15 years (both Kerry and Cork).Fact!So there you have it Munster are the only province to have two winners over the last 15 years."
I could have swore we won the All Ireland in 2021?

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 922 - 21/05/2024 08:52:22    2546041

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Replying To oneoff:  "Nice stat. Don't sound has good though if you say 2 in the last 15 years does it?"
which would be 2 of the last 5 counties....

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 228 - 21/05/2024 09:50:39    2546063

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Replying To shaggykev:  "CiarraiMick has forgotten that Tyrone won the All Ireland in 2021. Fact!"
You are right Shaggykev.Im made a balls of that.Fact!Sorry Tyrone.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 21/05/2024 10:46:56    2546084

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Replying To HeadButter:  "Mick, why are you ignoring Tyrone's All Ireland win in 2021 in your FACTS??!"
Totally forgot Headbutter.I must be trying to blank out they beat us in semi before beating Mayo in final.Made a big error there.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 21/05/2024 10:49:23    2546086

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Replying To Jimmymark2:  "What about Tyrone in 2021 ?"
Yes Jimmy I made a mistake.I was too quick tyring to defend Munster.Tyrone indeed did win in 2021.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 21/05/2024 10:50:37    2546087

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Replying To Wally:  "I could have swore we won the All Ireland in 2021?"
Sorry Wally.My mistake .Of course Tyrone won in 21 playing brilliant football.On Tyrone congratulations on the Under 20 victory.Tyrone were far better than Kerry.They have some super players and young McElholm at centre forward is just class.Future looking bright for Tyrone.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 21/05/2024 10:53:19    2546089

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Replying To joeteor:  "which would be 2 of the last 5 counties...."
Ya but you're trying to make it sound better than it actually is are you not?

If you're going to much that stat Ulster are level with Munster and supposed weakest province.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 21/05/2024 13:06:24    2546137

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Replying To oneoff:  "Ya but you're trying to make it sound better than it actually is are you not?

If you're going to much that stat Ulster are level with Munster and supposed weakest province."
I'm just pointing out that beyond Kery and Dublin, Ulster counties have had the widest raging success over the last 20/30 years which some seem to dismiss.

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 228 - 22/05/2024 09:33:11    2546302

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The game this weekend between Donegal and Tyrone will be interesting. Will the 4 week rest help Tyrone to prepare better and get players back or will the momentum from winning Ulster carry Donegal through. Winning the ulster championship probably doesn't help in the quest for an All Ireland as you pick up injuries and eventually run out of gas but its a really great competition to win.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1903 - 22/05/2024 10:21:11    2546316

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8 out of the 9 Ulster teams have made an All Ireland Semi final this century and 4 have made a final and 3 different winners.

Armagh winners 02 winners, 03 finalist
Derry made semis last few years
Down 10 Final
Donegal 12 winners, 14 final
Fermanagh 04 Semi
Tyrone 03,05,08,21, beaten finalists to Dublin 18
Cavan 20 semi final
Monaghan made two semi finals

Only Antrim not done it yet but have won All Ireland clubs in that time.

Derry very capable of winning an All Ireland, Tyrone once again looking like being a force in next decade with under 20s coming through and Donegal threatening to be back at big table again.

To the original question. Does Ulster Championship Benefit Ulster Teams?
Probably not but anyone dismissing Ulster as a competitive competition full of teams not quite up to the levels of the very best teams are being a little disingenuous. It is probably akin to the Premier league before they got too much money. Those teams had to peak against each other more often and seemed to get caught out in Europe by Real Madrid (Kerry), Barcelona (Dublin), Atletico Madrid (Mayo) who weren't as taxed domestically each week.

shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 286 - 22/05/2024 11:05:21    2546337

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Replying To joeteor:  "I'm just pointing out that beyond Kery and Dublin, Ulster counties have had the widest raging success over the last 20/30 years which some seem to dismiss."
Pay no attention to yer man. All he does is post anti Ulster rants while claiming to be from the UK without a county to his name. Who knows what his issues are but they manifest as petty point scoring shots against Ulster counties nine times out of ten on here.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 22/05/2024 11:19:54    2546347

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Pay no attention to yer man. All he does is post anti Ulster rants while claiming to be from the UK without a county to his name. Who knows what his issues are but they manifest as petty point scoring shots against Ulster counties nine times out of ten on here."
Explain what was "anti Ulster" in what I said?

The "anti Ulster" card being played anything you don't agree with something, even when it's an actual fact, is getting boring now.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 22/05/2024 11:51:20    2546359

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Replying To oneoff:  "Explain what was "anti Ulster" in what I said?

The "anti Ulster" card being played anything you don't agree with something, even when it's an actual fact, is getting boring now."
It's your only form of communication on here. It's there for all to see just like your last few posts on this thread, zero credit to anything Ulster counties have achieved as if the rest of the country outside of Kerry and Dublin have done any better. No point in me stating anything more obvious than that. Pot/kettle when you say 'boring' at this stage.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 22/05/2024 12:37:07    2546373

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "It's your only form of communication on here. It's there for all to see just like your last few posts on this thread, zero credit to anything Ulster counties have achieved as if the rest of the country outside of Kerry and Dublin have done any better. No point in me stating anything more obvious than that. Pot/kettle when you say 'boring' at this stage."
Like your only form of communication is everyone who disagrees with me is anti Ulster? Btw I post a lot about anything other than Ulster. Now how about you answer the question I asked you?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 22/05/2024 13:34:36    2546388

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Replying To oneoff:  "Like your only form of communication is everyone who disagrees with me is anti Ulster? Btw I post a lot about anything other than Ulster. Now how about you answer the question I asked you?"
Not the case with me at all. I'll happily take on board differing opinions. The problem I have is when I see the same poster making the same blankets comments about the same counties, even when they achieved something. I already answered your question too. You are arguing with facts that other posters have made about Ulster teams. Maybe you can explain why...

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 22/05/2024 14:05:04    2546404

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The Ulster teams just are not very good. They are also miles off it tactically - Derry and Armagh are coached by men who are either comically past it or have shown that they will never arrive anywhere. The Ulster championship gets a lot of coverage early in the season because they are going at it hammer and tongs - not much football going on - very early in the year, and they get exposed when they finish their little skirmishes.

Tyrone were the worst All Ireland winners of all time. Kieran McGeary player of the year - has he been seen since? Mayo cleared the road for them by toppling the Dubs and they didn't have it in them to close a soft deal.

crankyincorofin (Galway) - Posts: 98 - 22/05/2024 14:12:24    2546406

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Not the case with me at all. I'll happily take on board differing opinions. The problem I have is when I see the same poster making the same blankets comments about the same counties, even when they achieved something. I already answered your question too. You are arguing with facts that other posters have made about Ulster teams. Maybe you can explain why..."
Yes and I also stated a fact did I not? So again answer the question I asked you?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 22/05/2024 15:06:06    2546425

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Replying To crankyincorofin:  "The Ulster teams just are not very good. They are also miles off it tactically - Derry and Armagh are coached by men who are either comically past it or have shown that they will never arrive anywhere. The Ulster championship gets a lot of coverage early in the season because they are going at it hammer and tongs - not much football going on - very early in the year, and they get exposed when they finish their little skirmishes.

Tyrone were the worst All Ireland winners of all time. Kieran McGeary player of the year - has he been seen since? Mayo cleared the road for them by toppling the Dubs and they didn't have it in them to close a soft deal."
Is that not a bit rich as Galway one an AI 23 years ago and have only played in 1 AI final since then. Considering Tyrone have been in 5 finals (winning 4 of them), Donegal winning one and Armagh winning once since Galway one their last AI.

If ulster teams are not that good then they must still be significantly better than Galway given they have played in more recent AI finals and actually one the AI more recently than Galway have.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 280 - 22/05/2024 15:49:48    2546432

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