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Replying To MyOhMi: "I'd 100% agree with your synopsis. I don't believe the 'we weren't trying' or 'we are building a panel' .. My opinion would be that the 15-18 lads that hurled last Saturday knew it was their last chance to impress and to be honest quite a few lads probably wrote themselves out of contention.
I also don't understand what type of a game plan we were trying to play. We had 2 man full forward line and both were camped inside the square with an acre of space to their left and to their right but neither made any run into space to give a midfielder / half back the chance to deliver a ball .. This looked very intentional and that they would only make a run when the ball reached a particular area of the field .. There were times when the Cork half back line were well up the field .. We had possession but never tried once to deliver the ball .. Very Gaelic Football like
Our striking was also woeful - yes it was a bad day but it was the same for both teams. We missed at least 6-8 scorable points." Agree a few lads from that starting 15 likely won't even be on the 26 come championship, never mind the 15. Probably at least 15 lads out of our best 26 didn't start that game against Cork, including some of our best 6 or 7 players.
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Replying To Viking66: "We weren't missing A,B and C. We were missing A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Only 4 lads who started our last Championship game started against Cork. And as for reserves only 8 of the lads who started against Kilkenny in the League, a team with only 2 starters from our last Championship game, started against Cork. These aren't excuses. They are facts. Check them for yourself.
As regards Cork we beat them 2 years ago with more like our A team, and should've beaten them last year also, when we were unlucky with injuries, which then badly impacted our Leinster performances. If we make it out of Leinster and play them again with our A team in the All Ireland series, I'd have absolutely no fear of them, although I do admit they will likely be favourites to win.
As regards what way pundits look at us you are talking nonsense. Same as them. Other counties have lost by 10 or so points. It happened to Kilkenny just last year. And Clare the year before. And that was in Championship games. Outside of the Covid year in 2020 Wexford have only lost one championship game in 70 minute by 7 points in the last 7 years as far as I can remember. And not by more than that even once.
Which brings me to my last point. Noone I know thinks we will definitely win Leinster. Or definitely will reach the final. Or even will definitely beat Dublin. I don't either. But that was the same before the Cork game." No matter what way you look at it for a team to get such a hiding is a disaster, 4 starters or not. You expect experimentation in a league but you expect the top teams to beat Offaly or Westmeath by that score.
Kilkenny were beaten by 10 points in an All-Ireland final by a team who will cement their place in history. Not in a league match in March by a team who might not come out of Munster.
I did not say "Definitely win Leinster". But go back 5-6 pages (because I had to catch up with pages and pages last week) to after the Waterford match and people were talking about winning Leinster. It might happen, and I will be rooting for you v everybody bar ourselves, but the bounce back from the week end will need to be significant and vengeance filled.
You talk about having lost only one championship match by 7 points in 7 years as if it is an achievement. How many did they win and lose in those 7 years and who did they beat of note? That is all that matters, not how many they lost to and by how much. If they won every match in those 7 years by 1 point that is all that they need to do because who wins is all that matters and anything else is an excuse.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "No matter what way you look at it for a team to get such a hiding is a disaster, 4 starters or not. You expect experimentation in a league but you expect the top teams to beat Offaly or Westmeath by that score.
Kilkenny were beaten by 10 points in an All-Ireland final by a team who will cement their place in history. Not in a league match in March by a team who might not come out of Munster.
I did not say "Definitely win Leinster". But go back 5-6 pages (because I had to catch up with pages and pages last week) to after the Waterford match and people were talking about winning Leinster. It might happen, and I will be rooting for you v everybody bar ourselves, but the bounce back from the week end will need to be significant and vengeance filled.
You talk about having lost only one championship match by 7 points in 7 years as if it is an achievement. How many did they win and lose in those 7 years and who did they beat of note? That is all that matters, not how many they lost to and by how much. If they won every match in those 7 years by 1 point that is all that they need to do because who wins is all that matters and anything else is an excuse." Cork will get out of Munster. In fact I think they could win the All Ireland and I would put my house on them winning at least one in next five years.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "No matter what way you look at it for a team to get such a hiding is a disaster, 4 starters or not. You expect experimentation in a league but you expect the top teams to beat Offaly or Westmeath by that score.
Kilkenny were beaten by 10 points in an All-Ireland final by a team who will cement their place in history. Not in a league match in March by a team who might not come out of Munster.
I did not say "Definitely win Leinster". But go back 5-6 pages (because I had to catch up with pages and pages last week) to after the Waterford match and people were talking about winning Leinster. It might happen, and I will be rooting for you v everybody bar ourselves, but the bounce back from the week end will need to be significant and vengeance filled.
You talk about having lost only one championship match by 7 points in 7 years as if it is an achievement. How many did they win and lose in those 7 years and who did they beat of note? That is all that matters, not how many they lost to and by how much. If they won every match in those 7 years by 1 point that is all that they need to do because who wins is all that matters and anything else is an excuse." Our record against Munster counties in the League over the last 3 years is nearly exactly 50/50 in terms of wins, draws and losses, or League points if you want to look at it that way, and is exactly 50/50 against Galway and Kilkenny. That's also a fact, not an excuse.
And yes we might win Leinster. But that doesn't mean the same as we will do , or anything close to it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 20/03/2024 22:08:08
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Cork will get out of Munster. In fact I think they could win the All Ireland and I would put my house on them winning at least one in next five years." I think they will be the next county to win one apart from Limerick.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 20/03/2024 22:09:03
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Injuries will have a big say on who wins what going forward. That includes Cork as well as everyone else. Prunty looked like being the best full back for years to come when he won the All-star. Ravaged with injuries since. DeBurca and Daly the same. Not a team in the country who would not have them in their backs. Cruciate, hamstrings and achilles injuries are off the charts. Some of these managers and trainers should get jail time. Don't agree on much with Spillane but he is right that what is going on now with schedules etc. is a phisio theraphist's dream. Looking at Wexford, Waterford and others the ratio of top county players out is extremely high.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2800 - 20/03/2024 23:58:51
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "No matter what way you look at it for a team to get such a hiding is a disaster, 4 starters or not. You expect experimentation in a league but you expect the top teams to beat Offaly or Westmeath by that score.
Kilkenny were beaten by 10 points in an All-Ireland final by a team who will cement their place in history. Not in a league match in March by a team who might not come out of Munster.
I did not say "Definitely win Leinster". But go back 5-6 pages (because I had to catch up with pages and pages last week) to after the Waterford match and people were talking about winning Leinster. It might happen, and I will be rooting for you v everybody bar ourselves, but the bounce back from the week end will need to be significant and vengeance filled.
You talk about having lost only one championship match by 7 points in 7 years as if it is an achievement. How many did they win and lose in those 7 years and who did they beat of note? That is all that matters, not how many they lost to and by how much. If they won every match in those 7 years by 1 point that is all that they need to do because who wins is all that matters and anything else is an excuse." As regards me mentioning only losing once in a championship by as many as 7 points, that was in answer to your point that we are viewed nationally like Dublin because we take big beatings, while Munster counties and Galway and Kilkenny don't. I was just pointing out that when the chips are down in championship we haven't took a big beating off anyone in a long long time. Apart from my examples of Kilkenny and Clare, Cork lost by 11 points to Limerick in 2022, Tipp lost by 12 points to Cork in the last 2 years, and Waterford lost by 12 points to Clare in the same time period. Over the last 7 years no doubt there are more examples. The only team that haven't lost a championship game by around double figures or more apart from us is Limerick. So you were talking nonsense when you said it only happens to Wexford.
Our biggest problem the last couple of Leinsters is beating the teams we should be beating- the Westmeaths, Dublins, Antrims of the hurling world. We have been competitive enough against the so called stronger counties, although we came up just short against Clare, who are in the top 4 championship counties, twice in that time in QFs. Clare and Kilkenny beat Dublin comfortably, Kilkenny and Galway beat Westmeath comfortably, being as we have been reasonably competitive against all 3, there's no reason we shouldn't be doing better against the so-called weaker counties as well.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 21/03/2024 06:48:23
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Replying To Canuck: "Injuries will have a big say on who wins what going forward. That includes Cork as well as everyone else. Prunty looked like being the best full back for years to come when he won the All-star. Ravaged with injuries since. DeBurca and Daly the same. Not a team in the country who would not have them in their backs. Cruciate, hamstrings and achilles injuries are off the charts. Some of these managers and trainers should get jail time. Don't agree on much with Spillane but he is right that what is going on now with schedules etc. is a phisio theraphist's dream. Looking at Wexford, Waterford and others the ratio of top county players out is extremely high." Its not the injuries of all those players mentioned, they are simply not good enough. Had one or two good years and that was it. Inconsistent. Every county has experienced injuries. Prunty done nothing but fouled, not near Huw Lawler or Daithi Burke level. As for saying Daly would make any team.
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Replying To Viking66: "Our record against Munster counties in the League over the last 3 years is nearly exactly 50/50 in terms of wins, draws and losses, or League points if you want to look at it that way, and is exactly 50/50 against Galway and Kilkenny. That's also a fact, not an excuse.
And yes we might win Leinster. But that doesn't mean the same as we will do , or anything close to it." I am about to get on a flight but what is your CHAMPIONSHIP record v the Munster counties, Galway and Kilkenny? Wins and losses?
Because say what you want, nobody remembers the league or Walsh Cup. Its all about championship and nothing else matters no matter how much anyone says it does.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1242 - 21/03/2024 09:20:39
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Replying To Viking66: "As regards me mentioning only losing once in a championship by as many as 7 points, that was in answer to your point that we are viewed nationally like Dublin because we take big beatings, while Munster counties and Galway and Kilkenny don't. I was just pointing out that when the chips are down in championship we haven't took a big beating off anyone in a long long time. Apart from my examples of Kilkenny and Clare, Cork lost by 11 points to Limerick in 2022, Tipp lost by 12 points to Cork in the last 2 years, and Waterford lost by 12 points to Clare in the same time period. Over the last 7 years no doubt there are more examples. The only team that haven't lost a championship game by around double figures or more apart from us is Limerick. So you were talking nonsense when you said it only happens to Wexford.
Our biggest problem the last couple of Leinsters is beating the teams we should be beating- the Westmeaths, Dublins, Antrims of the hurling world. We have been competitive enough against the so called stronger counties, although we came up just short against Clare, who are in the top 4 championship counties, twice in that time in QFs. Clare and Kilkenny beat Dublin comfortably, Kilkenny and Galway beat Westmeath comfortably, being as we have been reasonably competitive against all 3, there's no reason we shouldn't be doing better against the so-called weaker counties as well." Any team can have a bad day, and as a Dublin hurling supporter I know that better than anyone.
But you cite a few one-off bad results. Like that Tipp team was under Colm Bonner who is yesterdays man.
I just think like it or not you can point to what another team did all you like, what Wexford do is say "if only this didn't happen". Its like a constant hard-luck story at every level and free passes all round.
Like, there's rumblings in Kilkenny of discontent and yet they are in a semi-final. That is where the standard has to be and the bar set. Not "that ref", or "that injury", or "well we only lost by x, y and z".
Its not an u12 team where you say they gave it everything, this is the big time.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1242 - 21/03/2024 09:31:41
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I am about to get on a flight but what is your CHAMPIONSHIP record v the Munster counties, Galway and Kilkenny? Wins and losses?
Because say what you want, nobody remembers the league or Walsh Cup. Its all about championship and nothing else matters no matter how much anyone says it does." The Cork loss sparked this latest rant out of you. Like the Clare loss last year. Both League games. Our championship record the last 2 seasons against those so-called top counties, which includes one of our worst championship seasons in nearly 10 years, as we both agree and you really made a big deal of, is-
P-5, W-2, D-1, L-2. Exactly 50%.
I agree it's all about championship. That's why I didn't get too excited about winning or not losing league games this year and 2 years ago, and didn't get too excited about losing them last year. Maybe it's because you are a big city man but you seem to get carried away putting emphasis on that kind of irrelevant stuff.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 21/03/2024 11:56:04
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I am about to get on a flight but what is your CHAMPIONSHIP record v the Munster counties, Galway and Kilkenny? Wins and losses?
Because say what you want, nobody remembers the league or Walsh Cup. Its all about championship and nothing else matters no matter how much anyone says it does." Against Kilkenny it's very good obviously.
Galway is another story. A couple of draws is the best we've managed.
The fact of the matter is we don't play Munster opposition in championship that much.
We haven't actually beaten one since Cork in Liam Dunnes time which from memory was 16.
We generally lose to them in close games.
I don't think anyone is saying that's a good thing. What people are saying is it's not as bad as it's made out.
I'd be weary of that attitude given what happened between 01 and 04. We used a few big days to deny that we were on a downward curve which eventually caught up with us.
We're by nature a glass half full type of people I think, and we struggle to be really objective about this.
It's part of being a Wexford support to be there or there abouts, in the hope that there's a huge performance coming Which it often does.
On the whole I agree with you. An annual performance is not enough.
However, Leinster is easier to win than it was years ago and I think we've a chance of getting to the final, in which case you never know what could happen.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Any team can have a bad day, and as a Dublin hurling supporter I know that better than anyone.
But you cite a few one-off bad results. Like that Tipp team was under Colm Bonner who is yesterdays man.
I just think like it or not you can point to what another team did all you like, what Wexford do is say "if only this didn't happen". Its like a constant hard-luck story at every level and free passes all round.
Like, there's rumblings in Kilkenny of discontent and yet they are in a semi-final. That is where the standard has to be and the bar set. Not "that ref", or "that injury", or "well we only lost by x, y and z".
Its not an u12 team where you say they gave it everything, this is the big time." We haven't had ANY even of your 1-off double digit championship losses against any of the top counties in alot of years. All the other so called top counties have in the last 2 years except Limerick. So what are you talking about? You are as bad as all those so called top pundits. It's grand for Tipp, Cork, Waterford, Clare etc to lose a championship game by a double digit score because they are from Munster. But not OK for a pretty weak Wexford selection to do the same in a meaningless League game against a near enough full strength Cork team. And before you go on that winning championship silverware is what really counts there are only 2 counties in Ireland that have won any championship silverware since the year we last did. Cork, Tipp, Galway, Waterford, Clare and Dublin aren't either of them.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 21/03/2024 12:05:38
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To say Lee Chin, Tony Kelly who's carriers, hampered by injuries are not among the greats who play the game not good enough is something. Tadgh DeBurca who has had two horrific cruciate injuries and an achilles tended rupture was not consistent or good enough ??? O sorry it is just good Waterford players. Someone thought Prunty an All star at 21 was good enough.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2800 - 21/03/2024 13:23:35
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Been fairly out of the GAA league loop here (and by no means on here to vent because I never liked that when playing) but good to see we got in to the first division for next year, there is no denying that was a good achievement by the team. But Championship is the be all and end all, hurling league has the significance of ACHL matches.
The only fear I have, based on checking scores, is that we sort of fell over the line into Division 1. Our performance v Waterford sounds like performance of the league, when everything went right. Other performances sounded "patchy", to be expected in a league match with new names and faces.
But I do as well think Wexford supporters do use deflection tactics more than most counties. Like, I know a couple of Kilkenny players and many of their supporters and they were so disappointed at losing the final last year and many in KK asked "how have we let ourselves become also-rans like this, we are KK ". That is the expectation and tradition and winners mentality Wexford lack as a county.
You should never go out to do anything other than give everything to win every game, I get the need to try new things etc but you can't allow the game to be over as a contest before making changes. I 1000% admit to scoreboard analysis here.
Its a big year for us and I hope for championship we deliver a string of performances and put Carlow and Antrim to the sword, get over Dublin and Galway on home soil and throw the kitchen sink at KK in the last game. I will be home for that and hope there is everything at stake and not the way it was last year.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1768 - 21/03/2024 13:53:07
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Was going to make a point earlier after reading Doylerwex's post above, and now the new one from StoreysTash kind of reinforces it.
I do think that in general, we're a "glass half full" type after a defeat. Because quite frankly - and unfortunately - we haven't been successful enough over the years to be "glass half empty".
You can have the half full attitude of "well, things A, B and C went wrong. But they won't always go wrong, so on a better day, we're capable of more."
Or you can have the half empty attitude of "okay, things A, B and C went wrong, but it's not good enough if we can't overcome things like that and win those sort of matches anyway".
Kilkenny, with their long record of all sorts of success, could have that second attitude - "we're Kilkenny. Those sort of things didn't stop us before. Why are they stopping us now?"
But we don't have that sort of success. For Wexford, actually winning something was really only ever a bonus, rather than an expectation. Even in the glory years of the 1950s and 60s, we still weren't the most successful county in Leinster in either decade. Kilkenny were.
So, I'd take the "glass half full" approach, and at least have hope. Expectation would be better, but hope is better than nothing. And being a Wexford hurling supporter is really just a lifetime of hope that things might soon come right for us again, like they sometimes do.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2337 - 21/03/2024 16:05:45
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Was going to make a point earlier after reading Doylerwex's post above, and now the new one from StoreysTash kind of reinforces it.
I do think that in general, we're a "glass half full" type after a defeat. Because quite frankly - and unfortunately - we haven't been successful enough over the years to be "glass half empty".
You can have the half full attitude of "well, things A, B and C went wrong. But they won't always go wrong, so on a better day, we're capable of more."
Or you can have the half empty attitude of "okay, things A, B and C went wrong, but it's not good enough if we can't overcome things like that and win those sort of matches anyway".
Kilkenny, with their long record of all sorts of success, could have that second attitude - "we're Kilkenny. Those sort of things didn't stop us before. Why are they stopping us now?"
But we don't have that sort of success. For Wexford, actually winning something was really only ever a bonus, rather than an expectation. Even in the glory years of the 1950s and 60s, we still weren't the most successful county in Leinster in either decade. Kilkenny were.
So, I'd take the "glass half full" approach, and at least have hope. Expectation would be better, but hope is better than nothing. And being a Wexford hurling supporter is really just a lifetime of hope that things might soon come right for us again, like they sometimes do." We have done nothing in my adult lifetime to give any sane adult any expectation of success. But if you don't have hope, or at least try to have it, you will just give up. And then expectation of failure will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
As regards the 50s and 60s in the 1950s we reached 4 AI finals to Kilkennys 3. We won 2 to their 1. Surely that makes us more successful?
In the 60s they reached 5 to our 4, winning 3 to our 2. So they were more successful.
So overall we had exactly the same record as them in AI finals in the 50s and 60s. We both reached 8, and both won 4.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Been fairly out of the GAA league loop here (and by no means on here to vent because I never liked that when playing) but good to see we got in to the first division for next year, there is no denying that was a good achievement by the team. But Championship is the be all and end all, hurling league has the significance of ACHL matches.
The only fear I have, based on checking scores, is that we sort of fell over the line into Division 1. Our performance v Waterford sounds like performance of the league, when everything went right. Other performances sounded "patchy", to be expected in a league match with new names and faces.
But I do as well think Wexford supporters do use deflection tactics more than most counties. Like, I know a couple of Kilkenny players and many of their supporters and they were so disappointed at losing the final last year and many in KK asked "how have we let ourselves become also-rans like this, we are KK ". That is the expectation and tradition and winners mentality Wexford lack as a county.
You should never go out to do anything other than give everything to win every game, I get the need to try new things etc but you can't allow the game to be over as a contest before making changes. I 1000% admit to scoreboard analysis here.
Its a big year for us and I hope for championship we deliver a string of performances and put Carlow and Antrim to the sword, get over Dublin and Galway on home soil and throw the kitchen sink at KK in the last game. I will be home for that and hope there is everything at stake and not the way it was last year." Having been to our 3 Walsh Cup and 5 league games my summary performance wise would be 5 good performances (KK Walsh Cup, Galway Walsh Cup, KK league, Clare League, Waterford League). No way of dressing it up disappointing Saturday but as I said in a previous post, championship will define its relevance, we want it to become like the big defeat to Galway in the 2019 League QF, 1 that nobody remembers due to a positive championship subsequently rather than like the Waterford league SF in 2022 which was a game seen to rattle confidence. Taught we were poor enough 1st day out v Carlow in the Walsh Cup, it was a complete nothing game I've been to challenge games with more of a cut to them. This next bit is probably where the doom merchants will talk about excuses but its not, its just the reality of the Offaly game in my opinion, we were woeful for the 1st 20-25 mins but actually played Ok after that, we were badly let down by the officials in that game, can't remember a more one-sided officiating performance in a Wexford game and the worst officiating display I've seen in a Wexford game since the league game v Dublin in Croke Park in 2020, although the ref that evening was poor for both teams. Telling that the ref for that game had Division 1 games in round 1 and 2 and has only done 1 game in the 3 rounds since and that was in 2A. Funny you bring up scorelines looking at the 15 games played in 1A 13 of them were either very competitive or reasonably competitive, the 2 exceptions Offaly/ Cork and Wexford/ Cork, Offaly/ Waterford ended up a big margin but was actually 3-12 0-17 on 62 mins before Waterford pulled away after an Offaly red card.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Against Kilkenny it's very good obviously.
Galway is another story. A couple of draws is the best we've managed.
The fact of the matter is we don't play Munster opposition in championship that much.
We haven't actually beaten one since Cork in Liam Dunnes time which from memory was 16.
We generally lose to them in close games.
I don't think anyone is saying that's a good thing. What people are saying is it's not as bad as it's made out.
I'd be weary of that attitude given what happened between 01 and 04. We used a few big days to deny that we were on a downward curve which eventually caught up with us.
We're by nature a glass half full type of people I think, and we struggle to be really objective about this.
It's part of being a Wexford support to be there or there abouts, in the hope that there's a huge performance coming Which it often does.
On the whole I agree with you. An annual performance is not enough.
However, Leinster is easier to win than it was years ago and I think we've a chance of getting to the final, in which case you never know what could happen." I think as a county we are great at making excuses imho.
This time last year it was pretty obvious we were in a bit of trouble yet on here there was a plethora of excuses league doesn't matter, different come championship even suggestion we hadn't bothered in the league because the year before we did and championship wasn't great so trying the opposite.
All excuses rather than facing the reality at the time.
How many times have we read on here or heard fowllowing a bad performance that we had a tough training session or week of training in the build up to that game for example? The ref, the crowd, Kilkenny could dispatch Westmeath at home with very little attending but the lack of a big crowd affected us?
And of course the age old one that's never gone away about how playing football means we aren't as good at hurling as we should be!
We tolerate excuses that other counties don't imho and I've been guilty of it myself also.
Maybe it's just how we are as a people, we are quite laid back, I don't know but I do think we dole out excuses that other counties wouldn't and don't.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "No matter what way you look at it for a team to get such a hiding is a disaster, 4 starters or not. You expect experimentation in a league but you expect the top teams to beat Offaly or Westmeath by that score.
Kilkenny were beaten by 10 points in an All-Ireland final by a team who will cement their place in history. Not in a league match in March by a team who might not come out of Munster.
I did not say "Definitely win Leinster". But go back 5-6 pages (because I had to catch up with pages and pages last week) to after the Waterford match and people were talking about winning Leinster. It might happen, and I will be rooting for you v everybody bar ourselves, but the bounce back from the week end will need to be significant and vengeance filled.
You talk about having lost only one championship match by 7 points in 7 years as if it is an achievement. How many did they win and lose in those 7 years and who did they beat of note? That is all that matters, not how many they lost to and by how much. If they won every match in those 7 years by 1 point that is all that they need to do because who wins is all that matters and anything else is an excuse." Is there no topic on Dublin hurling on this forum.
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