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Bit of a difference, munster hurling group of 5 teams, 2 football competitions with 16 and 17 teams, alot more meaningless games 24 matches to eliminate 4 teams. Groups are for Louis Walsh and Top of the Pops macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1139 - 10/06/2024 23:19:05 2550703 Link 0 |
Did you ever hear the saying " Two wrongs don't make a right "….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 10/06/2024 23:45:16 2550705 Link 0 |
Better chance of explaining to a class of infants, than to some of the dimwits on this forum. Most major sporting competitions throughout the world have round robin qualifying to the latter knockout stages. Many with different criteria. Our present system was driven by the players wishes. They are the most important stakeholders. And I am not going to spend time explaining what that means to the child from Cavan. All I will say as a supporter of a team that made it to the semi final last year,it was a fun journey from Derry to Clones to Omagh to Tullamore and two trips to Croke Park and believe me our lads gave it all in every game.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 11/06/2024 00:23:09 2550709 Link 1 |
The Andy Dufresne All Ireland Championship.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7564 - 11/06/2024 01:10:43 2550711 Link 0 |
A rubbish system that the GAA will dispense with as they can see clearly the supporters are not interested… Teams qualifying after not winning any of their 4 previous championship games is nothing short of farcical…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 11/06/2024 11:31:53 2550759 Link 0 |
What should be the format then?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3624 - 11/06/2024 11:44:16 2550763 Link 0 |
I'd say there will a much lower attendance than expected at Breffni Park Sunday , whatever fee Monaghon bring in hearing Meath will bring very few they brought around 1500 to inniskeen a few weeks ago where Louth brought 5,000 in d say if Meath bring 1,000 fans Sunday it will be the top . I'd say you could be looking at around 4,000 max dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 739 - 11/06/2024 11:45:34 2550767 Link 0 |
A please don't ask him to find a brain to use. With all his baloney, he has never once on any site put forward a suggestion of any kind. I would imagine his idea of a championship would have players train to play one game in May, goals worth more than any number of points, Ulster finals in Dundalk and the Bishop throwing in the ball to 20 midfielders and hoping to get to the sideline in one piece. Oh and 3d Admission. Don't try to explain to him that overall attendances will be way up this year on HIS glory days in the 70s and 80s.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 11/06/2024 12:33:22 2550785 Link 0 |
One thing they could and probably will is do away with 3 teams qualifying out of 4…. that's just ridiculous.. make it 2/4 with the winners of the opening group games playing each other in the 2nd round of matches… This would make for more interesting games in an effort to make the top 2… The minimal amount of jeopardy involved in the current system just makes it boring which is reflected in the tiny attendance figures and drab atmosphere at games….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 11/06/2024 12:37:11 2550786 Link 0 |
ORIELMAN85 macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1139 - 11/06/2024 12:51:19 2550791 Link 0 |
This obsession with the so called purity of the knock-out system is crazy and totally out of the line with other team sports throughout the world. It is remarkable that the GAA survived so long using such a limited system for its main competition. And the forced return of that system during Covid showed its limitations. The only sport I can think of that uses pure knock-out for its most prestigious competition is Shinty's Camanachd Cup (typical attendance at the final is around 3,000). It also though has a full league running in parallel. Teams can in theory win the Champions League in soccer having lost four group matches and three of the legs in the knock-out part. Would any team doing that be thought of as less of a Champion? In theory a team can win the Cavan senior championship not having won any of their four matches in the Swiss Model league phase - in fact, in an extreme case they could lose all four. Would they be a lesser Champion if they can turn around and beat three higher seeds to win the championship. If Derry or any another team can recover, having lost a provincial match and lost two group matches, and then beat four top teams to win the All Ireland, well done to them. That's a tougher path than many previous winners (e.g. Kerry 1997) under the knock-out system had to navigate. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 112 - 11/06/2024 12:55:10 2550794 Link 3 |
The drop in attendances is because the jackeens and rhubarbs aren't attending en masse anymore. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 11/06/2024 15:16:43 2550833 Link 2 |
Games this weekend should have attendance numbers like this if not a full review will be required by HQ to see what tweaks to the format are needed to improve attendance figures. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3456 - 11/06/2024 16:02:37 2550838 Link 1 |
Tyrone v Cork is a double header with Cork v Offaly hurling. If there were 4, or 5 genuine contenders for Sam crowds would increase. All the tweaks in the world won't get crowds till games, and results become unpredictable. And the boring chess game that foitball has become doesn't help. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 11/06/2024 16:39:57 2550846 Link 3 |
14 to 16k at Dublin V Mayo. If that's the case it should final put to bed the myth that the Dubs don't mind travelling outside Croker and would love to be on the road.
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1177 - 11/06/2024 16:47:42 2550848 Link 0 |
None of the expected attendance figures I've posted would be described as great if lower than the above then the situation is worse than some pundits and Journalists reckon.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3456 - 11/06/2024 17:04:58 2550853 Link 0 |
Ah thank God all is not lost in Cavan. A good post. As you said it was miraculous that it lasted as long with the knock out system. Young lads today are not going to train all year for a one and done style Championship. For the younger players, the J1 would be more of a lure than a one game Championship. Of all the county players I meet and I meet quite a few through my job I have not heard one say they want to go back to any of the old systems. Players want to play games, lots of games. They also want to play for their club, thus their support for the split season. Remember it was the players who started the campaign for a split season. The Club Championship in Monaghan has really been lit up by our Round Robin style Championship. Every game is important. No onevexpexts every one of the 35 Sam Maguire games to be sell outs, but put together a lot of people get to see a lot of good games.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 11/06/2024 17:46:06 2550861 Link 1 |
Ah thank God all is not lost in Cavan. A good post. As you said it was miraculous that it lasted as long with the knock out system. Young lads today are not going to train all year for a one and done style Championship. For the younger players, the J1 would be more of a lure than a one game Championship. Of all the county players I meet and I meet quite a few through my job I have not heard one say they want to go back to any of the old systems. Players want to play games, lots of games. They also want to play for their club, thus their support for the split season. Remember it was the players who started the campaign for a split season. The Club Championship in Monaghan has really been lit up by our Round Robin style Championship. Every game is important. No onevexpexts every one of the 35 Sam Maguire games to be sell outs, but put together a lot of people get to see a lot of good games.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 11/06/2024 18:05:00 2550865 Link 1 |
Surely more than 5k will go to see Monaghan vMeath… It's a must win game for Meath and its at the perfect venue for both counties… if this game doesn't attract 8 to 10k then it's plainly obvious this ridiculous championship format is dead in the water..
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 11/06/2024 19:41:59 2550876 Link 0 |
Agree to a point but there are many factors at play here. Dublin fans are probably bored at this stage. I mean who watches Dublin games as neutrals anyway? They are generally forgone conclusions and only worth watching until semi final stage. I've seen a significant drop in Mayo support since that 2021 final no show v Tyrone. A lot of people lost faith that day and it will take a long time to reign that level of support again. I know loads who gave up their season tickets after that. Cost of living is now insane. GAA have more games in a short period of time and people will pick and choose their games. Attending every game is not practical for most people. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11368 - 11/06/2024 21:34:39 2550890 Link 1 |