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Replying To MesAmis:  "Soccer as an organised sport is as traditional to Ireland as Gaelic football to be fair.

It has been played here since before the formation of the GAA and the codification (invention) of Gaelic football."
To be fair to it, it was traditionally the sport of the working man and poor around the world. Although the modern day excesses of it's professional status are horrid. It is still a very easily accessible sport for everyone and the skills are great to watch. There're very few sports that can match some of the ball skills that Maradona, Best, Messi, Ronaldo (Brazilian one) and Zidane could do...maybe hurling!

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 08/02/2024 12:33:00    2525083

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This topic was discussed on Off The Ball recently and someone made the point that Pairc Ui Chaoimh style stadium needs to be in Thurles or Portlaoise. I suppose the "county board" nature of the GAA means it would never happen in Portlaoise despite it being perfectly positioned to host neutral fixtures.
Having been in Thurles at All Ireland Quarter Final 2 years ago, and the near crush there was getting in to the tiny toilets, it badly needs a face lift.
GAA need to think holistically about stadiums and avoid the county board "solo run", especially when they build it and it turns out to be a mistake.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 09/02/2024 16:13:41    2525248

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "This topic was discussed on Off The Ball recently and someone made the point that Pairc Ui Chaoimh style stadium needs to be in Thurles or Portlaoise. I suppose the "county board" nature of the GAA means it would never happen in Portlaoise despite it being perfectly positioned to host neutral fixtures.
Having been in Thurles at All Ireland Quarter Final 2 years ago, and the near crush there was getting in to the tiny toilets, it badly needs a face lift.
GAA need to think holistically about stadiums and avoid the county board "solo run", especially when they build it and it turns out to be a mistake."
Wasn't Páirc Uí Chaoimh a project with the Government to try to get a Rugger "World" Cup?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1955 - 09/02/2024 17:41:53    2525258

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "To be fair to it, it was traditionally the sport of the working man and poor around the world. Although the modern day excesses of it's professional status are horrid. It is still a very easily accessible sport for everyone and the skills are great to watch. There're very few sports that can match some of the ball skills that Maradona, Best, Messi, Ronaldo (Brazilian one) and Zidane could do...maybe hurling!"
The "working man" and woman and poor have always been attracted to the lowest sorts of entertainment. Just look at the utter tripe that's on TV and most radio. Soccer is just another lowest common denominator and has the same "stars" and values of all the rest of the stuff.

We were fortunate to retain a popular culture that was of a higher nature but I doubt that will survive over the next 50 years. So we may make the most of it while it lasts!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3120 - 09/02/2024 19:47:56    2525262

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "working man" and woman and poor have always been attracted to the lowest sorts of entertainment. Just look at the utter tripe that's on TV and most radio. Soccer is just another lowest common denominator and has the same "stars" and values of all the rest of the stuff.

We were fortunate to retain a popular culture that was of a higher nature but I doubt that will survive over the next 50 years. So we may make the most of it while it lasts!"
I know what ya mean, when it comes to Big Brother, Love Island and all that reality tv rubbish. I do think though there are some unreal skills in soccer developed from young lads playing in the street. Although it's hard take it seriously now with all the overpaid prima Donna's and the horrible corporate nature of the English clubs.

I would say keep the faith with Irish culture. It has faced bigger problems in the past. I always think that despite Norman takeover, Tudor conquest and plantation, we still maintained a unique culture and will still do in the future. Our music, dance, literature and games are too strong to be erased.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 10/02/2024 01:17:20    2525283

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "working man" and woman and poor have always been attracted to the lowest sorts of entertainment. Just look at the utter tripe that's on TV and most radio. Soccer is just another lowest common denominator and has the same "stars" and values of all the rest of the stuff.

We were fortunate to retain a popular culture that was of a higher nature but I doubt that will survive over the next 50 years. So we may make the most of it while it lasts!"
Ah no Barney it's up to all of us to keep it up. I encourage the kids to practise/use their Irish around the house, bring them to hurling and football matches and coach them at training, when they get older they might read some great Irish literature, if any of them manage Ulysses then we will have a few geniuses in the house, hopefully they might not end up drinking as much as I have in my life though, and maybe have a slightly better regard for authority. Maybe;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 10/02/2024 09:12:15    2525290

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "I know what ya mean, when it comes to Big Brother, Love Island and all that reality tv rubbish. I do think though there are some unreal skills in soccer developed from young lads playing in the street. Although it's hard take it seriously now with all the overpaid prima Donna's and the horrible corporate nature of the English clubs.

I would say keep the faith with Irish culture. It has faced bigger problems in the past. I always think that despite Norman takeover, Tudor conquest and plantation, we still maintained a unique culture and will still do in the future. Our music, dance, literature and games are too strong to be erased."
Excellent last paragraph Machaire and very true.

You could have added "an infestation of caterwaulin American Country and Western singing" too.

Our traditional music has never been stronger.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1955 - 10/02/2024 09:25:19    2525293

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "I know what ya mean, when it comes to Big Brother, Love Island and all that reality tv rubbish. I do think though there are some unreal skills in soccer developed from young lads playing in the street. Although it's hard take it seriously now with all the overpaid prima Donna's and the horrible corporate nature of the English clubs.

I would say keep the faith with Irish culture. It has faced bigger problems in the past. I always think that despite Norman takeover, Tudor conquest and plantation, we still maintained a unique culture and will still do in the future. Our music, dance, literature and games are too strong to be erased."
Correct about Love Island and similar shows. It seems to be a dumbing down of entertainment is in vogue.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 10/02/2024 21:41:52    2525386

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "I know what ya mean, when it comes to Big Brother, Love Island and all that reality tv rubbish. I do think though there are some unreal skills in soccer developed from young lads playing in the street. Although it's hard take it seriously now with all the overpaid prima Donna's and the horrible corporate nature of the English clubs.

I would say keep the faith with Irish culture. It has faced bigger problems in the past. I always think that despite Norman takeover, Tudor conquest and plantation, we still maintained a unique culture and will still do in the future. Our music, dance, literature and games are too strong to be erased."
Agree Machaire with a lot of what you've written. However there's a difference between the British empire's colonisation and the Vikings or Normans presence in Irl. The Vikings settled along our rivers mostly, married Irish women, learned and spoke the native tongue, as is evident from loan words in the Irish language, e.g margadh & seol. The Normans settled here too and some of them became more Irish than the Irish themselves in both language and culture. The surname Burke, de Burgo, for example, comes to mind. How would St Thomas's have fared without the Burkes or the Corofin footballers without Dáithí or KK without the Norman influence? Viking or Norman culture did not replace the native one, it became part of it.
The English colonisation from 16th century onwards set out to conquer Ireland completely so that there would be one language, one culture and one religion under British rule in Ireland.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 11/02/2024 11:57:39    2525437

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Pairc Ui Chaoimh needs some big concerts like the upcoming AC/DC gig. Or Coldplay too.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2565 - 15/02/2024 18:52:16    2526256

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Replying To galwayford:  "Pairc Ui Chaoimh needs some big concerts like the upcoming AC/DC gig. Or Coldplay too."
Needs artists who will tour multiple venues jn ireland as unlikely to get any or many who are jusr going to 1 irish venue as nearly all them will stick to dublin venues

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 15/02/2024 20:46:01    2526274

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "working man" and woman and poor have always been attracted to the lowest sorts of entertainment. Just look at the utter tripe that's on TV and most radio. Soccer is just another lowest common denominator and has the same "stars" and values of all the rest of the stuff.

We were fortunate to retain a popular culture that was of a higher nature but I doubt that will survive over the next 50 years. So we may make the most of it while it lasts!"
"The "working man" and woman and poor have always been attracted to the lowest sorts of entertainment"

How many nights did Gareth Brooks sell out Croke Park for???

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 16/02/2024 09:11:48    2526308

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Replying To StoreysTash:  ""The "working man" and woman and poor have always been attracted to the lowest sorts of entertainment"

How many nights did Gareth Brooks sell out Croke Park for???"
Ummmmm aren't you just proving his point Storeystash;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 16/02/2024 09:24:10    2526310

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Wasn't Páirc Uí Chaoimh a project with the Government to try to get a Rugger "World" Cup?"
Not at all and whys it obly non rugby fans who call the sport rugger?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 16/02/2024 10:07:36    2526316

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Not at all and whys it obly non rugby fans who call the sport rugger?"
Think they think they're being funny

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 16/02/2024 13:45:39    2526353

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Replying To baire:  "Agree Machaire with a lot of what you've written. However there's a difference between the British empire's colonisation and the Vikings or Normans presence in Irl. The Vikings settled along our rivers mostly, married Irish women, learned and spoke the native tongue, as is evident from loan words in the Irish language, e.g margadh & seol. The Normans settled here too and some of them became more Irish than the Irish themselves in both language and culture. The surname Burke, de Burgo, for example, comes to mind. How would St Thomas's have fared without the Burkes or the Corofin footballers without Dáithí or KK without the Norman influence? Viking or Norman culture did not replace the native one, it became part of it.
The English colonisation from 16th century onwards set out to conquer Ireland completely so that there would be one language, one culture and one religion under British rule in Ireland."
Is the with Haggart a Viking word.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 16/02/2024 15:21:43    2526367

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Probably an unpopular opinion, especially with Limerick people but I think Munster should try play one Champions Cup game at PUC. A win-win for both Munster and Cork GAA. Hopefully the champions cup goes back to old format with three home games

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 301 - 16/02/2024 17:00:25    2526384

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "Probably an unpopular opinion, especially with Limerick people but I think Munster should try play one Champions Cup game at PUC. A win-win for both Munster and Cork GAA. Hopefully the champions cup goes back to old format with three home games"
I dont think champions cup will change back to 3 home and 3 away games. Needed to reduce amount of games played through season and europe was place to cut games.

It would be lot more than limerick people irritated... plenty in clare, tipp, and other areas annoyed as well.

I think a european knockout game possibly will be next game munster play in PuC. Certainly has to be a game in URC or champions cup not a game against a touring side

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 16/02/2024 17:26:20    2526390

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "Probably an unpopular opinion, especially with Limerick people but I think Munster should try play one Champions Cup game at PUC. A win-win for both Munster and Cork GAA. Hopefully the champions cup goes back to old format with three home games"
Think the annual Stephens Day game vs Leinster might be a good shout too,

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/02/2024 17:40:10    2526393

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Is the with Haggart a Viking word."
As in the Park behind your cottage?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 16/02/2024 18:42:08    2526398

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