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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Open draw (sort of) for Semis.
The old rota thing is gone."
100% ? The lads on the GAA podcast just said if derry and dublin both win their province, top there groups and win their QF then they meet in the semis

Whestofthewest (Clare) - Posts: 146 - 02/04/2024 13:41:46    2535183

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giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1217 - 02/04/2024 14:45:44    2535195

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Replying To Whestofthewest:  "100% ? The lads on the GAA podcast just said if derry and dublin both win their province, top there groups and win their QF then they meet in the semis"
We could still get second so!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7316 - 02/04/2024 15:06:44    2535199

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Replying To Whestofthewest:  "100% ? The lads on the GAA podcast just said if derry and dublin both win their province, top there groups and win their QF then they meet in the semis"
No it will be an open draw at each stage like last year, they scrapped that whole Ulster vs Leinster or Connacht vs Munster pre determined All Ireland semi. It will just be a draw at semi final stage

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 188 - 02/04/2024 15:11:16    2535201

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Joe Brolly was in attendance Sunday.Its not too long ago he said he would nt watch Derry play live with Mickey Harte as manager lol.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3643 - 02/04/2024 22:53:54    2535290

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Joe Brolly was in attendance Sunday.Its not too long ago he said he would nt watch Derry play live with Mickey Harte as manager lol."
Joe Brolly makes a lot of sense in what he says - sometimes, maybe more than sometimes. Other times he lets his feelings run away with him. He doesn't like Mr Harte's football, or at least he didn't. There is something intangible about our native games that keeps sucking you back in despite everything. That's the real beauty of them no matter how well or how badly they are played or which county they are played in. We in the "weaker" counties avidly watch and enjoy the stronger county teams play and just as avidly go to watch our local championships. Hope springs eternal, but for some it is a forlorn hope, unfortunately.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 981 - 03/04/2024 00:24:09    2535302

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Big shout out to everyone who thinks Gaelic football needs to make drastic changes."
Yeah but I don't buy into the narrative that this is the first game that proves that. For years now we have had cracking games a lot of which involved Mayo. The entertainment value in Gaelic Football is down to tactics used and a there are no rule changes that will prevent a team from playing puke football. I do believe that over the last few years the pendulum has swung back to more attacking football but that has nothing to do with any rule changes. Even our own county in D4 go out to play an attacking game.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1798 - 03/04/2024 02:15:05    2535307

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Replying To zinny:  "Yeah but I don't buy into the narrative that this is the first game that proves that. For years now we have had cracking games a lot of which involved Mayo. The entertainment value in Gaelic Football is down to tactics used and a there are no rule changes that will prevent a team from playing puke football. I do believe that over the last few years the pendulum has swung back to more attacking football but that has nothing to do with any rule changes. Even our own county in D4 go out to play an attacking game."
Nonsense. Of course the rules of a sport impact what style a team plays with.
Changing the back pass rule in soccer hugely impacted their sport for the better.

The majority of games are plagued by boring keep ball tactics and blanket defenses. The biggest indictment of the state of gaelic football now is how quiet the crowd are at most games nowadays compared to years ago.
The fact that the GAA have set up a committee to tackle this shows many GAA officials are finally getting their heads out of the sand about this.

Keep ball tactics/ blanket defenses have come about because of increased fitness levels and the change in the refereeing of the game over the years to favour the man in possession (it is very difficult to dispossess/ stop the man in possession with a tackle, tacklers got away with far more years ago).

Some meaningful and realistic rule changes to tackle the games issues I've heard being discussed are based around the following
1. Limiting handpassing.
2. Confining a certain no. of players to certain areas of pitch (I think this could be the basis of a good idea once it is limited to position on pitch for kickouts rather than when game is flowing)
3. Bring in an Aussie Rules type tackle to give the tackling player more of a option to dispossess/ stop the player in possession.

Any of the above could seriously curtail the ability of a team to put a blanket defense in place or play keep ball.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1329 - 03/04/2024 09:57:34    2535331

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Replying To zinny:  "Yeah but I don't buy into the narrative that this is the first game that proves that. For years now we have had cracking games a lot of which involved Mayo. The entertainment value in Gaelic Football is down to tactics used and a there are no rule changes that will prevent a team from playing puke football. I do believe that over the last few years the pendulum has swung back to more attacking football but that has nothing to do with any rule changes. Even our own county in D4 go out to play an attacking game."
I have been defending our games on here for years. Semi finals and finals have been super games more often than not in the past 10 years. That is due to excellent teams on the same level going toe to toe. The championship structure is the big problem, not our game.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7872 - 03/04/2024 09:59:03    2535332

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I have been defending our games on here for years. Semi finals and finals have been super games more often than not in the past 10 years. That is due to excellent teams on the same level going toe to toe. The championship structure is the big problem, not our game."
Personally I'd say on other topics I have seen you posting you have been arguing against rule changes to try to impede blanket defenses/ keep ball tactics rather than defending the game itself.

In fairness on another topic you said you managed a team to an intermediate county title last year and, defending modern coaching, said you had to play keep ball tactics in all matches last year because every team you faced played very defensively.

Obviously every team you played should have been a similar standard (they all played in same grade) yet this was the case.

Is the above not an argument that the issues with the game are not about teams of very different standard playing each other but that we need rule changes to stop the modern trend of blanket defenses/ keep ball tactics?

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1329 - 04/04/2024 10:52:27    2535530

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Personally I'd say on other topics I have seen you posting you have been arguing against rule changes to try to impede blanket defenses/ keep ball tactics rather than defending the game itself.

In fairness on another topic you said you managed a team to an intermediate county title last year and, defending modern coaching, said you had to play keep ball tactics in all matches last year because every team you faced played very defensively.

Obviously every team you played should have been a similar standard (they all played in same grade) yet this was the case.

Is the above not an argument that the issues with the game are not about teams of very different standard playing each other but that we need rule changes to stop the modern trend of blanket defenses/ keep ball tactics?"
It depends on the rule changes being proposed. Some of the stuff posted on here is just daft and not thought through properly.

And to go back to your point my own team last year were in the top 3 at intermediate. We played against one of the other favourites in the group stages and another in the quarter finals. Both of those games were absolute belters and the shackles were off. Brilliant games. Then in the semi final and final we played teams who did very well to get to that stage and they parked the bus and hung in there. I still believe a proper restructuring of the season where every game matters and teams are on a similar level will lead to very few boring matches.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7872 - 04/04/2024 11:36:41    2535560

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It depends on the rule changes being proposed. Some of the stuff posted on here is just daft and not thought through properly.

And to go back to your point my own team last year were in the top 3 at intermediate. We played against one of the other favourites in the group stages and another in the quarter finals. Both of those games were absolute belters and the shackles were off. Brilliant games. Then in the semi final and final we played teams who did very well to get to that stage and they parked the bus and hung in there. I still believe a proper restructuring of the season where every game matters and teams are on a similar level will lead to very few boring matches."
Great stuff, so the intermediate championship games you coached in involving the top 3 teams could potentially be good games but the rest were always going to automatically be bad games.
If only you had a 3 team intermediate competition it might have been a great competition!.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1329 - 04/04/2024 12:36:01    2535582

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Great stuff, so the intermediate championship games you coached in involving the top 3 teams could potentially be good games but the rest were always going to automatically be bad games.
If only you had a 3 team intermediate competition it might have been a great competition!."
To be honest the standard was poor last year in our club championship. But my point still stands on the restructuring at inter county level. The league games show what can happen if teams on the same level are playing each other more often.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7872 - 04/04/2024 13:02:42    2535591

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "To be honest the standard was poor last year in our club championship. But my point still stands on the restructuring at inter county level. The league games show what can happen if teams on the same level are playing each other more often."
Usually the way things stand teams will more often than not play defensively.
If at least one team in a match decides to play defensively we will end up having a boring blanket/ possession style game.

Why?, because under the current rule book in most games if one team plays defensively and the opponent plays open football the team that's plays defensively will stifle the the opponents attacking game and and the team playing positive football will be more prone to being opened up when the other team tries to hit them on the counter.

We need rule changes which change this calculation.

I think most current managers/ coaches will have a natural adversion to the game moving back to being a more open game and less of a 'defensive systems' game as they have got used to coaching in a certain way and they would precieve (probably correctly) this would diminish the role of managers/ coaches of football teams (particularly at adult club level).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1329 - 04/04/2024 14:18:01    2535613

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