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I can't understand there is no thread on this?
This is why many people are walking away from the GAA.
The game is supposed to be a hobby.
Covid was the great awakener for many young people, and people are now shrugging their shoulders and saying "nah".
Imagine the genius who sat down to write those "requirements" thinking he was some Stalinist dictator who can tell these young players they can't have a drink for 5 months, or go on a weekend away or to a music festival.
"Pre-Xmas individual running......." for a championship starting in 8 months time?
"No other sporting commitments past June". Can I play darts or lawn bowls, is it a sport?
I am playing Aussie Rules at a good enough level now. I've got fitness tests done here and was as fit after a 7 week pre-season than I ever was playing GAA. The training is not any harder. So what is the 8+ months of training for?
After every game here, we all go for 1-2 beers if we want. But its left up to the players. Everybody doesn't go every week. All go for an easy run the following morning to recover, back to training then during the week. Again, have got my fitness tested - no difference.
We got to a cup final and won it, we didn't win our league but came 2nd. We had 1 night out after winning the cup and 1 after the end of the league, and the team who won the league had a night out as we know players on their team. Not a 6 month drink ban and then a week of drinking after a county final or being knocked out.
It might be only when you step out of this and stop and look that you notice these things, but boy does the GAA look stupid some times. I showed my team mates the "requirements for 2024" and they thought it was the most stupid thing they ever read.
Has everybody in the bubble lost sight of what the GAA is supposed to be about? Participation, fun, exercise, competition, and so on?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1784 - 01/12/2023 12:28:05
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For me the requirements document shows the nativity of the management in that particular club. What happens when the star player(s) have a weekend on the beer? Do they get dropped? In GAA all men are not created equal. Hard rules don't work. Managers have to realise they are dealing with people and not automatons.
MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 206 - 01/12/2023 13:50:59
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@StoreysTash - it's being discussed in the Galway thread.
Delighted for you that things are so fantastic in Australia. As you keep telling us.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2619 - 01/12/2023 13:57:29
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I can't understand there is no thread on this?
This is why many people are walking away from the GAA.
The game is supposed to be a hobby.
Covid was the great awakener for many young people, and people are now shrugging their shoulders and saying "nah".
Imagine the genius who sat down to write those "requirements" thinking he was some Stalinist dictator who can tell these young players they can't have a drink for 5 months, or go on a weekend away or to a music festival.
"Pre-Xmas individual running......." for a championship starting in 8 months time?
"No other sporting commitments past June". Can I play darts or lawn bowls, is it a sport?
I am playing Aussie Rules at a good enough level now. I've got fitness tests done here and was as fit after a 7 week pre-season than I ever was playing GAA. The training is not any harder. So what is the 8+ months of training for?
After every game here, we all go for 1-2 beers if we want. But its left up to the players. Everybody doesn't go every week. All go for an easy run the following morning to recover, back to training then during the week. Again, have got my fitness tested - no difference.
We got to a cup final and won it, we didn't win our league but came 2nd. We had 1 night out after winning the cup and 1 after the end of the league, and the team who won the league had a night out as we know players on their team. Not a 6 month drink ban and then a week of drinking after a county final or being knocked out.
It might be only when you step out of this and stop and look that you notice these things, but boy does the GAA look stupid some times. I showed my team mates the "requirements for 2024" and they thought it was the most stupid thing they ever read.
Has everybody in the bubble lost sight of what the GAA is supposed to be about? Participation, fun, exercise, competition, and so on?" Discussed a little already on the Galway thread.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 01/12/2023 14:26:42
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I can't understand there is no thread on this?
This is why many people are walking away from the GAA.
The game is supposed to be a hobby.
Covid was the great awakener for many young people, and people are now shrugging their shoulders and saying "nah".
Imagine the genius who sat down to write those "requirements" thinking he was some Stalinist dictator who can tell these young players they can't have a drink for 5 months, or go on a weekend away or to a music festival.
"Pre-Xmas individual running......." for a championship starting in 8 months time?
"No other sporting commitments past June". Can I play darts or lawn bowls, is it a sport?
I am playing Aussie Rules at a good enough level now. I've got fitness tests done here and was as fit after a 7 week pre-season than I ever was playing GAA. The training is not any harder. So what is the 8+ months of training for?
After every game here, we all go for 1-2 beers if we want. But its left up to the players. Everybody doesn't go every week. All go for an easy run the following morning to recover, back to training then during the week. Again, have got my fitness tested - no difference.
We got to a cup final and won it, we didn't win our league but came 2nd. We had 1 night out after winning the cup and 1 after the end of the league, and the team who won the league had a night out as we know players on their team. Not a 6 month drink ban and then a week of drinking after a county final or being knocked out.
It might be only when you step out of this and stop and look that you notice these things, but boy does the GAA look stupid some times. I showed my team mates the "requirements for 2024" and they thought it was the most stupid thing they ever read.
Has everybody in the bubble lost sight of what the GAA is supposed to be about? Participation, fun, exercise, competition, and so on?" And still could be a hoax.....
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 01/12/2023 14:27:00
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Seems ridiculous yet no doubt you'd have guys adhering to it. There must be no trust between players and management if they have to log their activity on an app.
I'm all for lads giving a commitment but for club level life is too short to be carrying on like that. You'll miss so much of your life.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 01/12/2023 17:32:24
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Leave inter county aside for the moment. Club football is becoming a chore and not enjoyable. Players are walking away in their droves. It's gone too serious. It's ok if your a big club winning multiple county titles but as for the small clubs struggling…very hard keep lads interested.
Also from a supporters perspective the game is a hard watch these days. Outside managers in it for the few pound are a big problem.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11405 - 03/12/2023 10:08:25
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Replying To Bon: "Seems ridiculous yet no doubt you'd have guys adhering to it. There must be no trust between players and management if they have to log their activity on an app.
I'm all for lads giving a commitment but for club level life is too short to be carrying on like that. You'll miss so much of your life." Concerns valid. Aussie Rules' flexibility contrasts GAA's strictness. Prioritizing fun and participation seems key for sports.
Silverston1 (USA) - Posts: 3 - 03/12/2023 10:49:19
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Stuff like this getting media attention over last number of weeks is very damaging to the GAA. Using the "Carrot and the Stick" management analogy this using of the stick with rules never works and if anything else reflects very poorly on the Manager. A good manager should be able to motivate players to give 100% commitment without a set of rules. Every player is different and will have different commitment outside of GAA. Telling a player with kids he can't go on holidays from June to Oct, telling a student he can go the US on a J1 is ridiculous. It's not good for players mental health to be have to be part of such a dictatorship but unfortunately these charters are becoming more common place across the GAA. Maybe if the GAA clamped down on payments to outside managers\coaches it would help and actually go back to coaches volunteering from within clubs. I'd imagine this charter came from an outside coach trying to justify payments and ultimately using failure of players to comply with rules as a excuse with success does not happen.
journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 04/12/2023 14:23:36
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Replying To journeyman: "Stuff like this getting media attention over last number of weeks is very damaging to the GAA. Using the "Carrot and the Stick" management analogy this using of the stick with rules never works and if anything else reflects very poorly on the Manager. A good manager should be able to motivate players to give 100% commitment without a set of rules. Every player is different and will have different commitment outside of GAA. Telling a player with kids he can't go on holidays from June to Oct, telling a student he can go the US on a J1 is ridiculous. It's not good for players mental health to be have to be part of such a dictatorship but unfortunately these charters are becoming more common place across the GAA. Maybe if the GAA clamped down on payments to outside managers\coaches it would help and actually go back to coaches volunteering from within clubs. I'd imagine this charter came from an outside coach trying to justify payments and ultimately using failure of players to comply with rules as a excuse with success does not happen." Players are worse to take it and put up with it
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 04/12/2023 19:54:24
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Replying To journeyman: "Stuff like this getting media attention over last number of weeks is very damaging to the GAA. Using the "Carrot and the Stick" management analogy this using of the stick with rules never works and if anything else reflects very poorly on the Manager. A good manager should be able to motivate players to give 100% commitment without a set of rules. Every player is different and will have different commitment outside of GAA. Telling a player with kids he can't go on holidays from June to Oct, telling a student he can go the US on a J1 is ridiculous. It's not good for players mental health to be have to be part of such a dictatorship but unfortunately these charters are becoming more common place across the GAA. Maybe if the GAA clamped down on payments to outside managers\coaches it would help and actually go back to coaches volunteering from within clubs. I'd imagine this charter came from an outside coach trying to justify payments and ultimately using failure of players to comply with rules as a excuse with success does not happen." The manager is from the same club as the players. He played in two All Ireland club finals winning one of them with his club. He also played in an All Ireland senior hurling final with his county. I have read recently that the players contributed to the charter. It's hard to know what to believe.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6144 - 05/12/2023 12:32:59
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Replying To Greengrass: "The manager is from the same club as the players. He played in two All Ireland club finals winning one of them with his club. He also played in an All Ireland senior hurling final with his county. I have read recently that the players contributed to the charter. It's hard to know what to believe." Yes, I see some media reports that the players came up with the charter. Not sure if this is better or worse or at attempt from the club to back track. If from the players probably some of the senior players leading the way but unfair to put rules in place that prevent young people from travelling or going out socialising. We need to get away from this stereo typical view of GAA players being mad for nights out at every opportunity that was there 20 years ago. It's each players responsibility to get themselves in the right shape and put in whatever level of commitment in to be part of the team.
journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 06/12/2023 13:47:51
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