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Replying To icehonesty: "There will be more dead rubbers, as the league portion of championship now has far less significance. A few lads carrying injuries? Lets not chance them lads, we just need to have everyone right for the 5th v 6th game. Also I think it's unfair that either 3rd or 4th in a group will exit championship before either 5th or 6th do. Poorly thought out, and they'll revert when they meet this time next year. Thankfully they left football alone." Disagree, think it makes every game important, as viking mentioned above, they won 3 games and had nothing to play for in he last 2. At least now every game should matter, finish in top 2, guaranteed, a quarter final spot, finish 3 or 4th no threat of relegation, 5th or 6th, lose you could be in a relegation final. Also the team that finishes top will be playing the team that finishs 5th or 6th so its a real incentive to finish top.
Happy to see how it goes for this season and then review it at the end of year.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 19/01/2024 13:43:41
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Replying To icehonesty: "There will be more dead rubbers, as the league portion of championship now has far less significance. A few lads carrying injuries? Lets not chance them lads, we just need to have everyone right for the 5th v 6th game. Also I think it's unfair that either 3rd or 4th in a group will exit championship before either 5th or 6th do. Poorly thought out, and they'll revert when they meet this time next year. Thankfully they left football alone." I do think teams that start well will aim to be in top two as if 1st gets to play the winners of 5 v 6 after a week break that is a big advantage. Let`s say for example Oulart beat Crossabeg in a 5 v6 and have to play Gorey the following week you would think Gorey would be massive favourities. It is tough on the losers of 3 v 4. If someone had time to map out last years top 6 and how it would have run it would be interesting!
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Think the reaction to the hurling championship motion being passed just shows how there'll almost always be something divisive at these meetings. Maybe that's a good thing.
Have thought it through some more today, and I'm not sure it will lead to clubs "taking the foot off the pedal" or treating games like dead rubbers to anything like the extent that some people fear.
The reward for finishing first or second is significant. All right, you're no further along than you would have been in "the old way", but you still only have to win three knockout games to be crowned champions, instead of four. That's a big difference.
Maybe the difference between fourth and fifth is not so clearcut. On the one hand, you might think you're better off coming fifth, because then you'd have an "easier" preliminary quarter-final. But winners of those ones will have to play a team that comes first or second, so you'd still have one of the toughest quarter-final assignments going.
And I'd say most clubs would see finishing third or fourth and being safe from relegation as a better thing overall than coming fifth and maybe dropping into a relegation final anyway, even in spite of how you could come third and still go out of the championship earlier than a team that came sixth.
We'll see how it works later in the year anyway!
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Firstly I am a hurling man - no interest in football and never have but we as a county in my opinion have swayed even more towards hurling after last nights meeting
- The split season though not ideal allowed for more concentration on either sport. This suited a lot of football clubs who have started to concentrate more on. Back to the 2/3 week block means yes they will play football but you can bet they will also be concentrating on hurling during the 2/3 weeks they are off. This won't do anything to help Football
- The clubs that played football just because of the split season possibly no longer will .. Oulart & Rathnure jump straight to mind. I am sure there are more. I know of one particular dual senior club that have 80% / 20% on their training this year with 80% been hurling
- The HAC were there in full force with their proposal. There was zero motions from the FAC - They have two separate committees where one is Club and one is County related. The Chairman was even critical for the lack of work they are currently doing
- No club really questioned the option to move from the split season or how it may affect football
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 136 - 19/01/2024 14:43:39
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Firstly I am a hurling man - no interest in football and never have but we as a county in my opinion have swayed even more towards hurling after last nights meeting
- The split season though not ideal allowed for more concentration on either sport. This suited a lot of football clubs who have started to concentrate more on. Back to the 2/3 week block means yes they will play football but you can bet they will also be concentrating on hurling during the 2/3 weeks they are off. This won't do anything to help Football
- The clubs that played football just because of the split season possibly no longer will .. Oulart & Rathnure jump straight to mind. I am sure there are more. I know of one particular dual senior club that have 80% / 20% on their training this year with 80% been hurling
- The HAC were there in full force with their proposal. There was zero motions from the FAC - They have two separate committees where one is Club and one is County related. The Chairman was even critical for the lack of work they are currently doing
- No club really questioned the option to move from the split season or how it may affect football" That cuts 2 ways though. Clubs like Shels, Gusserane, Horeswood, Kilanerin/Tara Rocks, Fethard, St James might not put as much time into their hurling now either. Be interesting to see how the other dual senior clubs like Rapps, Crossabeg, Gorey, Anne's approach the championship. And it will be interesting to see how the Mary's and Sars lads that play for the Harriers divide up their time. At the end of the day it will have to favour Oulart and probably Oylegate, maybe the Martins, and maybe Rathnure and Buffers Alley in Intermediate also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12101 - 19/01/2024 15:10:07
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Firstly I am a hurling man - no interest in football and never have but we as a county in my opinion have swayed even more towards hurling after last nights meeting
- The split season though not ideal allowed for more concentration on either sport. This suited a lot of football clubs who have started to concentrate more on. Back to the 2/3 week block means yes they will play football but you can bet they will also be concentrating on hurling during the 2/3 weeks they are off. This won't do anything to help Football
- The clubs that played football just because of the split season possibly no longer will .. Oulart & Rathnure jump straight to mind. I am sure there are more. I know of one particular dual senior club that have 80% / 20% on their training this year with 80% been hurling
- The HAC were there in full force with their proposal. There was zero motions from the FAC - They have two separate committees where one is Club and one is County related. The Chairman was even critical for the lack of work they are currently doing
- No club really questioned the option to move from the split season or how it may affect football" That cuts 2 ways though. Clubs like Shels, Gusserane, Horeswood, Kilanerin/Tara Rocks, Fethard, St James might not put as much time into their hurling now either. Be interesting to see how the other dual senior clubs like Rapps, Crossabeg, Gorey, Anne's approach the championship. And it will be interesting to see how the Mary's and Sars lads that play for the Harriers divide up their time. At the end of the day it will have to favour Oulart and probably Oylegate, maybe the Martins, and maybe Rathnure and Buffers Alley in Intermediate hurling also. Possibly Blackwater and Askmore also. While it should benefit Mary's, and maybe Adamstown and Clongeen, possibly Horeswood, if they concentrate on Football, in Intermediate football.
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Its actually the same format as in Kilkenny except we won't have the league and shield finals for the top 2 in each group, which I know alot up there see as a waste of time, especially the shield final, I think its worth a try for a year and then review and the end of the year to see if it was a success or not.
For what its worth this year placings would have ended up with the below although the different consequences of finishing certain positions might have impacted teams approaches to games, for example I think Gorey were well beat in their final group game but a guaranteed QF spot might have seen them approach it differently.
Ferns, Annes Rapps and Martins straight into the QF
Prem QF
Crossabeg v Oilgate
Gorey v Shels
Relegation SF/ Prem QF
Oulart v Glynn
Harriers v Rathnure
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Replying To wexfordwin: "I do think teams that start well will aim to be in top two as if 1st gets to play the winners of 5 v 6 after a week break that is a big advantage. Let`s say for example Oulart beat Crossabeg in a 5 v6 and have to play Gorey the following week you would think Gorey would be massive favourities. It is tough on the losers of 3 v 4. If someone had time to map out last years top 6 and how it would have run it would be interesting!" Have looked up the tables for Senior Hurling from last year.
Group A finished in this order: St. Anne's, St. Martin's, Naomh Eanna, Oylegate/Glenbrien, Harriers, Glynn/Barntown.
Group B finished in this order: Ferns, Rapps, Crossabeg/Ballymurn, Shels, Oulart/The Ballagh, Rathnure.
So, prelim. q/finals for 3rd/4th place teams would have been:
Naomh Eanna v Shels
Oylegate/Glenbrien v Crossabeg/Ballymurn
Winners of these matches would have played either St. Martin's or Rapps in q/finals.
Prelim. q/finals for 5th/6th place teams would have been:
Faythe Harriers v Rathnure
Glynn/Barntown v Oulart/The Ballagh
Winners of these matches would have played St. Anne's or Ferns. Losers would have contested relegation final.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2256 - 19/01/2024 15:20:17
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Firstly I am a hurling man - no interest in football and never have but we as a county in my opinion have swayed even more towards hurling after last nights meeting
- The split season though not ideal allowed for more concentration on either sport. This suited a lot of football clubs who have started to concentrate more on. Back to the 2/3 week block means yes they will play football but you can bet they will also be concentrating on hurling during the 2/3 weeks they are off. This won't do anything to help Football
- The clubs that played football just because of the split season possibly no longer will .. Oulart & Rathnure jump straight to mind. I am sure there are more. I know of one particular dual senior club that have 80% / 20% on their training this year with 80% been hurling
- The HAC were there in full force with their proposal. There was zero motions from the FAC - They have two separate committees where one is Club and one is County related. The Chairman was even critical for the lack of work they are currently doing
- No club really questioned the option to move from the split season or how it may affect football" Interesting that somebody else now suggests that the split season being gone could end up bad for football overall. Particularly when you consider it was mainly the "football clubs" who were against the split season in the first place.
Have posted before how I think the split season was actually good for football overall. There's no other way that every club in the county, bar maybe the hurling champions preparing for Leinster, gave football their full attention for up to eight or even more weeks in a row (depending on when they exited the hurling). And it definitely saw more effort being made in football in at least some places, like the ones you mention.
Yours is not the only club where it will now take much more of a back seat again. I'd be amazed if mine doesn't turn out the same.
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Firstly I am a hurling man - no interest in football and never have but we as a county in my opinion have swayed even more towards hurling after last nights meeting
- The split season though not ideal allowed for more concentration on either sport. This suited a lot of football clubs who have started to concentrate more on. Back to the 2/3 week block means yes they will play football but you can bet they will also be concentrating on hurling during the 2/3 weeks they are off. This won't do anything to help Football
- The clubs that played football just because of the split season possibly no longer will .. Oulart & Rathnure jump straight to mind. I am sure there are more. I know of one particular dual senior club that have 80% / 20% on their training this year with 80% been hurling
- The HAC were there in full force with their proposal. There was zero motions from the FAC - They have two separate committees where one is Club and one is County related. The Chairman was even critical for the lack of work they are currently doing
- No club really questioned the option to move from the split season or how it may affect football" I dunno if I'd agree with any of this really. 3 or 4 months will all hurling during the summer was terrible for football. The mixed season will be much better, assuming its two weeks hurling, two weeks football. Football is no different from hurling, you need to be playing and training consistently, not just picking it up for 8 weeks after most of the year hurling. With the split season there were really only two clubs who stayed concentrating on football all through the year. That'll expand now.
Split season meant yes, clubs like Rathnure and Oulart played some football, but it meant clubs like St James, Gusserane, Horeswood and all the other football clubs played less football. On balance, that's worse for football.
Who exactly is on the football committees?
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Replying To icehonesty: "I dunno if I'd agree with any of this really. 3 or 4 months will all hurling during the summer was terrible for football. The mixed season will be much better, assuming its two weeks hurling, two weeks football. Football is no different from hurling, you need to be playing and training consistently, not just picking it up for 8 weeks after most of the year hurling. With the split season there were really only two clubs who stayed concentrating on football all through the year. That'll expand now.
Split season meant yes, clubs like Rathnure and Oulart played some football, but it meant clubs like St James, Gusserane, Horeswood and all the other football clubs played less football. On balance, that's worse for football.
Who exactly is on the football committees?" Horeswood, St. James and Gusserane were rising up the hurling ladder long before the split season was introduced. All 3 are Intermediate hurling clubs now, and St James really should've beaten Cloughbawn in normal time and been Senior hurling now.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12101 - 19/01/2024 18:27:32
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Replying To icehonesty: "I dunno if I'd agree with any of this really. 3 or 4 months will all hurling during the summer was terrible for football. The mixed season will be much better, assuming its two weeks hurling, two weeks football. Football is no different from hurling, you need to be playing and training consistently, not just picking it up for 8 weeks after most of the year hurling. With the split season there were really only two clubs who stayed concentrating on football all through the year. That'll expand now.
Split season meant yes, clubs like Rathnure and Oulart played some football, but it meant clubs like St James, Gusserane, Horeswood and all the other football clubs played less football. On balance, that's worse for football.
Who exactly is on the football committees?" Seamus Hughes Kilanerin , David Murphy Rosslare and Jim Carbery Ballyhogue 3 of them. Not sure who else.
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Replying To Viking66: "Adrian Fenlon changed my mind on his proposal. We will see if it makes things better or worse. Structure changes aren't going to make any difference to our intercounty teams or club champions though. We need better adult players. So we still need to raise the standards of our coaching/players from u8 upwards." Completely agree. Perhaps the only benefit is that it may encourage clubs to throw younger lads into the championship so it could benefit the u21 age groups - allowing a greater number of downgrades based on age may have been an idea that might be worth looking at. Everyone focuses on the top levels but for me this should help keep players playing the game longer. A longer less intense summer may encourage lads to stick with playing. The longer players play, their kids get to see their dads play - which has a knock on impact on their interest in the game. I understand the why the adult championship gets a lot of attention however I wonder how many clubs take a serious look at what is being done in their schools and underage.
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As tight as the calendar is for the Wexford club championship, surely there was a better alternative to giving 5 group games to a team where they can get hammered in everyone of and still have a chance of qualifying. Seems like a complete waste of calendar space. They should have just stuck with the status quo and see how it went this year.
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Was there any mention of when the draw will take place for this year's championship
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Replying To JT22: "Was there any mention of when the draw will take place for this year's championship" Haven't heard anything but usually is around early February from memory.
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Draw is to take place in Wexford Park next Saturday night (Feb 10th), after the hurling match v Offaly.
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Went to the Cairde Loch Garman lunch in Dublin today. Fair play to all involved. Room was packed and it was really well organized. A panel of Jim Gavin, Jarlath Burns, Fergal Hynes and Eleanor Hayes were really great. Jim Gavin was top class.
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Draw made last night after the Offaly game. Whats everyone's thoughts??
Pettitt's SHC Group A: Naomh Eanna, Glynn-Barntown, Oulart-The Ballagh, St. Anne's, Crossabeg-Ballymurn, Ferns St. Aidan's.
Pettitt's SHC Group B: Oylegate-Glenbrien, Rapparees, Cloughbawn, St. Martin's, Shelmaliers, Faythe Harriers.
The Courtyard Ferns IHC Group A: Rathnure, Tara Rocks, Askamore, Fethard, HWH-Bunclody, Horeswood.
The Courtyard Ferns IHC Group B: St. James', Blackwater, Craanford, Taghmon-Camross, Buffers Alley, Gusserane
Joyces Expert Wexford IAHC Group A: Adamstown, Davidstown-Courtnacuddy, Geraldine O'Hanrahans, St. Martin's, Ballygarrett, Liam Mellows.
Joyces Expert Wexford IAHC Group B: Rathgarogue-Cushinstown, Clongeen, Shelmaliers, Monageer-Boolavogue, St. Mary's Rosslare, Oulart-The Ballagh.
Kavanagh Meats JHC Group A: Duffry Rovers, Faythe Harriers, St. Fintan's, Shamrocks, Naomh Eanna, Ferns St. Aidan's.
Kavanagh Meats JHC Group B: St. Patrick's, Rapparees, Rathnure, Kilmore, Glynn-Barntown, Marshalstown-Castledockrell
Kavanagh Meats JAHC Group A: Ballyhogue, Monageer-Boolavogue, Cloughbawn, Blackwater, Oulart-The Ballagh, Oylegate-Glenbrien
Kavanagh Meats JAHC Group B: Our Lady's Island, Bannow-Ballymitty, Tara Rocks, St. Anne's, Craanford, Buffers Alley.
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Replying To camánouttathat: "Draw made last night after the Offaly game. Whats everyone's thoughts??
Pettitt's SHC Group A: Naomh Eanna, Glynn-Barntown, Oulart-The Ballagh, St. Anne's, Crossabeg-Ballymurn, Ferns St. Aidan's.
Pettitt's SHC Group B: Oylegate-Glenbrien, Rapparees, Cloughbawn, St. Martin's, Shelmaliers, Faythe Harriers.
The Courtyard Ferns IHC Group A: Rathnure, Tara Rocks, Askamore, Fethard, HWH-Bunclody, Horeswood.
The Courtyard Ferns IHC Group B: St. James', Blackwater, Craanford, Taghmon-Camross, Buffers Alley, Gusserane
Joyces Expert Wexford IAHC Group A: Adamstown, Davidstown-Courtnacuddy, Geraldine O'Hanrahans, St. Martin's, Ballygarrett, Liam Mellows.
Joyces Expert Wexford IAHC Group B: Rathgarogue-Cushinstown, Clongeen, Shelmaliers, Monageer-Boolavogue, St. Mary's Rosslare, Oulart-The Ballagh.
Kavanagh Meats JHC Group A: Duffry Rovers, Faythe Harriers, St. Fintan's, Shamrocks, Naomh Eanna, Ferns St. Aidan's.
Kavanagh Meats JHC Group B: St. Patrick's, Rapparees, Rathnure, Kilmore, Glynn-Barntown, Marshalstown-Castledockrell
Kavanagh Meats JAHC Group A: Ballyhogue, Monageer-Boolavogue, Cloughbawn, Blackwater, Oulart-The Ballagh, Oylegate-Glenbrien
Kavanagh Meats JAHC Group B: Our Lady's Island, Bannow-Ballymitty, Tara Rocks, St. Anne's, Craanford, Buffers Alley." Group B In the senior looks like a group of death. You'd imagine Ferns and Gorey should go close on first and second in the other group. Prob Martins and Oylegate for the first two in the other group although new men in with Shels ( Richie Power) and Harriers (Jj Doyle) and Rapps( Marty Flynn O Connor) will be interesting to see how they go. Glynn, Crossabeg and Oulart and Anne's could be a mini tournament in itself. If I was to pick a winner I think Ferns could be there or there abouts, very hard on Gorey to go back to back, think Martins will improve considerably.
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