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Replying To Pikeman96:  "As I started to read it, I assumed it was from somebody from one of the Division 1 counties.

Then I saw it came from Sligo. And I laughed."
And likely laughed some more after that:-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12387 - 31/01/2024 11:54:09    2523466

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "It looks a very tight division this year. Laois leitrim wexford I think will be the strongest, with carlow longford and tipp close behind, with London a potential banana skin for a few, waterford football seems to be in big trouble which is sad to see its not that long ago they won promotion and were unlucky to be demoted but since then its been a steady decline.

Laois vs wexford this weekend with the winner going favorites for promotion, carlow play waterford and leitrim play London and you would expect two good wins for the home teams, longford vs tipp in the last fixture is a huge game with the loser likely out of the hunt for promotion even at this early stage."
If we did beat Laois on Saturday we're in a good position but still alot of tough assignments left with away games v Leitrim, yourselves and Tipp, I'd say in all likelihood yourselves and Leitrim will be 2 from 2 by Sunday evening so will be in a position to build on.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 31/01/2024 12:19:37    2523479

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We will be no where near top 2.
Christie has come in and ruined what little we had.
Between having his favourites and falling out and dropping some of our best young players, he has destroyed the senior team.
But we also have to blame the county board with destroying our championships, which in turn filters into the county team.
We have lads from Intermediate clubs who in any other county would be Junior or Junior B teams.
We have 3 lads who are from Killashee who could not field a team in the senior championship 2 years ago and last year got relegated to Division 3 of the county league!
We have another lad from a team who in 1 game last year conceded something like 11-19 (yes, eleven goals) in 1 Senior Championship game!!!
The team that beat them that day does not even have 1 player on the panel!!!
We will be lucky to get anything against Waterford or London unfortunately.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1238 - 31/01/2024 12:25:56    2523481

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Div 4 is a dog fight. The teams with the best defence will get promoted. If I was a betting man my money would be on Laois and Wexford to go up. I'd probably have carlow and Longford ahead of Leitrim in the pecking order!!

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 295 - 31/01/2024 13:02:58    2523490

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I would be in favor of getting rid of Div4 and creating D3a and b splitting the teams into each group based on the previous years rankings i.e. making sure that it doesn't get lobsided. I believe it would be a better way to promote the game and bring up the standard across the counties in the two divisions. All the teams in the two divisions unless you win or get to the provincial final will be in the Tailteann together anyway. There may be a difference between the top of 3 and bottom of 4 but there is a lot in between where there is little difference. I might allow teams to build without the worry of demotion or promotion until they are good enough to challenge to go up.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1806 - 31/01/2024 13:15:00    2523491

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "Div 4 is a dog fight. The teams with the best defence will get promoted. If I was a betting man my money would be on Laois and Wexford to go up. I'd probably have carlow and Longford ahead of Leitrim in the pecking order!!"
Laois are not as good as people think and will drop points trust me. Wexford will go well as will Leitrim and Longford. Wexford and Leitrim to go up

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 343 - 31/01/2024 13:32:30    2523496

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Jes yer touching ;() very serious people ,fyi I think sligo are a d4 team ,just no room at the inn this year ;()

Timmy86 (Sligo) - Posts: 274 - 31/01/2024 13:45:13    2523499

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Replying To Spinx:  "We will be no where near top 2.
Christie has come in and ruined what little we had.
Between having his favourites and falling out and dropping some of our best young players, he has destroyed the senior team.
But we also have to blame the county board with destroying our championships, which in turn filters into the county team.
We have lads from Intermediate clubs who in any other county would be Junior or Junior B teams.
We have 3 lads who are from Killashee who could not field a team in the senior championship 2 years ago and last year got relegated to Division 3 of the county league!
We have another lad from a team who in 1 game last year conceded something like 11-19 (yes, eleven goals) in 1 Senior Championship game!!!
The team that beat them that day does not even have 1 player on the panel!!!
We will be lucky to get anything against Waterford or London unfortunately."
County football involves a lot of commitment. You are belittling players who have committed to Longford in 2024. While they might not be the top players in the county, they are the best that are available right now. There are reasons why other players have not committed.
Just because a player does not come from a top senior team, that does not negate against them performing at a high level. While their clubs have hit hard times and unfortunately are unable to compete at a high level for one reason or another, if a player from that club is deemed good enough to compete at county level, they should be applauded.
While I understand that the next example is maybe a once off or whatever, Take Fossa in Kerry who were competing at Junior level for years. Nobody ever heard of them and certainly did not compete for honours at Junior level until the Cliffords arrived on the scene and raised the bar in the club. They are two gifted players. If what you are saying with Longford is true, then surely with Kerry's tradition they should not be trawling the Junior ranks for players. (Fossa were junior when they arrived on the scene)

I agree that Christie has brought nothing to the table but we are stuck with him for this season at least. . If these players you are talking about did not answer the call, then we might not be able to field a team at County level. These players deserve credit and also their clubs for neutering their talents

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 278 - 31/01/2024 14:01:13    2523506

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Replying To Timmy86:  "Jes yer touching ;() very serious people ,fyi I think sligo are a d4 team ,just no room at the inn this year ;()"
You are just not funny Timmy. In fact slightly inappropriate. So expect a kick back
Anyway we all love our County ... Good bad or indifferent

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 707 - 31/01/2024 14:31:11    2523511

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Replying To zinny:  "I would be in favor of getting rid of Div4 and creating D3a and b splitting the teams into each group based on the previous years rankings i.e. making sure that it doesn't get lobsided. I believe it would be a better way to promote the game and bring up the standard across the counties in the two divisions. All the teams in the two divisions unless you win or get to the provincial final will be in the Tailteann together anyway. There may be a difference between the top of 3 and bottom of 4 but there is a lot in between where there is little difference. I might allow teams to build without the worry of demotion or promotion until they are good enough to challenge to go up."
Not a bad idea

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12387 - 31/01/2024 15:00:40    2523516

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Replying To zinny:  "I would be in favor of getting rid of Div4 and creating D3a and b splitting the teams into each group based on the previous years rankings i.e. making sure that it doesn't get lobsided. I believe it would be a better way to promote the game and bring up the standard across the counties in the two divisions. All the teams in the two divisions unless you win or get to the provincial final will be in the Tailteann together anyway. There may be a difference between the top of 3 and bottom of 4 but there is a lot in between where there is little difference. I might allow teams to build without the worry of demotion or promotion until they are good enough to challenge to go up."
Have to say that having a Division 3A and 3B, with teams split according to how they finished the previous year so that things don't get lopsided, sounds a lot like having a Div. 3 and a Div. 4 to me... ??!!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2282 - 31/01/2024 15:13:06    2523521

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have to say that having a Division 3A and 3B, with teams split according to how they finished the previous year so that things don't get lopsided, sounds a lot like having a Div. 3 and a Div. 4 to me... ??!!"
Think he meant splitting them alternately Pikeman. Say 7th in div2 into next year's 3a. 8th in div2 into 3b. 3rd in div3 into 3b. 4th in div3 into 3a. 5th in div3 into 3a. 6th in div3 into 3b. 7th in div 3 into 3b. 8th into 3a. 1st in div4 into 3a. 2nd into 3b. 3rd into 3b. 4th into 3a. 5th into 3a. 6th into 3b. 7th into 3b. 8th into 3a. With whoever finishes 1st and 2nd in div3 being promoted into div2 as usual.
And then from then on whoever finishes 1st in 3a and 3b would go up to div2, with the bottom 2 going into 3a and 3b.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12387 - 31/01/2024 17:23:45    2523559

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have to say that having a Division 3A and 3B, with teams split according to how they finished the previous year so that things don't get lopsided, sounds a lot like having a Div. 3 and a Div. 4 to me... ??!!"
Correct Pikeman. The term 'splitting the wings of flies' comes to mind. Semantics - 3 and 4 by another name

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 511 - 31/01/2024 22:28:39    2523595

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Replying To Passer_By:  "Correct Pikeman. The term 'splitting the wings of flies' comes to mind. Semantics - 3 and 4 by another name"
Seems that you and Viking are seeing the opposite sides of this coin!

I do of course realise that the idea was to split them in some sort of manner like the one suggested by Viking. But it's still the case that splitting teams into two divisions based on how they finished they previous year is exactly how this year's Divisions 3 and 4 were formed. :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2282 - 31/01/2024 23:21:41    2523600

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think he meant splitting them alternately Pikeman. Say 7th in div2 into next year's 3a. 8th in div2 into 3b. 3rd in div3 into 3b. 4th in div3 into 3a. 5th in div3 into 3a. 6th in div3 into 3b. 7th in div 3 into 3b. 8th into 3a. 1st in div4 into 3a. 2nd into 3b. 3rd into 3b. 4th into 3a. 5th into 3a. 6th into 3b. 7th into 3b. 8th into 3a. With whoever finishes 1st and 2nd in div3 being promoted into div2 as usual.
And then from then on whoever finishes 1st in 3a and 3b would go up to div2, with the bottom 2 going into 3a and 3b."
Exactly - it cannot be an open draw from year to year otherwise you could end up with the bottom 4 in a and b in the one group the following year. Bar the demoted teams, the next six in an open draw and the next 8 in an open draw.
Strangely enough they are going back to the 1,2,3,4 format in 2025 for hurling to breath new life back into the league - which really means the top teams.. The problem for hurling was I remember one year when it was all Leinster + one Munster county so it was rerun in the Championship. I wonder what ever happened to the argument that the weaker teams need to have more games against the bigger teams. I don't see how having a D4 is going to liven up the league!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1806 - 01/02/2024 09:15:36    2523619

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Replying To zinny:  "Exactly - it cannot be an open draw from year to year otherwise you could end up with the bottom 4 in a and b in the one group the following year. Bar the demoted teams, the next six in an open draw and the next 8 in an open draw.
Strangely enough they are going back to the 1,2,3,4 format in 2025 for hurling to breath new life back into the league - which really means the top teams.. The problem for hurling was I remember one year when it was all Leinster + one Munster county so it was rerun in the Championship. I wonder what ever happened to the argument that the weaker teams need to have more games against the bigger teams. I don't see how having a D4 is going to liven up the league!"
Leaving all joking aside about splitting the wings of files or anything else, think the League is a bit like the U21 club championships here in Wexford, in that all sorts of things have been tried over the years but the fact that things change again a few years later shows that no system is perfect.

Looking back in the record books, I see it was split into Div. 1 North, Div. 1 South, Div. 2 North and Div. 2 South as far back as the late 1970s.

Other times, it was Divisions 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B, before reverting back again a few years later to a straightforward Division 1 to 4.

There was a particularly strange one in the 90s:
- Wexford were in Div. 3 in 1996/97
- The following year, they were in something called 'Section C', where opponents included Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone
- And then a year later, they were in a Div. 2B

I like the straightforward Div. 1 to 4 structure myself, but each to their own.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2282 - 01/02/2024 13:38:45    2523671

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The format i liked back in the day ie 70s/80s was the quarter finals that captured the 4 divisions
Top 4 in Div 1
Top 2 in Div 2
Top team Div3
Top team Div 4
Making 8 in quarter finals , looking at a crystal ball using that format this years quarter finals could be
Derry v Laois
Kerry v Down
Mayo v Armagh
Dublin v Donegal

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 683 - 01/02/2024 15:54:06    2523700

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Seeing as we are talking about structure, I'd have 3 divisions 10 team division 1 home and away 12 team division 2 same as and 10 team division 3.

The league is our best competition, we should expand it. Run it throughout the season top team in 2 and 3 automatically promoted with 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th going into a playoff for the second spot. That would keep it competitive throughout it also allows for a slow start to the league. Weekly games so lower training load.
No division 1 league final, the top team are league champions
Bottom team in 1 and 2 automatically demoted with 2nd and 3rd in a relegation final.

Go back to our traditional knockout championship

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1603 - 01/02/2024 20:19:34    2523749

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Strong Wexford team named hope they do well Saturday night. Best of luck to the lads!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12387 - 01/02/2024 23:14:33    2523778

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No points for right answers
And we don't want to replicate the great prediction thread on here
However this week I am going for
Carlow
Wexford
Tipperary
Leitrim
All to win

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 707 - 02/02/2024 15:01:18    2523871

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