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Replying To Pikeman96:  "@Square_B - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in.

But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."
It's up to the person putting forward an argument / making a point to provide the source. It's not up to me or anyone else to so that, just so we're all clear on that.

Anyhow back to the point, IF it turns out to be the case that everyone is being treated equally financially (and I say IF as there's nothing that I can see which suggests they will), the GAA will need to take a good long hard look at itself because it clearly won't be possible without new, annual, funding streams. Some resources are already paid for by the GAA with the benefit shared with the LGFA (for example GPO's at underage boys & girls). Clearly this is why integration has to be discussed with the details to be ironed out.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1511 - 01/09/2025 14:07:34    2634495

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "@Square_B - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in.

But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."
Where has it been said that integration will lead to ladies intercounty teams getting the same as men, rather than being linked to income through turnstiles? The u20s and minors currently don't get the same as our Senior intercounty team as it is for that reason. Likewise when we entered a Junior adult intercounty team they didnt get the same resources either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 01/09/2025 14:57:09    2634505

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Replying To Square_B:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "<b>@Square_B</b> - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in. But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."</div>It's up to the person putting forward an argument / making a point to provide the source. It's not up to me or anyone else to so that, just so we're all clear on that. Anyhow back to the point, IF it turns out to be the case that everyone is being treated equally financially (and I say IF as there's nothing that I can see which suggests they will), the GAA will need to take a good long hard look at itself because it clearly won't be possible without new, annual, funding streams. Some resources are already paid for by the GAA with the benefit shared with the LGFA (for example GPO's at underage boys & girls). Clearly this is why integration has to be discussed with the details to be ironed out."
In fairness, he was hardly putting forward an argument or making a point. He was just commenting on something that was in the news that day, but which you apparently hadn't seen in the news.

If I was to post somewhere on this forum that "Ballygunner came close to defeat yesterday, and needed two late goals to win the match", would you expect me to post a link to a match report in order to provide evidence of what I said?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3109 - 01/09/2025 16:55:18    2634524

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "<b>@Square_B</b> - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in. But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."</div>Where has it been said that integration will lead to ladies intercounty teams getting the same as men, rather than being linked to income through turnstiles? The u20s and minors currently don't get the same as our Senior intercounty team as it is for that reason. Likewise when we entered a Junior adult intercounty team they didnt get the same resources either."
I didn't say it's been said that women's teams will get the same as men's. I said there's a widespread perception out there that expects it to happen.

With all due respect, you must be aware of the complaints that arise from time to time from the Camogie/LGFA end of things, about how it's "unfair" that the men's teams get extra by way of things like mileage expenses, better meals after training and matches, overnight stays for longer trips to away matches, playing gear, and more. The expectation or aspiration of call-it-what-you-want is that such things would become more equal after integration.

Of course GAA minor and U20 teams don't get the same as the seniors, but that's beside the point. More the point is that the expectation would be for camogie/LGFA underage teams to get the same as the corresponding GAA underage team.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3109 - 01/09/2025 17:02:03    2634525

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "
Replying To Square_B:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "<b>@Square_B</b> - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in. But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."</div>It's up to the person putting forward an argument / making a point to provide the source. It's not up to me or anyone else to so that, just so we're all clear on that. Anyhow back to the point, IF it turns out to be the case that everyone is being treated equally financially (and I say IF as there's nothing that I can see which suggests they will), the GAA will need to take a good long hard look at itself because it clearly won't be possible without new, annual, funding streams. Some resources are already paid for by the GAA with the benefit shared with the LGFA (for example GPO's at underage boys & girls). Clearly this is why integration has to be discussed with the details to be ironed out."
In fairness, he was hardly putting forward an argument or making a point. He was just commenting on something that was in the news that day, but which you apparently hadn't seen in the news.

If I was to post somewhere on this forum that "Ballygunner came close to defeat yesterday, and needed two late goals to win the match", would you expect me to post a link to a match report in order to provide evidence of what I said?"]"GAA president claims integration will cost over €500m. Will the government fund this?"

Person makes a point. Do you normally argue black is white much?

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1511 - 01/09/2025 23:01:30    2634554

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "<b>@Square_B</b> - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in. But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."</div>Where has it been said that integration will lead to ladies intercounty teams getting the same as men, rather than being linked to income through turnstiles? The u20s and minors currently don't get the same as our Senior intercounty team as it is for that reason. Likewise when we entered a Junior adult intercounty team they didnt get the same resources either."
I didn't say it's been said that women's teams will get the same as men's. I said there's a widespread perception out there that expects it to happen.

With all due respect, you must be aware of the complaints that arise from time to time from the Camogie/LGFA end of things, about how it's "unfair" that the men's teams get extra by way of things like mileage expenses, better meals after training and matches, overnight stays for longer trips to away matches, playing gear, and more. The expectation or aspiration of call-it-what-you-want is that such things would become more equal after integration.

Of course GAA minor and U20 teams don't get the same as the seniors, but that's beside the point. More the point is that the expectation would be for camogie/LGFA underage teams to get the same as the corresponding GAA underage team."]That perception is not that widespread. I haven't come across it yet.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 02/09/2025 06:57:11    2634560

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Replying To Square_B:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "[quote=Square_B:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "<b>@Square_B</b> - with all due respect, you have Google yourself, and it's a great tool for finding information on anything you might be interested in. But leaving that aside - let's just say your last line goes to the nub of the entire matter. There's a widespread perception that integration would mean that women's inter-county squads would get all the same things as the men's. But there hasn't been a single decent proposal as to where all the funding would come from to meet these extra costs."</div>It's up to the person putting forward an argument / making a point to provide the source. It's not up to me or anyone else to so that, just so we're all clear on that. Anyhow back to the point, IF it turns out to be the case that everyone is being treated equally financially (and I say IF as there's nothing that I can see which suggests they will), the GAA will need to take a good long hard look at itself because it clearly won't be possible without new, annual, funding streams. Some resources are already paid for by the GAA with the benefit shared with the LGFA (for example GPO's at underage boys & girls). Clearly this is why integration has to be discussed with the details to be ironed out."
In fairness, he was hardly putting forward an argument or making a point. He was just commenting on something that was in the news that day, but which you apparently hadn't seen in the news.

If I was to post somewhere on this forum that "Ballygunner came close to defeat yesterday, and needed two late goals to win the match", would you expect me to post a link to a match report in order to provide evidence of what I said?"]"GAA president claims integration will cost over €500m. Will the government fund this?"

Person makes a point. Do you normally argue black is white much?"]Noone knows for sure what integration will cost. At best Jarleth Burns made an educated guess. And didnt put a time period to that guess either. Of course it's likely to cost money. But staying as we are is still going to cost money also. Every year costs rise for all 3 seperate organisations.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 02/09/2025 10:42:39    2634573

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This integration will sink the GAA and imo is a terrible idea.

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 19 - 02/09/2025 11:16:53    2634583

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "This integration will sink the GAA and imo is a terrible idea."
Personally I don't mind my unpaid work benefitting my daughters as well as my sons.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 02/09/2025 13:25:11    2634609

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Replying To Viking66:  "Personally I don't mind my unpaid work benefitting my daughters as well as my sons."
Sure it can benefit them via the camogie assocation or lgfa as it stands.

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 19 - 02/09/2025 15:39:43    2634630

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@Viking66 - I'm genuinely surprised if you're unaware of an expectation (or at least an aspiration) that female inter-county players will eventually have all the same benefits as male.

The GPA itself is one of the more vocal and high-profile advocates in this regard, and their #UnitedForEquality campaign has been ongoing since 2022. Even the current charter for inter-county female players, which brought some improvements for them, is seen as just a step along the way.

Extract from their most recent annual report (with my emphasis in bold in certain places):
2024 was the first year of the Squad Charter for LGFA and Camogie players, introduced on the back of their #UnitedForEquality action in calling for minimum standards. The Charter serves to ensure that ALL players have a suitable training and playing environment, and reimbursement for the expenses they incur through their inter-county activity. Enhanced funding for teams was provided by the LGFA and Camogie Association, with financial support from the GAA, to support the delivery of the Charter. While the GPA continues to advocate for equal treatment for female players, the female Charter has established a solid foundation from which to progress in the years ahead.

Key points:
1 - The GAA is already part-funding the improved benefits for LGFA and camogie players.
2 - If their benefits are to continue to improve, more GAA revenue will have to go that way too, unless LGFA & Camogie bring in extra income of their own. And to date, there's been no significant proposals from them on how they might do so.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3109 - 02/09/2025 15:41:23    2634631

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Sure it can benefit them via the camogie assocation or lgfa as it stands."
I'm not a member of either association.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 02/09/2025 18:08:25    2634644

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "@Viking66 - I'm genuinely surprised if you're unaware of an expectation (or at least an aspiration) that female inter-county players will eventually have all the same benefits as male.

The GPA itself is one of the more vocal and high-profile advocates in this regard, and their #UnitedForEquality campaign has been ongoing since 2022. Even the current charter for inter-county female players, which brought some improvements for them, is seen as just a step along the way.

Extract from their most recent annual report (with my emphasis in bold in certain places):
2024 was the first year of the Squad Charter for LGFA and Camogie players, introduced on the back of their #UnitedForEquality action in calling for minimum standards. The Charter serves to ensure that ALL players have a suitable training and playing environment, and reimbursement for the expenses they incur through their inter-county activity. Enhanced funding for teams was provided by the LGFA and Camogie Association, with financial support from the GAA, to support the delivery of the Charter. While the GPA continues to advocate for equal treatment for female players, the female Charter has established a solid foundation from which to progress in the years ahead.

Key points:
1 - The GAA is already part-funding the improved benefits for LGFA and camogie players.
2 - If their benefits are to continue to improve, more GAA revenue will have to go that way too, unless LGFA & Camogie bring in extra income of their own. And to date, there's been no significant proposals from them on how they might do so."
I think the key word there is "eventually". I think the point has already been made to the GPA that parity is dependent on income. As regards player expenses these are a very small percentage of our intercoynty mens teams spend, and should be equal for both men and women.
Medical fees and meals constitute the biggest spends.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 02/09/2025 18:16:32    2634647

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "This integration will sink the GAA and imo is a terrible idea."
Such complete and utter nonsense. This is the sort of dribble that definitely will encourage the likes of Mary McAleese et al to make it work.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1511 - 02/09/2025 19:42:00    2634667

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Replying To Kew:  "GAA president claims integration will cost over €500m. Will the government fund this?"
A bit of reading for you.....
Claims integration will cost €500m 'nonsense' - Molloy https://share.google/eN4cCSW48klUi6i9h

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17075 - 02/09/2025 21:20:13    2634674

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "This integration will sink the GAA and imo is a terrible idea."
Why would it sink the GAA and why is it terrible?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3826 - 03/09/2025 18:43:06    2634800

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