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Replying To Ailteoir:  "The only factual part of your remarks was the no. of All Irelands you mentioned. The rest was just your opinion with no actual evidence to support it."
Is what I said wrong?

Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 48 - 13/11/2023 15:18:56    2512746

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Galway teams would generally have had a good spread of club representation though? Even from some of the lesser lights like Scappataggle, That would be my perception. Wexford too? 1996 team had a good spread?"
Mixing up your hurling clubs and steak knives there?

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3361 - 13/11/2023 15:48:01    2512765

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Replying To Low2Joe:  "Is what I said wrong?"
About the arrogance and over confidence? Yes.
Given the amount of finals we've lost, where you get those notions from I guess only you know.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 858 - 13/11/2023 16:20:52    2512780

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Replying To Ailteoir:  "About the arrogance and over confidence? Yes.
Given the amount of finals we've lost, where you get those notions from I guess only you know."
Difference of opinion I suppose. We'll agree to disagree on that one.

Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 48 - 13/11/2023 17:07:23    2512791

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Mixing up your hurling clubs and steak knives there?"
Touché!

I had thrown it in as bait for one of my more pedantic critics but he did not bite :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2420 - 13/11/2023 18:43:54    2512816

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Where did you hear that? I dont think there was ever even a notion of such a "deal". It would have been a VERY BAD deal for Galway club hurling if it was ever even contemplated.

Just look at the practicalities. Galway club final took place on 30th October iirc. (as early as it possibly could take place under the present structures) Today it's the 12 November and it's quarter final stage in the Leinster club championship and semi final stage in Munster. We would probably have had to nominate one of our BEATEN semi finalists to represent Galway in Leinster or Munster if we were to have a representative in it.

OK critics will say, run off the Galway club hurling championship quicker. First point, we have already altered the structure quite significantly to run it off in a shorter time frame. The number of "genuine" senior clubs has been reduced from 24 to 16 to facilitate the county championship being finished by the end of October. To finish it any earlier we would have to do one of 2 things: A) Reduce the number of clubs eligible to compete for the Callinan Cup from 16 to no more than 12. Or B) Reduce the number of games played in the county championship. At the moment, all of the 16 senior teams in the Galway club championship are guaranteed at least 3 championship matches. It doesnt require much brainwork to figure out that this IS in the BEST INTERESTS of Galway club hurling. Why would club players from the 80% of clubs that dont reach semi-finals /finals commit to heavy training just to play in one or at most 2 championship games.? Wouldn't they be better off switching to other sports like rugby or soccer where the ratio between training and playing meaningful games would be more balanced?

Liam Sheedy's article re the majority of clubs in Tipp not having enough meaningful games /fall off in player participation , would definitely become a reality in Galway too if we were to reduce the number of club games in Galway just for the sake of getting our champions into a Munster or Leinster championship.

Another relevant point is, we are a genuine dual county. We are not like Kilkenny where every weekend can be devoted to hurling. We have only every 2nd weekend from August to October to run off our club championship . But heaven forbid that we become like Wexford either,running off their club championships in record speed. Imo it is no way to promote the sports, or to give their club champions the best opportunity to progress at provincial / All Ireland level.

Imo the Galway club championship structure works as well as is possible for ALL hurling clubs in Galway and should not be tampered with further for the sake of squeezing our club champions into a provincial championship."
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/galway-hurling-clubs-possible-leinster-switch-will-require-congress-rule-change/42362245.html

Corner flag (Galway) - Posts: 36 - 13/11/2023 21:02:16    2512827

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Replying To Corner flag:  "https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/galway-hurling-clubs-possible-leinster-switch-will-require-congress-rule-change/42362245.html"
"It has been suggested in Leinster GAA circles that Galway clubs would be reluctant to play in the province because it would remove the direct access to All-Ireland club semi-finals that they have enjoyed as Connacht representatives."

Say no more.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2400 - 14/11/2023 16:32:42    2513018

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""It has been suggested in Leinster GAA circles that Galway clubs would be reluctant to play in the province because it would remove the direct access to All-Ireland club semi-finals that they have enjoyed as Connacht representatives."

Say no more."
I can smell mischief here. Are you trying to upset just one Hornet Family or a whole lot of them??

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4253 - 14/11/2023 17:19:25    2513035

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""It has been suggested in Leinster GAA circles that Galway clubs would be reluctant to play in the province because it would remove the direct access to All-Ireland club semi-finals that they have enjoyed as Connacht representatives."

Say no more."
I'll say 3, home town refs, gate receipt allocation and home venues. Not as critical as Palestine/Israel to find a solution either of course.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3361 - 14/11/2023 18:39:03    2513046

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Touché!

I had thrown it in as bait for one of my more pedantic critics but he did not bite :-)"
Maybe your astute critic is well aware that most of your comments re Galway are fishy anyway! ;)

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1730 - 15/11/2023 10:12:01    2513091

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Replying To baire:  "Maybe your astute critic is well aware that most of your comments re Galway are fishy anyway! ;)"
I am extremely fair to Galway, always. I am only provoked by my good friend Katser who appears to be concentrating on his beloved Premiership rather than slogging through muddy pitches at club games, like the rest of us grim souls,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2420 - 15/11/2023 10:55:11    2513106

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I am extremely fair to Galway, always. I am only provoked by my good friend Katser who appears to be concentrating on his beloved Premiership rather than slogging through muddy pitches at club games, like the rest of us grim souls,"
Best to avoid attention seekers. He has been as insulting about hurling clubs in his own county as he has been of Dublin hurling.
Ná cuir do chuid ama amú leis, níl ann ach pleidhce.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1730 - 15/11/2023 19:30:44    2513238

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Looks like the winner between Kilcormac/K and O Loughlin Gaels will win Leinster......I fancy K/K to get to the All Ireland Final.
Nice win for Ballygunner as expected in the Semi Final......reckon they will get a better test from the Clare Champions in the Munster Final!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2160 - 20/11/2023 15:52:09    2513891

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Hi all

Who does each province winners play in semi finals ?

BacksAndForwards (Wexford) - Posts: 34 - 20/11/2023 16:56:55    2513901

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Replying To BacksAndForwards:  "Hi all

Who does each province winners play in semi finals ?"
Think Tom's play the Munster winners and Leinster play Ulster this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11240 - 20/11/2023 17:30:52    2513906

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Replying To BacksAndForwards:  "Hi all

Who does each province winners play in semi finals ?"
Munster v Connacht, Leinster v Ulster

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1509 - 20/11/2023 17:46:06    2513907

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Replying To BacksAndForwards:  "Hi all

Who does each province winners play in semi finals ?"
I think it's Ulster v Leinster and Munster v Connacht in both football and hurling but I could be mistaken that the one draw covers all.

MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 90 - 20/11/2023 21:06:14    2513935

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Where did you hear that? I dont think there was ever even a notion of such a "deal". It would have been a VERY BAD deal for Galway club hurling if it was ever even contemplated.

Just look at the practicalities. Galway club final took place on 30th October iirc. (as early as it possibly could take place under the present structures) Today it's the 12 November and it's quarter final stage in the Leinster club championship and semi final stage in Munster. We would probably have had to nominate one of our BEATEN semi finalists to represent Galway in Leinster or Munster if we were to have a representative in it.

OK critics will say, run off the Galway club hurling championship quicker. First point, we have already altered the structure quite significantly to run it off in a shorter time frame. The number of "genuine" senior clubs has been reduced from 24 to 16 to facilitate the county championship being finished by the end of October. To finish it any earlier we would have to do one of 2 things: A) Reduce the number of clubs eligible to compete for the Callinan Cup from 16 to no more than 12. Or B) Reduce the number of games played in the county championship. At the moment, all of the 16 senior teams in the Galway club championship are guaranteed at least 3 championship matches. It doesnt require much brainwork to figure out that this IS in the BEST INTERESTS of Galway club hurling. Why would club players from the 80% of clubs that dont reach semi-finals /finals commit to heavy training just to play in one or at most 2 championship games.? Wouldn't they be better off switching to other sports like rugby or soccer where the ratio between training and playing meaningful games would be more balanced?

Liam Sheedy's article re the majority of clubs in Tipp not having enough meaningful games /fall off in player participation , would definitely become a reality in Galway too if we were to reduce the number of club games in Galway just for the sake of getting our champions into a Munster or Leinster championship.

Another relevant point is, we are a genuine dual county. We are not like Kilkenny where every weekend can be devoted to hurling. We have only every 2nd weekend from August to October to run off our club championship . But heaven forbid that we become like Wexford either,running off their club championships in record speed. Imo it is no way to promote the sports, or to give their club champions the best opportunity to progress at provincial / All Ireland level.

Imo the Galway club championship structure works as well as is possible for ALL hurling clubs in Galway and should not be tampered with further for the sake of squeezing our club champions into a provincial championship."
Galway are not a genuine dual county. There are areas in West and North Galway where children would not know what a hurl looks like. The county has strong teams in both codes but only very few clubs are dual.

Groundball (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 20/11/2023 22:20:13    2513942

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Replying To katser:  "Looks like the winner between Kilcormac/K and O Loughlin Gaels will win Leinster......I fancy K/K to get to the All Ireland Final.
Nice win for Ballygunner as expected in the Semi Final......reckon they will get a better test from the Clare Champions in the Munster Final!!"
Think kilcormac will beat o loughlins but wouldn't write off Nass for Leinster just yet.Ballygunner will win muster handy enough as the Tipp champs looked better overall only for the 2 sending offs.Ballygunber should win the all ireland I would think.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 217 - 21/11/2023 11:01:45    2513989

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Replying To Groundball:  "Galway are not a genuine dual county. There are areas in West and North Galway where children would not know what a hurl looks like. The county has strong teams in both codes but only very few clubs are dual."
But the point is we still need separate weekends for football and hurling as we have plenty dual players, my own club included. Not everyone plays both codes, but there are many who do, hence why our championship calendar takes longer.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1997 - 21/11/2023 11:15:40    2513991

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