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Replying To Viking66: "Maybe but are they as good? I'd imagine like in any other job there are good ones and ones not so good." My exact thought viking.
I said exactly that to a friend yesterday.
Like in any job you care to mention. There will be very good, good, okay, poor and very poor.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 10/07/2024 13:20:17
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I know some on here were saying we wouldn't have been able to match what Cork did against Limerick but when you see Clare winning the All-Ireland having only just squeezed by Kilkenny in the SFs, it'd make you think we're not a million miles off the pace
I'd like to think that if we were to win Leinster next year (Could conceivably win every match in the round-robin and could conceivably lose every match given our form these last few years), we'd be able to go toe-to-toe with whoever we'd face in the AISF and who knows, maybe luck would be on our side like Clare this year
Biggest problem for me is mental though; we'll never be good enough until we believe ourselves that we're good enough, might be an attitude that's a bit delusional but show me any sportsperson without belief in themselves and I'll show you a serial loser
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 353 - 21/07/2024 21:20:00
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I know some on here were saying we wouldn't have been able to match what Cork did against Limerick but when you see Clare winning the All-Ireland having only just squeezed by Kilkenny in the SFs, it'd make you think we're not a million miles off the pace
I'd like to think that if we were to win Leinster next year (Could conceivably win every match in the round-robin and could conceivably lose every match given our form these last few years), we'd be able to go toe-to-toe with whoever we'd face in the AISF and who knows, maybe luck would be on our side like Clare this year
Biggest problem for me is mental though; we'll never be good enough until we believe ourselves that we're good enough, might be an attitude that's a bit delusional but show me any sportsperson without belief in themselves and I'll show you a serial loser" I agree with you. The Munster teams do seem to have an extra gear but I think if Clare can do it so can we. We just badly need to develop some composure and obviously consistency.
In spite of what happened to Rory I felt they'd have beaten us anyway but mainly in Leinster it's hard not to think what might have been.
The calamity of 90 seconds against Dublin, the panic under pressure in Antrim, going to sleep for 15 minutes in Kilkenny when they were very much there for the taking. Going into aisf as provincial champions is just a totally different thing.
Looking ahead we'll lose Matt, Dee, mogie and I think that's it.
Foleys back, hopefully Carty, flood. Stay injury free, build our fitness another bit and settle into the plan. Rossi will have learned loads. I can't wait for it. Kilkenny will be doing a bit of a rebuild, Galway also need a shake up. It could be a very important year for us. Equally we could fall flat on our faces. The difference between years one and two for Egan were chalk and cheese. Into a long winter of classic matches, highlight reels and soul searching, all building for that time at the beginning of 25 where we'll dream big for a while.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 21/07/2024 22:09:11
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I agree with you. The Munster teams do seem to have an extra gear but I think if Clare can do it so can we. We just badly need to develop some composure and obviously consistency.
In spite of what happened to Rory I felt they'd have beaten us anyway but mainly in Leinster it's hard not to think what might have been.
The calamity of 90 seconds against Dublin, the panic under pressure in Antrim, going to sleep for 15 minutes in Kilkenny when they were very much there for the taking. Going into aisf as provincial champions is just a totally different thing.
Looking ahead we'll lose Matt, Dee, mogie and I think that's it.
Foleys back, hopefully Carty, flood. Stay injury free, build our fitness another bit and settle into the plan. Rossi will have learned loads. I can't wait for it. Kilkenny will be doing a bit of a rebuild, Galway also need a shake up. It could be a very important year for us. Equally we could fall flat on our faces. The difference between years one and two for Egan were chalk and cheese. Into a long winter of classic matches, highlight reels and soul searching, all building for that time at the beginning of 25 where we'll dream big for a while." Next year there is definitely a massive chance to win Leinster, Kilkenny at home and against a rebuilding Galway away will be pivotal, a lot will transpire between now and the end of the year club championship, retirements etc.
Complete collapses as seen in the first two games in Leinster and against Kilkenny for those 25 mins can't be accepted though if we're going to get there. With all due respect to Dublin and Antrim, Kilkenny wouldn't drop points from the positions we were in against both sides
Keith and management will definitely have learned a lot from this year…If Foley, Eoin Ryan and Cian Byrne can get to the next level in their development we're definitely going in the right direction as I can see them being mainstays in the next 10 years. I'm really hoping also Paudie Foley can be convinced by management to come back next year, as some one mentioned on the club thread a fully fit Connall Flood would be a very welcome edition too.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 144 - 21/07/2024 23:03:04
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I agree with you. The Munster teams do seem to have an extra gear but I think if Clare can do it so can we. We just badly need to develop some composure and obviously consistency.
In spite of what happened to Rory I felt they'd have beaten us anyway but mainly in Leinster it's hard not to think what might have been.
The calamity of 90 seconds against Dublin, the panic under pressure in Antrim, going to sleep for 15 minutes in Kilkenny when they were very much there for the taking. Going into aisf as provincial champions is just a totally different thing.
Looking ahead we'll lose Matt, Dee, mogie and I think that's it.
Foleys back, hopefully Carty, flood. Stay injury free, build our fitness another bit and settle into the plan. Rossi will have learned loads. I can't wait for it. Kilkenny will be doing a bit of a rebuild, Galway also need a shake up. It could be a very important year for us. Equally we could fall flat on our faces. The difference between years one and two for Egan were chalk and cheese. Into a long winter of classic matches, highlight reels and soul searching, all building for that time at the beginning of 25 where we'll dream big for a while." Dream big every January I reckon! Time enough to be down about the teams when they go out. Really don't get lads being down on our teams when they are still in the hunt!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 21/07/2024 23:03:35
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I agree with you. The Munster teams do seem to have an extra gear but I think if Clare can do it so can we. We just badly need to develop some composure and obviously consistency.
In spite of what happened to Rory I felt they'd have beaten us anyway but mainly in Leinster it's hard not to think what might have been.
The calamity of 90 seconds against Dublin, the panic under pressure in Antrim, going to sleep for 15 minutes in Kilkenny when they were very much there for the taking. Going into aisf as provincial champions is just a totally different thing.
Looking ahead we'll lose Matt, Dee, mogie and I think that's it.
Foleys back, hopefully Carty, flood. Stay injury free, build our fitness another bit and settle into the plan. Rossi will have learned loads. I can't wait for it. Kilkenny will be doing a bit of a rebuild, Galway also need a shake up. It could be a very important year for us. Equally we could fall flat on our faces. The difference between years one and two for Egan were chalk and cheese. Into a long winter of classic matches, highlight reels and soul searching, all building for that time at the beginning of 25 where we'll dream big for a while." To be honest think we are way off the level of hurling we saw both yesterday and cork/limerick semi final.
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No offence to Wexford or any of the Leinster teams, but the Munster teams have a gear above what the whole province of Leinster hurls at because they need to get to it to get out of their province. Hurl in 3rd gear in Munster and you will get beaten out the gate.
The whole province of Leinster need to up our game and play the game at a higher level or we will forever be meeting Munster teams battle hardened from hurling at a higher level.
The time for excuses is over. Kilkenny even need to up their game. Losing to Carlow WTF and Wexford annihilate them the next week? Wexford losing to Antrim and the vibe was "they are a different animal in Corrigan Park" WTF? If you can't beat Antrim in Corrigan Park how can you expect to beat Cork or Limerick or Clare in front of 82k people?
We have to massively up our game as a province because we are playing second fiddle at the moment.
Talk about sports psychologists, etc is bullology. They might help a serial loser get a big win but the best way to turn a serial loser in to a winner is to beat teams at under age and then when they get to senior the attitude is "who are these boys, the ones we beat by 5 points in the U20 final"? That is what makes a winner, not sitting talking to a sports psychologist.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "To be honest think we are way off the level of hurling we saw both yesterday and cork/limerick semi final." Totally, in sheer physicality alone we are way off.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "No offence to Wexford or any of the Leinster teams, but the Munster teams have a gear above what the whole province of Leinster hurls at because they need to get to it to get out of their province. Hurl in 3rd gear in Munster and you will get beaten out the gate.
The whole province of Leinster need to up our game and play the game at a higher level or we will forever be meeting Munster teams battle hardened from hurling at a higher level.
The time for excuses is over. Kilkenny even need to up their game. Losing to Carlow WTF and Wexford annihilate them the next week? Wexford losing to Antrim and the vibe was "they are a different animal in Corrigan Park" WTF? If you can't beat Antrim in Corrigan Park how can you expect to beat Cork or Limerick or Clare in front of 82k people?
We have to massively up our game as a province because we are playing second fiddle at the moment.
Talk about sports psychologists, etc is bullology. They might help a serial loser get a big win but the best way to turn a serial loser in to a winner is to beat teams at under age and then when they get to senior the attitude is "who are these boys, the ones we beat by 5 points in the U20 final"? That is what makes a winner, not sitting talking to a sports psychologist." Watched a large number of Munster minor and u20 games this year. They're played at much higher pace and level of intensity than Leinster underage. I've no doubt it's the same with harty cup in schools
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 22/07/2024 10:10:52
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Watched a large number of Munster minor and u20 games this year. They're played at much higher pace and level of intensity than Leinster underage. I've no doubt it's the same with harty cup in schools" That doesn't really translate at under 20 all Ireland though.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 22/07/2024 10:48:19
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Watched a large number of Munster minor and u20 games this year. They're played at much higher pace and level of intensity than Leinster underage. I've no doubt it's the same with harty cup in schools" Munster underage better than Leinster this year? Or last few years? Not sure that. I watched a good few myself, as I do every year, nearly all of them in fact, and I don't agree. Our u20s this year had serious issues as regards players not playing for management, and team set up. Offalys u20s won the AI title. Our minors absolutely hammered Corks. Galways beat Waterford handily also. The Munster minor championship overall wasn't much to write home about tbh, although Tipp were the standout team from either province all the way through.
Last year Corks u20s were the best in the country, but the year before Kilkenny won the u20 AI. Ours only lost to Kilkennys by 1 point that year, as did Galways. Dublin only lost to us by the same.
Last year we only lost narrowly to Offaly but beat Kilkennys twice, who also beat Galway. We lost to Dublin and Galway.
At u16 ourselves and Kilkenny were in the Michael Foley cup final last year, after beating both Cork and Tipp.
Leinster is competitive enough with Munster at underage, minor and u20 I think.
Will take time for that to feed up to Senior though, where the top Munster Counties have definitely been better with the exception of Kilkenny the last few years. Limerick especially.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 22/07/2024 11:43:26
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "No offence to Wexford or any of the Leinster teams, but the Munster teams have a gear above what the whole province of Leinster hurls at because they need to get to it to get out of their province. Hurl in 3rd gear in Munster and you will get beaten out the gate.
The whole province of Leinster need to up our game and play the game at a higher level or we will forever be meeting Munster teams battle hardened from hurling at a higher level.
The time for excuses is over. Kilkenny even need to up their game. Losing to Carlow WTF and Wexford annihilate them the next week? Wexford losing to Antrim and the vibe was "they are a different animal in Corrigan Park" WTF? If you can't beat Antrim in Corrigan Park how can you expect to beat Cork or Limerick or Clare in front of 82k people?
We have to massively up our game as a province because we are playing second fiddle at the moment.
Talk about sports psychologists, etc is bullology. They might help a serial loser get a big win but the best way to turn a serial loser in to a winner is to beat teams at under age and then when they get to senior the attitude is "who are these boys, the ones we beat by 5 points in the U20 final"? That is what makes a winner, not sitting talking to a sports psychologist." Limerick is full of winners, yet as soon as Currid goes they're beaten. How do you explain that?
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 22/07/2024 11:47:01
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Limerick is full of winners, yet as soon as Currid goes they're beaten. How do you explain that?" To suggest limerick didn't win this year's all Ireland is down to currid's departure is ludicrous. They lost an epic semi final by a puck of the ball
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 22/07/2024 12:27:54
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Replying To Viking66: "Munster underage better than Leinster this year? Or last few years? Not sure that. I watched a good few myself, as I do every year, nearly all of them in fact, and I don't agree. Our u20s this year had serious issues as regards players not playing for management, and team set up. Offalys u20s won the AI title. Our minors absolutely hammered Corks. Galways beat Waterford handily also. The Munster minor championship overall wasn't much to write home about tbh, although Tipp were the standout team from either province all the way through.
Last year Corks u20s were the best in the country, but the year before Kilkenny won the u20 AI. Ours only lost to Kilkennys by 1 point that year, as did Galways. Dublin only lost to us by the same.
Last year we only lost narrowly to Offaly but beat Kilkennys twice, who also beat Galway. We lost to Dublin and Galway.
At u16 ourselves and Kilkenny were in the Michael Foley cup final last year, after beating both Cork and Tipp.
Leinster is competitive enough with Munster at underage, minor and u20 I think.
Will take time for that to feed up to Senior though, where the top Munster Counties have definitely been better with the exception of Kilkenny the last few years. Limerick especially." I'm not talking about results versus Munster teams. I'm just pointing out that the Munster games at underage are played with greater intensity and pace so players are conditioned to the standards required as they progress to senior. My son was at the game yesterday and he said the game was unrecognisable from any game he's ever seen before
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 22/07/2024 12:33:34
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Limerick is full of winners, yet as soon as Currid goes they're beaten. How do you explain that?" It's called hurling and been beaten by a better team on the day.
They were also beaten in 2019 when currid was there.
The idea that Linerick lost this year because they have a different psychologist is bonkers, even the stats pointed to the fact their display against Cork was up there with any top performance they had done in years previous, they were beaten by a better team on the day.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "To suggest limerick didn't win this year's all Ireland is down to currid's departure is ludicrous. They lost an epic semi final by a puck of the ball" Maybe they would've won it by a puck of a ball if she had of been still there though is Doylers point? Who knows.....
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 22/07/2024 12:38:48
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I'm not talking about results versus Munster teams. I'm just pointing out that the Munster games at underage are played with greater intensity and pace so players are conditioned to the standards required as they progress to senior. My son was at the game yesterday and he said the game was unrecognisable from any game he's ever seen before" Did you watch Waterford v Limerick at minor this year? Waterford v Cork? Even either Tipp v Clare game weren't great tbh. Galway v Dublin? Kilkenny v Wexford?
Agree 100% with your son about yesterday though. Best game I can remember ever being at tbh from a hurling point of view.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 22/07/2024 13:45:55
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Replying To Viking66: "Munster underage better than Leinster this year? Or last few years? Not sure that. I watched a good few myself, as I do every year, nearly all of them in fact, and I don't agree. Our u20s this year had serious issues as regards players not playing for management, and team set up. Offalys u20s won the AI title. Our minors absolutely hammered Corks. Galways beat Waterford handily also. The Munster minor championship overall wasn't much to write home about tbh, although Tipp were the standout team from either province all the way through.
Last year Corks u20s were the best in the country, but the year before Kilkenny won the u20 AI. Ours only lost to Kilkennys by 1 point that year, as did Galways. Dublin only lost to us by the same.
Last year we only lost narrowly to Offaly but beat Kilkennys twice, who also beat Galway. We lost to Dublin and Galway.
At u16 ourselves and Kilkenny were in the Michael Foley cup final last year, after beating both Cork and Tipp.
Leinster is competitive enough with Munster at underage, minor and u20 I think.
Will take time for that to feed up to Senior though, where the top Munster Counties have definitely been better with the exception of Kilkenny the last few years. Limerick especially." Viking,
There is no point in "they beat them by a point and they beat us by a point so that makes us 2 points off them". If you apply that to the n-th degree, Carlow are as good as Clare because they drew with Kilkenny who Clare only beat by a couple of points.
Here is what matters :
1. Who picks up the cups at the end of the championship.
2. Nothing here
Everything, absolutely everything else falls in to the "if me granny had balls....." category because nothing else matters. How any team got there is unimportant. Clare picked up the cup and they were a 65 away from maybe not getting out of Munster if I am remembering right.
Wexford need to stop clutching at straws and start asking why we are not getting over the line these teams and start standing up for themselves. They should simply have refused to play that quarter final at 2pm in Thurles and given a walk over if needed.
Rossi should be getting on to the referees committee to explain why Johnny Murphy booked Rory O'Connor and a similar tackle in the semi final went completely unpunished. Yesterday, Tony Kelly got chopped down on similar to Rory's 2nd yellow and was holding his hand. Nothing given. Why are we getting treated so badly by referees and why don't we stand up for ourselves and become sore losers because being loved by everyone and everybodys 2nd favourite team is getting us nowhere.
We need answers to why we are doing so badly at schools hurling OVERALL and don't start with "Peters beat Kierans in 2021" or pointing at one off results as if it matters. It doesn't. What matters is who picked up the cup.
These things can turn around quickly and Clare have shipped some bad hammerings at u20 and u21 in 2017/18 (I know because a good friend was hurling for Limerick team who beat them both years) yet several of that team won All-Ireland medals yesterday. Diarmuid Ryan, Jason McCarthy, Aidan McCarthy are 3 I know off the top of my head.
What worries me more in Wexford is where are the minor and u20 "stars" and I don't believe we've had a star u20 since Conor McDonald. We have had very good players and some are pushing on to become better players, but we've had no "wow" player since him. That is not to diss any player, its a hard game but my point is I don't think at club or county Wexford hurl at the intensity of the top counties and no way could Wexford replicate the intensity of yesterday for 90 minutes as Clare needed to do yesterday. Our clubs record in Leinster is brutal and we lose to clubs from Offaly and Laois routinely which says it all about our club standard.
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Replying To Viking66: "Did you watch Waterford v Limerick at minor this year? Waterford v Cork? Even either Tipp v Clare game weren't great tbh. Galway v Dublin? Kilkenny v Wexford?
Agree 100% with your son about yesterday though. Best game I can remember ever being at tbh from a hurling point of view." Its all conjecture Viking66.
Did you see Cork v Dublin and compare it to Cork v Limerick either day or yesterday? Or Clare v Wexford compared to yesterday? Worlds apart.
As Storeytash says, all that matters is who won at the end of it. Clare won't remember the quarter final v Wexford, or even the semi final v Kilkenny which was poor. They will remember yesterday and that is all that is worth remembering.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Viking,
There is no point in "they beat them by a point and they beat us by a point so that makes us 2 points off them". If you apply that to the n-th degree, Carlow are as good as Clare because they drew with Kilkenny who Clare only beat by a couple of points.
Here is what matters :
1. Who picks up the cups at the end of the championship.
2. Nothing here
Everything, absolutely everything else falls in to the "if me granny had balls....." category because nothing else matters. How any team got there is unimportant. Clare picked up the cup and they were a 65 away from maybe not getting out of Munster if I am remembering right.
Wexford need to stop clutching at straws and start asking why we are not getting over the line these teams and start standing up for themselves. They should simply have refused to play that quarter final at 2pm in Thurles and given a walk over if needed.
Rossi should be getting on to the referees committee to explain why Johnny Murphy booked Rory O'Connor and a similar tackle in the semi final went completely unpunished. Yesterday, Tony Kelly got chopped down on similar to Rory's 2nd yellow and was holding his hand. Nothing given. Why are we getting treated so badly by referees and why don't we stand up for ourselves and become sore losers because being loved by everyone and everybodys 2nd favourite team is getting us nowhere.
We need answers to why we are doing so badly at schools hurling OVERALL and don't start with "Peters beat Kierans in 2021" or pointing at one off results as if it matters. It doesn't. What matters is who picked up the cup.
These things can turn around quickly and Clare have shipped some bad hammerings at u20 and u21 in 2017/18 (I know because a good friend was hurling for Limerick team who beat them both years) yet several of that team won All-Ireland medals yesterday. Diarmuid Ryan, Jason McCarthy, Aidan McCarthy are 3 I know off the top of my head.
What worries me more in Wexford is where are the minor and u20 "stars" and I don't believe we've had a star u20 since Conor McDonald. We have had very good players and some are pushing on to become better players, but we've had no "wow" player since him. That is not to diss any player, its a hard game but my point is I don't think at club or county Wexford hurl at the intensity of the top counties and no way could Wexford replicate the intensity of yesterday for 90 minutes as Clare needed to do yesterday. Our clubs record in Leinster is brutal and we lose to clubs from Offaly and Laois routinely which says it all about our club standard." You should read my post again. And the post I was answering. Both weren't really about Wexford at all. The post I was answering was pointing out which championships were played at higher intensity, as well as who won the cups. And what province they were from.
This year Offaly won the u20 cup in the only game between a Munster and Leinster team at that grade. They are from Leinster. Tipp won minor, they are from Munster. Those are both facts. Also facts- at minor this year in championship games Wexford hammered Cork. Kilkenny beat Clare. Galway beat Waterford well. 4 teams from each province contested the AI series. 4 of the last 6 counties were from Leinster. It's just not true to say Munster counties were better at minor than Leinster counties, with the exception of Tipp, who were deserving winners. And it's also definitely not true to say Munster counties were better at u20, as a Leinster county won the only championship game between counties from the 2 provinces.
The top scorer in this year's minor hurling championship was Sean O Brien, who will still be minor next year. He's from Rathgarogue-Cushinstown by the way.
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