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I think if you check current panel several of the hurlers played foitball with county first inc. Chin . Some of the footballers may not have the hurling ability on occasion but anyone with county football will have the s&c done which is a huge part of modern intercounty game.
So yes if a chap is decent hurler but better footballer and not picked for hurling squad encourage him to go football but work on his hurling skills in the hope that he ll improve and at least if he has the s&c and fitness work done he will be somewhere ready for the demands of intercounty . Instead of belittling football and discouraging the lads from playing .
If not let him go back to club and train with his team which may include several players who drag standard down to their comfort level and he may never catch up with s&c of intrcounty .
I d rather see a lad playing intercounty football and work hard on his hurling skillset outside training.
The modern game demands physicality and fitness which is equal in both codes at top level .
Why would hurling management even look at footballers if they had nt got those elements already . In the hope they would improve their hurling if brought in and given the chance .
Communication with these players would be key .
Never close a door on any player we can't afford it in present circumstances wger I believe we will struggle for couple years at least . We lack physicality to the point where we will get bullied .
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Replying To Formertownie: "I think if you check current panel several of the hurlers played foitball with county first inc. Chin . Some of the footballers may not have the hurling ability on occasion but anyone with county football will have the s&c done which is a huge part of modern intercounty game.
So yes if a chap is decent hurler but better footballer and not picked for hurling squad encourage him to go football but work on his hurling skills in the hope that he ll improve and at least if he has the s&c and fitness work done he will be somewhere ready for the demands of intercounty . Instead of belittling football and discouraging the lads from playing .
If not let him go back to club and train with his team which may include several players who drag standard down to their comfort level and he may never catch up with s&c of intrcounty .
I d rather see a lad playing intercounty football and work hard on his hurling skillset outside training.
The modern game demands physicality and fitness which is equal in both codes at top level .
Why would hurling management even look at footballers if they had nt got those elements already . In the hope they would improve their hurling if brought in and given the chance .
Communication with these players would be key .
Never close a door on any player we can't afford it in present circumstances wger I believe we will struggle for couple years at least . We lack physicality to the point where we will get bullied ." Our underage teams, minor and u20, the last couple of years haven't lacked for size and physicality, thanks to the great work they are doing now all the way up. I think the days of us being bullied physically at Senior are coming to an end.
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Replying To Viking66: "Our underage teams, minor and u20, the last couple of years haven't lacked for size and physicality, thanks to the great work they are doing now all the way up. I think the days of us being bullied physically at Senior are coming to an end." This video was on Wexford GAA TV recently which gave a good indication of what's happening. Fair play to all involved https://youtu.be/3DpUzEW1r5Q?si=nh1fBJcaJJ8dknYT
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 188 - 03/12/2024 21:17:35
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Replying To Viking66: "Our underage teams, minor and u20, the last couple of years haven't lacked for size and physicality, thanks to the great work they are doing now all the way up. I think the days of us being bullied physically at Senior are coming to an end." I agree what's coming is are in better shape physically . But on next couple years we will struggle . Not being a pessimist just being realistic. Unless I m not seeing things from what I ce seen in championship does nt fair well . Now hopefully I am wrong and sometimes the better the standard the players may step up and shine and surprise us . But at present with players retiring and travelling we are thread bare . That's just my opinion I really hope I m wrong .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 305 - 04/12/2024 14:03:50
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Replying To Formertownie: "I agree what's coming is are in better shape physically . But on next couple years we will struggle . Not being a pessimist just being realistic. Unless I m not seeing things from what I ce seen in championship does nt fair well . Now hopefully I am wrong and sometimes the better the standard the players may step up and shine and surprise us . But at present with players retiring and travelling we are thread bare . That's just my opinion I really hope I m wrong ." We need a conveyor belt delivering 2 or 3 new lads every year capable of playing and winning intercounty championship games. I think that's what the outgoing chairman and the lads in Games Development have been trying to build the last few years. Hopefully we will see positive results over the next few years.
Definitely as a county I think we are closer to achieving this since we have been since the late 60s/early 70s. But we need people to keep putting more work into u8s-u12s in every club and school.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 04/12/2024 14:23:11
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It's a by product of the davy era where he did nt really develop much talent ie lads aged between 23 to 27 now .
Lessons should be learned and any managers of our county team needs to be given instruction to introduce at least 3 new players to the squad every year of course they need to be up to it but also given the chance . It's when the older lads retire like dee, matt etc there is a gap . Between younger and older and not enough lads in their prine years .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 305 - 04/12/2024 21:13:11
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Replying To Formertownie: "I agree what's coming is are in better shape physically . But on next couple years we will struggle . Not being a pessimist just being realistic. Unless I m not seeing things from what I ce seen in championship does nt fair well . Now hopefully I am wrong and sometimes the better the standard the players may step up and shine and surprise us . But at present with players retiring and travelling we are thread bare . That's just my opinion I really hope I m wrong ." I would be of the opposite view, is that I actually think a couple of the older players holding onto starting Jersies are holding us back and keeping a few younger lads on the bench who need a proper run of games.
Great servants but 2 or 3 are slowing down at this level.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 835 - 04/12/2024 21:16:39
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Replying To Formertownie: "It's a by product of the davy era where he did nt really develop much talent ie lads aged between 23 to 27 now .
Lessons should be learned and any managers of our county team needs to be given instruction to introduce at least 3 new players to the squad every year of course they need to be up to it but also given the chance . It's when the older lads retire like dee, matt etc there is a gap . Between younger and older and not enough lads in their prine years ." Dee hasn't played a big role since 22 in fairness. A loss alright but we haven't really had him the last two years.
Thought Matt was well below his usual standard in 23 but had a decent season last year.
Patsy Molloy is one that just has to get league games. Has all the makings of a great player.
Eoin Ryan developing very nicely and has an incredible skill levels.
We still need to find a commanding centre back to get the best out of Damien Reck who's the best hurler we have in my view.
I am much more worried about forwards.
S Reck, d Reck, jippo are nailed on. Probably Eoin Ryan, hopefully patsy then one up for grabs depending on Matt. Should see Firman involved.
Hearne is a cert for midfield. I actually suspect Conor Foley will be tested here.
Forwards much harder to pick. Chin, Mac, Rory and Byrne. Outside of that there's possibly two up for grabs assuming Mogie will make an announcement.
We need to be looking at primary possession winners. I'd hope to see oisin Foley back and hopefully conal Clancy. Are we going to see the best of Jack? Mahoney of barntown maybe. Richie Lawlor could build on last year, Jack Doran too Tucker will get a few games I'm sure.
Still have Dunbar, Casey, CBD, possibly flood back.
I'm looking forward to seeing who of last year's 20s Will be involved early.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3223 - 04/12/2024 22:32:01
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Dee hasn't played a big role since 22 in fairness. A loss alright but we haven't really had him the last two years.
Thought Matt was well below his usual standard in 23 but had a decent season last year.
Patsy Molloy is one that just has to get league games. Has all the makings of a great player.
Eoin Ryan developing very nicely and has an incredible skill levels.
We still need to find a commanding centre back to get the best out of Damien Reck who's the best hurler we have in my view.
I am much more worried about forwards.
S Reck, d Reck, jippo are nailed on. Probably Eoin Ryan, hopefully patsy then one up for grabs depending on Matt. Should see Firman involved.
Hearne is a cert for midfield. I actually suspect Conor Foley will be tested here.
Forwards much harder to pick. Chin, Mac, Rory and Byrne. Outside of that there's possibly two up for grabs assuming Mogie will make an announcement.
We need to be looking at primary possession winners. I'd hope to see oisin Foley back and hopefully conal Clancy. Are we going to see the best of Jack? Mahoney of barntown maybe. Richie Lawlor could build on last year, Jack Doran too Tucker will get a few games I'm sure.
Still have Dunbar, Casey, CBD, possibly flood back.
I'm looking forward to seeing who of last year's 20s Will be involved early." Molloy is nowhere near it. Suggesting he is shows where people think Wexford hurling is at. To go with mentioning JAck Doran and Kinsella.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 05/12/2024 08:40:42
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Dee hasn't played a big role since 22 in fairness. A loss alright but we haven't really had him the last two years.
Thought Matt was well below his usual standard in 23 but had a decent season last year.
Patsy Molloy is one that just has to get league games. Has all the makings of a great player.
Eoin Ryan developing very nicely and has an incredible skill levels.
We still need to find a commanding centre back to get the best out of Damien Reck who's the best hurler we have in my view.
I am much more worried about forwards.
S Reck, d Reck, jippo are nailed on. Probably Eoin Ryan, hopefully patsy then one up for grabs depending on Matt. Should see Firman involved.
Hearne is a cert for midfield. I actually suspect Conor Foley will be tested here.
Forwards much harder to pick. Chin, Mac, Rory and Byrne. Outside of that there's possibly two up for grabs assuming Mogie will make an announcement.
We need to be looking at primary possession winners. I'd hope to see oisin Foley back and hopefully conal Clancy. Are we going to see the best of Jack? Mahoney of barntown maybe. Richie Lawlor could build on last year, Jack Doran too Tucker will get a few games I'm sure.
Still have Dunbar, Casey, CBD, possibly flood back.
I'm looking forward to seeing who of last year's 20s Will be involved early." Conor Mahoney. Not sure if Cathal Dunbar will commit. Mark and James Byrne are other younger forwards who have potential. Hopefully Cathal Doyle will get a run in the League, even in a poor team that got relegated his scoring rate from play per minute on the pitch was higher than anyone elses in this year's club championship, as it has been the last few years. Of the older lads Jacko still has something to offer too.
Patsy and CBD are the 2 players who I'd like to see most play regularly in the League, Mike Kelly and Micharl Dundon have good size and hurling also. I also think Darragh Kehoe and Eoin Whelan are the most likely u20s to step up this year, especially Whelan, although I think Parker and Wickham have plenty to offer if they keep improving over the next couple of years. Andy and Justin Moran are 2 others I'd like to see more of in challenge and League games. Of next year's current u20s Cillian Byrne, Simon Roche and Simon Rowley all have great potential also, but I'd rather see them playing u20 come championship.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 05/12/2024 09:15:11
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Dee hasn't played a big role since 22 in fairness. A loss alright but we haven't really had him the last two years.
Thought Matt was well below his usual standard in 23 but had a decent season last year.
Patsy Molloy is one that just has to get league games. Has all the makings of a great player.
Eoin Ryan developing very nicely and has an incredible skill levels.
We still need to find a commanding centre back to get the best out of Damien Reck who's the best hurler we have in my view.
I am much more worried about forwards.
S Reck, d Reck, jippo are nailed on. Probably Eoin Ryan, hopefully patsy then one up for grabs depending on Matt. Should see Firman involved.
Hearne is a cert for midfield. I actually suspect Conor Foley will be tested here.
Forwards much harder to pick. Chin, Mac, Rory and Byrne. Outside of that there's possibly two up for grabs assuming Mogie will make an announcement.
We need to be looking at primary possession winners. I'd hope to see oisin Foley back and hopefully conal Clancy. Are we going to see the best of Jack? Mahoney of barntown maybe. Richie Lawlor could build on last year, Jack Doran too Tucker will get a few games I'm sure.
Still have Dunbar, Casey, CBD, possibly flood back.
I'm looking forward to seeing who of last year's 20s Will be involved early." All valid points except I would completely disagree on D Reck being our best hurler.
Chin is by a good distance our best player and has been for a number of years, I would have ROC on his day in second place.
I didnt think D Reck had a great season last year by his standards. As you stated I think he needs to move out of the Centre to the wing. He tends to drift too much from the centre as he likes to attack and play loosely. This approach would be better suited to the wing. Conall Clancy needs to be given time on the field, he was a stand out performer in the club championship. Bringing him on for 15 mins or taking him off at HT isnt enough in my opinion. Leave him wing forward for most of the league and see how he gets on. His pace and power are suited to intercounty and we are desperately short on forwards as has been the case for years. O Foley wont be back by all accounts which is big shame. Conal Flood needs to be given a proper chance in the forwards also. S Casey had a good league but seemed to disappear completely from the pecking order come championship. He didnt figure well for Oylegate in the championship after that so I am not sure where he will be this season with the county.
Has Darren Codd been asked to come in before? He was outstanding for the martins this year so he has to be in if he wants to be obvioulsy.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Molloy is nowhere near it. Suggesting he is shows where people think Wexford hurling is at. To go with mentioning JAck Doran and Kinsella." Think of the 3 of them Patsy has the best chance longterm tbh countyman.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 05/12/2024 09:46:16
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Replying To countyman2022: "Molloy is nowhere near it. Suggesting he is shows where people think Wexford hurling is at. To go with mentioning JAck Doran and Kinsella." Think of the 3 of them Patsy has the best chance longterm tbh countyman.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 05/12/2024 09:46:22
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Replying To countyman2022: "Molloy is nowhere near it. Suggesting he is shows where people think Wexford hurling is at. To go with mentioning JAck Doran and Kinsella." That's your view. Who are you proposing? Was Matt better at that level of experience?
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "All valid points except I would completely disagree on D Reck being our best hurler.
Chin is by a good distance our best player and has been for a number of years, I would have ROC on his day in second place.
I didnt think D Reck had a great season last year by his standards. As you stated I think he needs to move out of the Centre to the wing. He tends to drift too much from the centre as he likes to attack and play loosely. This approach would be better suited to the wing. Conall Clancy needs to be given time on the field, he was a stand out performer in the club championship. Bringing him on for 15 mins or taking him off at HT isnt enough in my opinion. Leave him wing forward for most of the league and see how he gets on. His pace and power are suited to intercounty and we are desperately short on forwards as has been the case for years. O Foley wont be back by all accounts which is big shame. Conal Flood needs to be given a proper chance in the forwards also. S Casey had a good league but seemed to disappear completely from the pecking order come championship. He didnt figure well for Oylegate in the championship after that so I am not sure where he will be this season with the county.
Has Darren Codd been asked to come in before? He was outstanding for the martins this year so he has to be in if he wants to be obvioulsy." I won't go over old ground. Chin is our most important player. For context I think Reck is the most natural we have in all the aspects of the game. Fielding, touch, vision, decision making, striking, control, balance. I think Chin has to work harder to have developed those skills that have come more naturally to Reck and Rory of course.
Similar to Rory McCarthy back in the day. Not always our most effective player, but probably the best pure hurler of his era.
I don't know about Codd but I agree. He's shown enough to be given a go.
Casey is a hard one to judge. We played to his strengths in the league then abandoned a very good gameplan when chin was playing and were worse off for it.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3223 - 05/12/2024 09:59:41
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Replying To countyman2022: "Molloy is nowhere near it. Suggesting he is shows where people think Wexford hurling is at. To go with mentioning JAck Doran and Kinsella." I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion either. A standout player on good under age teams. He played two senior matches last year and was excellent in both of them.
Although from what I hear temperament is an issue.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3223 - 05/12/2024 10:01:16
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Replying To Viking66: "Conor Mahoney. Not sure if Cathal Dunbar will commit. Mark and James Byrne are other younger forwards who have potential. Hopefully Cathal Doyle will get a run in the League, even in a poor team that got relegated his scoring rate from play per minute on the pitch was higher than anyone elses in this year's club championship, as it has been the last few years. Of the older lads Jacko still has something to offer too.
Patsy and CBD are the 2 players who I'd like to see most play regularly in the League, Mike Kelly and Micharl Dundon have good size and hurling also. I also think Darragh Kehoe and Eoin Whelan are the most likely u20s to step up this year, especially Whelan, although I think Parker and Wickham have plenty to offer if they keep improving over the next couple of years. Andy and Justin Moran are 2 others I'd like to see more of in challenge and League games. Of next year's current u20s Cillian Byrne, Simon Roche and Simon Rowley all have great potential also, but I'd rather see them playing u20 come championship." Jack Redmond and Rory Higgins have to be worth another look also. Posted that before.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 05/12/2024 10:01:51
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Replying To countyman2022: "Molloy is nowhere near it. Suggesting he is shows where people think Wexford hurling is at. To go with mentioning JAck Doran and Kinsella." The names we are putting forward aren't people who are going to be good enough to win AI finals next year, but maybe have the potential at some stage in the future, given proper development.
If any of them were good enough already they'd already be starting.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 05/12/2024 10:04:12
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Replying To Viking66: "Think of the 3 of them Patsy has the best chance longterm tbh countyman." Dont think any of the 3 will come near championship.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 05/12/2024 10:26:08
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "All valid points except I would completely disagree on D Reck being our best hurler.
Chin is by a good distance our best player and has been for a number of years, I would have ROC on his day in second place.
I didnt think D Reck had a great season last year by his standards. As you stated I think he needs to move out of the Centre to the wing. He tends to drift too much from the centre as he likes to attack and play loosely. This approach would be better suited to the wing. Conall Clancy needs to be given time on the field, he was a stand out performer in the club championship. Bringing him on for 15 mins or taking him off at HT isnt enough in my opinion. Leave him wing forward for most of the league and see how he gets on. His pace and power are suited to intercounty and we are desperately short on forwards as has been the case for years. O Foley wont be back by all accounts which is big shame. Conal Flood needs to be given a proper chance in the forwards also. S Casey had a good league but seemed to disappear completely from the pecking order come championship. He didnt figure well for Oylegate in the championship after that so I am not sure where he will be this season with the county.
Has Darren Codd been asked to come in before? He was outstanding for the martins this year so he has to be in if he wants to be obvioulsy." Who do you think should play 6 for us next year?
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